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what about something like an m-60 it has a .308 caliber bullet and its belt usually holds about 100 rounds. it doesnt run out of ammo in two seconds

  • 06.05.2004 9:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: youngtusk87
Yeah that heavy machine gu nwould be cool, but i think its a lil over the top. THink abotu this, the new BR is a complete remake of the AR from Halo 1, right? and the AR has been replaced with the SMGs, only, the SMG has a smaller bullet ( 5xsomethign rather mm as opposed to the AR's 7.62x somethign rather mm). So, make a Squad auto weapon based of the AR in the first one. Give it a bigger bullet, like similar to the .30-.06, more recoil for balance sake, and a hellov a lot less accuracy. Slow reload time, say maybe one hundred rounds per box mag.


good,but have a box mag hold 250 rounds,with a fast-really fast fire rate,with each round doing med damage,with med-long range.

  • 06.05.2004 9:55 PM PDT
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sound like a mini gun/gatlin gun

  • 06.05.2004 9:58 PM PDT
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I'd accept that. Good Point. I was thinking more of a faster rate of fire. The M60 was a bit slow in rounds per minute, about 550. I was thinking closer to 1000 per minute when I was envisioning it in my head.

Maybe a 150 round belt and about 750 rounds per minute, that would put it in line with the M249. And also a significantly more powerful round considering the shields and armour of those it's being used against.

I'd still stick with the negatives like the reticle jitter and the cycling up time just because I wouldn't want the thing used where SMG's and Battle Rifles should be used instead.

  • 06.05.2004 10:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: DRWIlL

good,but have a box mag hold 250 rounds,with a fast-really fast fire rate,with each round doing med damage,with med-long range.


The problem with that is that its basicly the SMG but with a bigger bullet, AND bigger magazine.

[Edited on 6/5/2004 10:09:52 PM]

  • 06.05.2004 10:03 PM PDT
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Give the assault rifle some actual damage and it would be a decent support weapon. Once you think about it, 60 rounds (which doesn't seem physically possible for the clip size) and poor accuracy seem to indicate that it would be a support-type weapon. Of course, Bungie has to go about it completely backwards and give it the weakest damage-per-round of all the weapons in the game. Then again, giving it heavy damage would make it uncontested in short range (except for maybe a shotgun).
Oh well, since the assault rifle doesn't work, Draerden's idea seems to fit almost perfectly. Chainguns are pretty common in fps's, but what else could you use (and keep balanced) for that situation?

-ok, here's a novel idea for balance for non-cycle time weapons. Have a support rifle like a modified AR (or whatever you want to throw in there), but have recoil so heavy you have to crouch, or at least stand still, to make it effective. That way, if you wanted to run and gun, you'd end up shooting all around the target if they kept moving. Having to stand still would make more sense for that type of weapon (of course, most people stand still when they shoot. . . running makes it nearly impossible to shoot straight), but the only drawback would be vulnerability to sniping. Perhaps that would make help keep it balanced though. After all, you've got at least one guy pinned down (or dead if he's a moron and decides to run straight into it) with rapid mid-high damage fire.

[Edited on 6/5/2004 10:15:31 PM]

  • 06.05.2004 10:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: youngtusk87
Posted by: DRWIlL

good,but have a box mag hold 250 rounds,with a fast-really fast fire rate,with each round doing med damage,with med-long range.


The problem with that is that its a SMG but with a bigger bullet, AND bigger magazine.


I like the first idea i had.

  • 06.05.2004 10:07 PM PDT
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*grins* Well, if the Spartans weren't all in environmental armour firing cannisters of nerve gas, instantly lethal to touch or breathe, would definitely keep people under cover.... *lol* That would be- oh so- ridiculous.

  • 06.05.2004 10:08 PM PDT
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I like smoke grenades. Those would be cool.

  • 06.05.2004 10:12 PM PDT

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