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Buyer's Remorse - An open letter to the devs of H2V

Thought you'd like to see it if you haven't already.

  • 10.20.2007 8:48 AM PDT
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I still can't possibly fathom why the controller gets autoaim in Halo 2. That is the one major reason why i refuse to purchase it. I'm tired of giving concessions to people who don't know how to use a mouse.

This whole situation pisses me off. I'm freaking TIRED of the terrible ports.

  • 10.20.2007 11:22 AM PDT
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Yes, I am a hypocrite, and I'm sorry. I really do mean well, but I'm not running on all cylinders.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

Pretty good letter. A little long-winded, but maybe that's what it takes to drive the message home.

  • 10.20.2007 1:02 PM PDT
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Yes they did do a good job. The H2V community is a really good community.

  • 10.20.2007 5:45 PM PDT
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Bungie must read it...OR they will never learn..

  • 10.20.2007 11:30 PM PDT
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Yah, I've seen this before. It's also posted on halo.bungie.com. That's like the official Bungie fansite I think.

  • 10.21.2007 9:29 AM PDT

Hello! Star Wars FTW. Also, join the MAW group. Please?

Posted by: Bllasae
Yah, I've seen this before. It's also posted on halo.bungie.com. That's like the official Bungie fansite I think.


?official fansite? Those are opposing terms. The definition of fan site is that it's not official. H2Vista.net is just as official as halo.bungie.org.

Anyhow, I think it's pretty screwed up how the user is supposed to pay M$ for services supplied by by other useres. GFWL should GTFO.

[Edited on 10.21.2007 10:54 AM PDT]

  • 10.21.2007 9:46 AM PDT
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Long winded but pretty much on target.

  • 10.22.2007 6:22 AM PDT
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aka lino4

Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

It's good that he mentioned the silly performance. I HATE that I have to wait 10 minutes for a level to load on 1GB of RAM.

  • 10.22.2007 7:24 AM PDT
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Wow what is all this nonsense? The game is awesome the way it is. Anyway it's not like writing a big long letter will help. Do you think they will put anymore time and energy into the game because a few PC gamers are -blam!-ing and whining?

[Edited on 10.22.2007 10:21 PM PDT]

  • 10.22.2007 10:15 PM PDT
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Yes, I am a hypocrite, and I'm sorry. I really do mean well, but I'm not running on all cylinders.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

The game is NOT "awesome as it is". You're a rich kid with a brand new PC, so don't come here waving around your silver spoon because we don't all get our PC's from mommy and dadddy. Flamer.

  • 10.23.2007 2:52 AM PDT
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Man we in the PC community can always make posts that are more insulting...Oh wait, their not all drowned out by a mass of other insulting posts, anyways, the game is fun, thats the only reason we should play, please be better than the Xbox morons, play games because their fun, not because of sum crap graphic issue...

  • 10.23.2007 4:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: Anton P Nym
who says you have to be an ace to have fun?

Posted by: TUI_Obi_Wan
Stupid parents let their stupid children play games that are rated M when they should be playing Big Birds Spelling Adventures

Posted by: Kira Onime
Also the AR is actually good in CQB now and no longer a glorified baseball bat.

Posted by: n357
The game is NOT "awesome as it is". You're a rich kid with a brand new PC, so don't come here waving around your silver spoon because we don't all get our PC's from mommy and dadddy. Troll.


Fix'ed.

  • 10.23.2007 5:08 AM PDT

Hello! Star Wars FTW. Also, join the MAW group. Please?

Posted by: H4rry P N3ss
Do you think they will put anymore time and energy into the game because a few PC gamers are -blam!-ing and whining?


They should. You see, people who -blam!- and whine about a game tend to not buy said game, and people who listen to other people who -blam!- and whine about a game ten to learn from those people to also not buy said game. Therefore, -blam!- + whine +crappy game = decreased profits for crappy game, and money, especially a lack of, is how you get through to companies.


Also, all of the many problems with this game are not related to the fact that it take a fairly good computer to run it, problems like no rcon, gold membership bull-blam!-, inability to ip ban, and decreased functionality of the mapping tools affect everyone, regardless of the awesomeness of their computer.

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  • 10.23.2007 12:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: H4rry P N3ss
Wow what is all this nonsense? The game is awesome the way it is. Anyway it's not like writing a big long letter will help. Do you think they will put anymore time and energy into the game because a few PC gamers are -blam!-ing and whining?

Go be a rabid fanboy else where. Not our problem you can't handle the fact that your baby Jesus of a company is, in fact, a fraud.

[Edited on 10.24.2007 10:04 AM PDT]

  • 10.24.2007 10:04 AM PDT
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You know what else is an example of buyer's remorse? Your mom. OSNAPIJUSTMAEDAFUNNAY

  • 10.24.2007 1:33 PM PDT

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You know what else is an example of buyer's remorse? Your mom. OSNAPIJUSTMAEDAFUNNAY

LOL

  • 10.24.2007 1:47 PM PDT

good letter, but I highly doubt that it will change anything.

and one other thing-

OH SNAP MASTER KIM JUST WENT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 10.24.2007 4:35 PM PDT
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Microdick isn't going to invest more money in fixing a game that has only sold a few thousand copies. This changes nothing.

  • 10.24.2007 5:34 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

I definitely have buyer's remorse, no question.

That was an excellent rant, a bit unfocused, but good nonetheless. In the end all you can do is vote with your wallet.

A Ninja here said it best, H2V was a, "cynical cash grab." Bungie and M$ never had their hearts and souls into making the game great.

[Edited on 10.24.2007 6:28 PM PDT]

  • 10.24.2007 6:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: n357
The game is NOT "awesome as it is". You're a rich kid with a brand new PC, so don't come here waving around your silver spoon because we don't all get our PC's from mommy and dadddy. Flamer.


And By flamer he means's that you enjoy the company of men... while you're naked.

seriously. You've taken teh cake for the biggest idiot on these forums. I honestly can't believe anyone like you can possibly exist. How in the HELL can you think this is a good game? It blew on the xbox and it's a steaming pile of PORT on the PC. Play a good game, drop your balls, buy/build your own PC, then come back and act like you know what you're talking about.

Posted by: cHr0n0sPh3r3
Man we in the PC community can always make posts that are more insulting...Oh wait, their not all drowned out by a mass of other insulting posts, anyways, the game is fun, thats the only reason we should play, please be better than the Xbox morons, play games because their fun, not because of sum crap graphic issue...


Chrono... it's not JUST an issue. The game's buggy and won't look good on high end computers!! It crashes at random times! It's got one of the higest hardware/performance ratios in the HISTORY of PC gaming! (which is a bad thing, if you didn't catch that)
for you to say the fun outweighs it is wrong. have you played the game? it's the one with the worst (needler) and best (sword) weapons in FPS history in the same package to kill balance. It's the one with no power weapon respawns on timer so whoring is essential. It's the one with only ONE balanced weapon that is the only one the pros can play with. It's the one with button glitches and superjumps. It's the one where you finish not as the master chief, but as an elite. It's the one where the idiot fanboys that can't use a mouse get autoaim. It's the one where mouse users have fixed, slower speeds hardcoded into the game to make it easier for, once again, those with controllers. It's the one that requires a proprietary OS and for you to pay a monthly fee for marginal, accepted-as-standard features. It's the one with a simplistic and stupid map editor. It's the one that cost some people hundreds of dollars for something worth less than the 50 bucks a year you need to play it.

That's the game you're playing man. I'm sorry.

[Edited on 10.25.2007 4:11 PM PDT]

  • 10.25.2007 4:00 PM PDT

Slaying noobs since 2007.

Posted by: Ryanman7
You've taken teh cake for the biggest idiot on these forums. I honestly can't believe anyone like you can possibly exist.
I think 'ole fb has that position... Just sayin.

  • 10.25.2007 5:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: n357
The game is NOT "awesome as it is". You're a rich kid with a brand new PC, so don't come here waving around your silver spoon because we don't all get our PC's from mommy and dadddy. Flamer.


And By flamer he means's that you enjoy the company of men... while you're naked.

seriously. You've taken teh cake for the biggest idiot on these forums. I honestly can't believe anyone like you can possibly exist. How in the HELL can you think this is a good game? It blew on the xbox and it's a steaming pile of PORT on the PC. Play a good game, drop your balls, buy/build your own PC, then come back and act like you know what you're talking about.

Posted by: cHr0n0sPh3r3
Man we in the PC community can always make posts that are more insulting...Oh wait, their not all drowned out by a mass of other insulting posts, anyways, the game is fun, thats the only reason we should play, please be better than the Xbox morons, play games because their fun, not because of sum crap graphic issue...


Chrono... it's not JUST an issue. The game's buggy and won't look good on high end computers!! It crashes at random times! It's got one of the higest hardware/performance ratios in the HISTORY of PC gaming! (which is a bad thing, if you didn't catch that)
for you to say the fun outweighs it is wrong. have you played the game? it's the one with the worst (needler) and best (sword) weapons in FPS history in the same package to kill balance. It's the one with no power weapon respawns on timer so whoring is essential. It's the one with only ONE balanced weapon that is the only one the pros can play with. It's the one with button glitches and superjumps. It's the one where you finish not as the master chief, but as an elite. It's the one where the idiot fanboys that can't use a mouse get autoaim. It's the one where mouse users have fixed, slower speeds hardcoded into the game to make it easier for, once again, those with controllers. It's the one that requires a proprietary OS and for you to pay a monthly fee for marginal, accepted-as-standard features. It's the one with a simplistic and stupid map editor. It's the one that cost some people hundreds of dollars for something worth less than the 50 bucks a year you need to play it.

That's the game you're playing man. I'm sorry.


RIght, ill tell you why, i dont have a qualm with Halo 2's graphics, A) they were made in 2004, B) I understand M$ made a marketing faux pas C) The mpas dont need editing, super bounce has been removed, and frankly, aim-assist aint a problem for me cause i dont care, if there using it or not, it just makes me more satisfied to know, i just beat some noob who is using autoaim. Sure the map editor sucks, but whatd you expect from a port that was held back for three years, with absolutely NO development at all,but hey its the World we live in.

  • 10.26.2007 6:08 AM PDT
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Like I said it's not the actual GRAPHICS that are the issue. I regularly play Homeworld and I consider it one of my girlfriends. It's when the game is buggy and sucks your computer dry that it becomes an issue.

The issue with the map editor isn't really that it sucks. It's that it's the ONLY new feature on a four year old game, and it sucks to boot.

I guess you're right about the sense of pride that you get. But I don't like to have my skill limited by anything. It's why I spent two years mowing lawns to pay for my 2500$ PC. It's why I have a G5 set to my exact specifications. Getting bottlenecked by something that's your choice sucks, much less something the developers willfully and maliciously conspired to cripple your performance. I Hate it, and they had NO right to do it. It's also why i won't buy GoW.

  • 10.26.2007 2:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ryanman7
willfully and maliciously conspired to cripple your performance.


Don't you think that might be just a smidgen on the extreme side? I don't think they'd just do that for a laugh. Hired Guun just sucks. Think about it, Microsoft just passed this port off to some wannabe code monkeys who don't know jack. When they couldn't code their way out of their own feces, they hurled it at us, as though we were intruders trespassing on their console revenue! I've seen it before, case in point: MadDoc software.

Now, I'm not a Trekkie, and it is quite obvious. I still enjoy Star Trek to a degree, and some of the games have been pretty good. Just like Halo 2 it was made by one of the "big" names in the video game world. Star Trek: Legacy was developed by Bethesda for the Xbox, while the PC version was developed by MadDoc with Bethesda as the producer. Now, I've played a lot of games, and I've played a lot buggy games, but this one by far took the cake. The multiplayer didn't work out of the box. Yeah. Three months for a patch just to fix the multiplayer. There was so much wrong with this game that even the hardcore gamer Trekkies gave up on it. I think the game I payed $50 for is still around here somewhere... yup, my coaster.

Many ports end up this way, and only the ones that are developed simultaneously with their Xbox counterparts have the best quality.

  • 10.26.2007 5:12 PM PDT

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