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Subject: Rules are not being enforced hard enough.
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Posted by: Toothpick
You mods are not nearly as merciless as the legendary Shishka.. :P


Correct. The only moderator to have ever banned me.

Well, except Ghandi. But that was an "accident". Just like it was an "accident" when he banned Shishka himself a few hours later. :P ♥.

  • 10.22.2007 7:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: elmicker
Personally, i'd like to see the end of people simply being granted moderator status on their public, well-known accounts and instead be granted an alternate sekrit account with moderator powers. It's been mentioned in this thread that moderators certainly don't post as much as they'd like, due to their words being taken as those of a god. It allows them to carry on with their normal forum lives and still do their job as moderators. Also prevents ridiculous dramas when a moderator does something wrong or when a moderator quits, or hell, when a moderator does anything moderately out of the ordninary.

However, i'd imagine there's loads of problems with this that it's too late for me to be arsed to think of.


I like this idea best so far. I guess thats only one bit, but thats my two bits.

  • 10.22.2007 8:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: elmicker
Personally, i'd like to see the end of people simply being granted moderator status on their public, well-known accounts and instead be granted an alternate sekrit account with moderator powers. It's been mentioned in this thread that moderators certainly don't post as much as they'd like, due to their words being taken as those of a god. It allows them to carry on with their normal forum lives and still do their job as moderators. Also prevents ridiculous dramas when a moderator does something wrong or when a moderator quits, or hell, when a moderator does anything moderately out of the ordninary.

However, i'd imagine there's loads of problems with this that it's too late for me to be arsed to think of.

One of which is, it's tough enough to stay active on just one account. Plus there'd be far too much leakage of "sekret ydentiees", and there'd be the added paranoia for new folks here ("They're hiding among us...") unless I miss my guess.

-- Steve must admit that the self-consciousness of being a moderator is a bit of a drag, but thinks it's far better to be open and above-board about it than trying to hide it.

  • 10.22.2007 8:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: elmicker
Personally, i'd like to see the end of people simply being granted moderator status on their public, well-known accounts and instead be granted an alternate sekrit account with moderator powers. It's been mentioned in this thread that moderators certainly don't post as much as they'd like, due to their words being taken as those of a god. It allows them to carry on with their normal forum lives and still do their job as moderators. Also prevents ridiculous dramas when a moderator does something wrong or when a moderator quits, or hell, when a moderator does anything moderately out of the ordninary.

However, i'd imagine there's loads of problems with this that it's too late for me to be arsed to think of.


I like this idea best so far. I guess thats only one bit, but thats my two bits.
I disagree. It would be extremely hard to keep up with two accounts. Besides, what would be the point? The moment they are on their alternate account they'll see something, have to sign out, then sign back in with a different email address, then go back to where they saw the badness. Too much time is wasted, and I'd doubt any of the mods would actually want it.

  • 10.22.2007 8:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Duardo
I like this idea best so far. I guess thats only one bit, but thats my two bits.[/quote]I disagree. It would be extremely hard to keep up with two accounts. Besides, what would be the point? The moment they are on their alternate account they'll see something, have to sign out, then sign back in with a different email address, then go back to where they saw the badness. Too much time is wasted, and I'd doubt any of the mods would actually want it.


I guess your right, Duardo. Now we're back to square one.

I can't think of anything that might help, besides a report thread option. I see at least 15 people bypassing filters and spamming on the half hour or so I'm here each day. We tell the people that they're breaking the rules, but they know it themselves, and don't stop. And pming the moderater, it can take a long time for them to get around to read your message and find the aubser.

Maybe we could have a thread specifically made so we can post links to the thread, users name and offense? The ninjas could see what was happening a lot quicker than strolling through 300 Pms.

  • 10.22.2007 10:04 PM PDT
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"It's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me."

I was just thinking...

I can see the purpose of a 'Report Thread button,' but I think it would be abused tremendously. Say someone is having a bad day, and it's got even worse when that person created a thread and everyone flamed him to high end about it. He wants revenge. Not just on those people, but on the entire community. So he reports every thread he sees. Wouldn't that be just as bad and looking through 300 PMs? I can see this 'button' becoming spam. That's me though.

I propose this: instead of making more moderators, why not create a new 'group'. They could be something like 'mini-mods' or whatever. Basically, these members are extremely trustworthy (hard to find, I'm sure). They will have some of the moderators abilities, but not as much. They also will have the ability to have a 'report thread button' and a 'report member button.' When a moderator sees these certain threads/members marked, they will know it was from a 'mini-mod,' and should deal with it accordingly. There would be about 20+ of these 'mini-mods.' This way, the moderators won't have to work as hard.

Stupid idea, I know, but an idea nonetheless.

  • 10.22.2007 10:51 PM PDT
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The mini-mod idea has been previously suggested. We figured if that we were going to give someone power, then why not give them all the power, same as a mod. It doesn't seem like a bad idea, but there's just no point in having those people gain half-powers or whatever.

  • 10.22.2007 10:56 PM PDT
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Well lately ive started to get really fed up with a lot of members. Im far from being a saint and might contribute to spam every now and then but i would never come online just to make other people feel bad through a behavior that I doubt, or atleast hope, that theyre not bringing into real life. As a non-mod i cant do anything about it and I, along with many other members, dont want to be the forum cop that spams the mods with links to threads with violations.

I still believe that the mods should comment more before banning and locking threads. The violations are usually obvious but a "this is where it ends and unless someone wants to join this user in ban heaven i suggest that you knock it off NOW could help. The mods are too anonymous when theyre just working in the dark and its like some members arent realizing that theyre really here. Im aware that this is time-consuming and taking time from checking other threads but something has to be done.

I honestly dont know what to do about the halo 3 forum though. Theres simply too many users. A way of atleast making it readable would be dividing it into sub-forums but seeing how it is in the current halo 3 forum and how many of them already are posting in the wrong forums all the time i doubt that it would work. Its a freaking kindergarten in there and as far as I know the mods arent trained in nursing and childcare. The repetive threads is an issue signed the collective, and probably the worst part of the halo 3 forum, but we should atleast demand that the members are checking the first and second page. It totally ruins the forum and would be a violation well worth a long blacklist if i was in charge.

[Edited on 10.22.2007 11:17 PM PDT]

  • 10.22.2007 11:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: Batzter
Well lately ive started to get really fed up with a lot of members. Im far from being a saint and might contribute to spam every now and then but i would never come online just to make other people feel bad through a behavior that I doubt, or atleast hope, that theyre not bringing into real life. As a non-mod i cant do anything about it and I, along with many other members, dont want to be the forum cop that spams the mods with links to threads with violations.
My understanding is that most mods prefer this way and actually like it when threads are reported to them via PM or MSN.

I usually put a little disclaimer in my message that says, "Hey if you're not busy, here's a thread to lock." I think "Forum cops" are the people who publicly call out other users in threads on rule violations. Take it to PMs and inform them of the rules, or report it to a moderator.

  • 10.22.2007 11:57 PM PDT

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My understanding is that most mods prefer this way and actually like it when threads are reported to them via PM or MSN.

I usually put a little disclaimer in my message that says, "Hey if you're not busy, here's a thread to lock." I think "Forum cops" are the people who publicly call out other users in threads on rule violations. Take it to PMs and inform them of the rules, or report it to a moderator.


I'm a forum cop.

*ba dum bum psh!*

In all seriousness, if I see something that overtly violates the forum rules, I will go out of my way to report it to a moderator. I think they appreciate the help so long as you're not sending them 30+ messages about rule violations every hour. It helps cut down on the spam, and it makes their jobs just a little easier.

  • 10.23.2007 12:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: th3m4dblimp3r
so long as you're not sending them 30+ messages about rule violations every hour.


*Cough*Evilcam*Cough*

I agree though, we do appreciate people PMing us as opposed to posting in the thread and saying "this should be locked." If people take the time to respond, they should just do the same amount of clicking and link a mod.

  • 10.23.2007 1:00 AM PDT

Is there a reliable way to know who's online? How do we know who to PM?

Sucks being new. Ish.

Edit: Thanks!

[Edited on 10.23.2007 9:14 AM PDT]

  • 10.23.2007 1:27 AM PDT

Read the mod finder thread posted at the top of the community forum page. Just follow the link inside, it tells you the last time a mod posted so you know when they are probably online. If you don't want to look there every time you have something to report, just add it to your favorites.

  • 10.23.2007 1:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: Duardo
I was just thinking...

I can see the purpose of a 'Report Thread button,' but I think it would be abused tremendously. Say someone is having a bad day, and it's got even worse when that person created a thread and everyone flamed him to high end about it. He wants revenge. Not just on those people, but on the entire community. So he reports every thread he sees. Wouldn't that be just as bad and looking through 300 PMs? I can see this 'button' becoming spam. That's me though.

I propose this: instead of making more moderators, why not create a new 'group'. They could be something like 'mini-mods' or whatever. Basically, these members are extremely trustworthy (hard to find, I'm sure). They will have some of the moderators abilities, but not as much. They also will have the ability to have a 'report thread button' and a 'report member button.' When a moderator sees these certain threads/members marked, they will know it was from a 'mini-mod,' and should deal with it accordingly. There would be about 20+ of these 'mini-mods.' This way, the moderators won't have to work as hard.

Stupid idea, I know, but an idea nonetheless.
The idea of a mini mod is a good one. These could be more like forum cops and all they do is flag topics they have problems with. However, the problem is that still doesn't help because all they would do is flag the thread. The thread would still be open, nothing done to the thread's creator.

  • 10.23.2007 3:13 AM PDT
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Alright then, as an alternative to the use of alternate accounts, how about simply turning off the coloured text of the moderators, and turning it back on when they actually moderate something?

For example, all the moderator posts in this thread would be in the normal bland grey text, admittedly accompanied by the "Forum Moderator" title and a custom avatar, but not as blatantly obvious as it is now with their salmon text. Then, for example, if they lock a thread or post a warning, they can post in their shiny glowing text to make it clear that that post was made in an official capacity. I suppose my aim with these 2 suggestions has been to reintegrate moderators as community members, rather than as they are now, seperate and slightly above (maybe not in their eyes, but you only have to stroll through the h3 forum or the flood to see it). I've seen this pulled off very well in a couple of communities, but obviously none of them as large as here, so again i imagine there's some problems with it that i'm too hungry to consider right now. I'll probably post on this again after you lot have picked my idea apart (again :P).

  • 10.23.2007 8:29 AM PDT

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you just keep on trying until you run out of cake

My 2 cents:

I think the mods are doing a hard, thankless (for the most part), non-paying job, and are doing pretty well. It does seem to me that at certain times, the spammers and trolls go on a little too long, but overall they do an awesome job. An idea I had was: why not make a link in every thread that is made with a "report problem" button, that will automatically send mods a message and link them to the thread? I think that would make things a little more streamlined. Also, to any mod that can answer; when we send a PM to a mod that isn't currently logged on, does it get sent to the active mods? Just curious.

  • 10.23.2007 8:45 AM PDT

but there's no sense crying over every mistake
you just keep on trying until you run out of cake

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My 2 cents:

I think the mods are doing a hard, thankless (for the most part), non-paying job, and are doing pretty well. It does seem to me that at certain times, the spammers and trolls go on a little too long, but overall they do an awesome job. An idea I had was: why not make a link in every thread that is made with a "report problem" button, that will automatically send mods a message and link them to the thread? I think that would make things a little more streamlined. Also, to any mod that can answer; when we send a PM to a mod that isn't currently logged on, does it get sent to the active mods? Just curious.

Your proposal is an idea that (based on other discussions on these forums) has been suggested and may even be under development, evaluation, and testing.

If the alleged development of that "report thread/report member" tool goes well (and I certainly hope that it does), many of us hope to see it "when it's done".

Now, how it would look, how it could work, how it might create a "moderator work queue", or what design steps could be taken to avoid or identify abuse.... all of those things would happen internally within the Web Team's activities. Based on how I have seen previous improvements rolled out, the overall philosophy with the web devs here is to properly think it out, rather than roll it out half-assed. Even if that takes longer.

We (the members and the moderators) simply have to wait and hope....


Yeah, I figured the smart cookies would already be working on something in that vein. I really hope it works out for y'all. Thank you for the hard work you do here, god knows what it would look like with no mods here. And i'm stewing on a good momma joke right now for ya..

  • 10.23.2007 9:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: elmicker
Alright then, as an alternative to the use of alternate accounts, how about simply turning off the coloured text of the moderators, and turning it back on when they actually moderate something?

For example, all the moderator posts in this thread would be in the normal bland grey text, admittedly accompanied by the "Forum Moderator" title and a custom avatar, but not as blatantly obvious as it is now with their salmon text. Then, for example, if they lock a thread or post a warning, they can post in their shiny glowing text to make it clear that that post was made in an official capacity. I suppose my aim with these 2 suggestions has been to reintegrate moderators as community members, rather than as they are now, seperate and slightly above (maybe not in their eyes, but you only have to stroll through the h3 forum or the flood to see it). I've seen this pulled off very well in a couple of communities, but obviously none of them as large as here, so again i imagine there's some problems with it that i'm too hungry to consider right now. I'll probably post on this again after you lot have picked my idea apart (again :P).

I actually like this idea. Kinda like 343 Guilty spark is blue until he sees something wrong. This would allow moderators to post more. However, it doesn't really help prevent rule breaking. I guess that would be a plus for moderators though.

  • 10.23.2007 11:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: elmicker
Alright then, as an alternative to the use of alternate accounts, how about simply turning off the coloured text of the moderators, and turning it back on when they actually moderate something?

For example, all the moderator posts in this thread would be in the normal bland grey text, admittedly accompanied by the "Forum Moderator" title and a custom avatar, but not as blatantly obvious as it is now with their salmon text. Then, for example, if they lock a thread or post a warning, they can post in their shiny glowing text to make it clear that that post was made in an official capacity. I suppose my aim with these 2 suggestions has been to reintegrate moderators as community members, rather than as they are now, seperate and slightly above (maybe not in their eyes, but you only have to stroll through the h3 forum or the flood to see it). I've seen this pulled off very well in a couple of communities, but obviously none of them as large as here, so again i imagine there's some problems with it that i'm too hungry to consider right now. I'll probably post on this again after you lot have picked my idea apart (again :P).
I like this idea and the purpose behind it! I am the first to admit that I don't know anything about whether it is feasible or whether the moderators would want something like this, but I'm all-for anything that allows the mods to post their own thoughts and opinions more often without fear of repercussions.

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  • 10.23.2007 1:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: elmicker
Alright then, as an alternative to the use of alternate accounts, how about simply turning off the coloured text of the moderators, and turning it back on when they actually moderate something?

For example, all the moderator posts in this thread would be in the normal bland grey text, admittedly accompanied by the "Forum Moderator" title and a custom avatar, but not as blatantly obvious as it is now with their salmon text. Then, for example, if they lock a thread or post a warning, they can post in their shiny glowing text to make it clear that that post was made in an official capacity. I suppose my aim with these 2 suggestions has been to reintegrate moderators as community members, rather than as they are now, seperate and slightly above (maybe not in their eyes, but you only have to stroll through the h3 forum or the flood to see it). I've seen this pulled off very well in a couple of communities, but obviously none of them as large as here, so again i imagine there's some problems with it that i'm too hungry to consider right now. I'll probably post on this again after you lot have picked my idea apart (again :P).
I like this idea and the purpose behind it! I am the first to admit that I don't know anything about whether it is feasible or whether the moderators would want something like this, but I'm all-for anything that allows the mods to post their own thoughts and opinions more often without fear of repercussions.


One thing being a Compund Intelligence moderator (Thanks, Fo) has taught me is the annoyance of the current "lock topic" button. Moderators are forced to post normally and then lcok threads within the thread itself.

Perhaps it would be a better idea for mods to select a box within the reply page, locking a thread immediately after their post is up.

I feel this would help elmicker's idea, as the dependency of their text color would lie on the box to be checked. If checked, text shows salmon; if not, grey.

Same effect, easier implementation on the Web Team's behalf, I think.

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If the forums stay like this long enough, the penalty for breaking the rules will be me visiting your house, scooping your heart out with a spoon

But why a spoon?

  • 10.23.2007 2:38 PM PDT