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Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.

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From a purely objective point of view it doesn't seem worth putting the MC in the Marathon universe. Nothing is achieved. 99% of Halo players probably don't know what Marathon is. Chucking the MC into the midst of an old and frankly obscure franchise will just confuse the majority of... well everyone. From a purely business point of view it sounds like a bad business decision.

And Mars had nothing to do with Marathon asides providing the moon that became Marathon. According to the file names on the game disc the planet is named "Forerunner Planet" or something to that effect. That's the biggest clue we have so let's stick to what we know.

  • 06.06.2008 4:00 AM PDT
Subject: I have 100% Proof of where master chief is.

This is fairly convincing but if marathon is the future and halo is the present, shouldn't that imply that the next game series will take place in teh past, Forerunner status..?

  • 06.06.2008 4:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dibhousai
This is fairly convincing but if marathon is the future and halo is the present, shouldn't that imply that the next game series will take place in teh past, Forerunner status..?


Thats a point I never thought of!
We now nothing about the Forerunners. ( Practicly )
After Marathon, they made a game before that time period.
So if there is another project going on, it could be way before the A.D Era.
It could be another series, or maybe a Forerunner game :O

  • 06.06.2008 4:24 AM PDT
Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.
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Posted by: phearmaker
It seems that some people are not understanding why you see a nebula in the legendary ending.
MIKEFLOUNDERS said it best.
Posted by: MIKEFLOUNDERS
Small Magellanic Cloud is 200,000 light years away from our galaxy ,our galaxy is 100,000 light years across so the radius is 50,000 light years so 2.5 galactic radius would be 150,000 light years to where chief is and 50.000 light years the the small magellanic cloud in the back ground so he is prity much still in our universe and in marathon you tack off from earth in the marathon as a secruity guard....


Halo 3 takes place 200 YEARS before marathon, When master chief's part of the ship slips into the marathon universe, It is still the same exact year he was just in. He floats in space for 200 years until you see the colonized mars appear, And then get eclipsed by the sun eclipsing luna in the background.
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btw,
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At the beginning of the legendary ending, Right where Cortana is awaking the chief from his little nap, You see a small object that looks just like the security com device that the security bots in marathon had.

It also shows in the halo 3 permutation.
Take a look - Picture proof.
Side view / back view of the security helmet permutation ( adds the communication box )
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a298/Jspgameboy/securitycom side.jpg
And now the beginning of the legendary cutscene... You can clearly see the Com box floating with the cheif
http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a298/Jspgameboy/?action=vie w&current=Securitycom.jpg


And if you have a counter-theory, Then please support yourself with any type of source available, Pictures, Interviews, Anything except of rumors, Or what is widely believed without proof.
If you don't, You will be insulted. =]



As the frigate escaped through the portal, Cortana states that the portal collapsed just as they were going through.

Which means the other half that the arbiter was in, made it completely through.

It is my theory ( 100% positive in my head ) , That when the portal collapsed, It did so on the master chiefs side of the ship, Sending them into another universe. The arbiter is in the halo universe, In the same time, But chief + cortana are in the marathon universe.
You can also see a resemblance between the planet in the cut scene, and the planet image "Infestation" That was involved in part of IRIS.
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/9011/infestationsm1.jpg
This image was from server 2.

Look at the legendary cut scene, Look where the light originates from, Then look at that picture.
You are looking at an early mars, From the game marathon, With the sun eclipsing Luna, Which creates the big flash of light.

Do you want absolute proof that this is mars?
http://www.astro.su.se/~magnusg/SIRCA

THESE ARE THE SAME EXACT THERMAL IMAGES OF MARS THAT ARE IN THE INFESTATION PICTURE.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a298/Jspgameboy/UPDATEDDIAG RAM.jpg

KEEP IN MIND, THESE ARE FROM A TRUSTED GERMAN OBSERVATION SITE.
THESE ARE THE EXACT IMAGES.
BUNGIE WANTED US TO KNOW IT WAS MARS.
BECAUSE HALO RELAPSES INTO MARATHON!!!!!!!!



Some people think that MB sent master chief back into time, This is NOT possible, Why? In the last cutscene, Lord hood says " Its hard to believe he's dead ".
If MC would have in fact been sent back in time by Mendicant Bias, I am fairly sure that Master chief would have stopped the flood earlier, Which would mean that lord hood and arbiter would not have even been involved in an alliance.


The next game that bungie puts out will take place in this universe, They ended the story ark with the flood, And now they will make a game that involves the marathon story ark.

Another thing, Cortana and chief do not know that they are in an alternate universe, They think that somebody will find them. But think about this, Being since the arbiter escaped through the portal completely, He must be in the same exact place as the chief, BUT IN THE HALO UNIVERSE. WHICH IS WHY EVERYONE BELIEVES THE MASTER CHIEF IS DEAD. THEY BELIEVE THAT HIS SIDE OF THE SHIP WAS DESTROYED, BUT IN FACT IT IS IN THE MARATHON UNIVERSE.

This has renewed my faith in bungie writers, Well played.

And to people that say this theory isnt possible because of the different universe thing, in the game Marathon Infinity, the main character can travel between universes and dimensions.

Trogdor404 said it best: ( I did not quote because one of my older threads got locked for quoting too many people )

1. Marathon takes place on a ship called marathon, but the ship is actually a hollowed out moon of Mars
^^^^^^^^^^^
I never put that in bold, wtf?
2. The Iris and the Mars photos are exact, meaning Bungie meant for Mars to be somewhere in the game, and look at the iris pictures, everything lines up with the legendary pictures.

Also more supporting evidence:
Posted by: cornage
Okay, To get this thread started, this is another one of those "Post your theories" threads, but I think this one goes deep. I wondered about IRIS and what it meant after Halo 3, so I watched the server videos, got most of the IRIS info. to be "as stocked up on my halo 3 ending skills" as possible... but I still didn't get it... I was stumped. I decided to go through the last server video one more time, because I thought it was the most revealing of them all. IT WAS. I was watching the last video, but slowing it down a couple of notches... I think I found some serious reference to the future of the series. Marathon is the answer. Now Don't leave, I know how many of you hate the idea of "The Marathon theory" and how bungie would never do that... but this info. seems to push it with bungie and their "marathon references" for fans. I Don't even like the idea that much, but this has me teetering on the fence about the future of the series:

As I was watching the last server video from the IRIS (ARG) and these are extremely fast frames, but I think that I caught a picture of a Phfor enforcer and a Compiler (Marathon 2). I'm serious, it changing my whole outlook on the future of the series, and I suggest you all review those videos of IRIS.

When viewing, the MARATHON CONCEPT ART is on left, while the IRIS PHOTO is on the right.

Compiler: Click Here

And the Enforcer:Click Here

The compiler is slightly viewed from and angle, looks as if it is sitting on a throne, and the enforcer is getting disentigrated from his right, facing us.

The enforcer photo may have something to do with the Forerunner/ Flood war, as it is right after the frame where " but If we fail (if the forerunner fail to save the earth)". Post what you think.







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  • 06.06.2008 4:39 AM PDT
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there are very good points for both sides of the topic. i have never played marathon there for i cannot comment on the game but i have read much about the game as my brain will let me.
i have read the first 4 halo book so i know alittle about them.

i have came to conlusion and some people have stated some things i'm about to say.

they are 2 diffrent universe marathon and halo

there cannot be a slip between to universe the only thing that can go wrong is ending up inside a moon or planet not into another universe but ripping a whole in time is possable.

dude to the portal closing on mc gave him a random exit out of the portal just like in halo 1 at the begining where cortana made a blind jump from reach and ended up at halo 1.
i feel that this is fate that they found this "planet" as you y call it. i belive it to be forerunner.

it maybe onyx it maybe not who knows what bungie have installed for us.

there is 1 other spartan than master cheif if you read the forth book ghost of onyx docotor halsey took a spartan and the secound round of new spartens (spartan III's)with her and found onyx.

if you read the fist few pages of the ghost of onyx the spartan-III's landed on a planet that had the same type of sun that is in the legendary cut screen. on this planet was a covenant factory city, MC might just land smack-bang in the middle of what left of the covenant trying to rebuild.

who knows what will happen we will just have to wait.

please no flaming just let me know what you think, i tryed my best i'm not good and putting my thoughts into words you can ask my english teacher that LOL

also bungie keep up the good work and looking forward to what the future may hold

  • 06.06.2008 4:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: azz22a
there are very good points for both sides of the topic. i have never played marathon there for i cannot comment on the game but i have read much about the game as my brain will let me.
i have read the first 4 halo book so i know alittle about them.

i have came to conlusion and some people have stated some things i'm about to say.

they are 2 diffrent universe marathon and halo

there cannot be a slip between to universe the only thing that can go wrong is ending up inside a moon or planet not into another universe but ripping a whole in time is possable.

dude to the portal closing on mc gave him a random exit out of the portal just like in halo 1 at the begining where cortana made a blind jump from reach and ended up at halo 1.
i feel that this is fate that they found this "planet" as you y call it. i belive it to be forerunner.

it maybe onyx it maybe not who knows what bungie have installed for us.

there is 1 other spartan than master cheif if you read the forth book ghost of onyx docotor halsey took a spartan and the secound round of new spartens (spartan III's)with her and found onyx.

if you read the fist few pages of the ghost of onyx the spartan-III's landed on a planet that had the same type of sun that is in the legendary cut screen. on this planet was a covenant factory city, MC might just land smack-bang in the middle of what left of the covenant trying to rebuild.

who knows what will happen we will just have to wait.

please no flaming just let me know what you think, i tryed my best i'm not good and putting my thoughts into words you can ask my english teacher that LOL

also bungie keep up the good work and looking forward to what the future may hold

you forgot about Fred, Linda, and the other SPARTAN IIs' that arrived on Onyx after dr. Hasleys message was piggybacked on Cortanas'.

  • 06.06.2008 11:57 AM PDT
Subject: I have 100% Proof of where master chief is.

Wanna prove it?
Posted by: mikexvx
nice try, but you are wrong.

  • 06.06.2008 9:31 PM PDT
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your right thanks for the correction i went back and had a look. its been awhile since i read the books.

  • 06.07.2008 5:14 AM PDT
Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.

I think i've cracked it! That thing he floats past at the end of halo 3... It's Red Dwarf! So this means that master chief spent just under three-million years floating through space and is about to experience the most bizarre series cross-over in the history of the universe. Proove me wrong!!!!!!!!

  • 06.07.2008 5:36 AM PDT
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Give this guy a medal.

This theory clears alot of questions, and creates more.
Maybe marathon is somewhere out there....

  • 06.07.2008 5:40 AM PDT
Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.

You said that master chief went to an alternate universe right?

So what IF master chief was actually half way across the galxacy (cause the portal cut half the ship in to 2) since the portal seperated the ships

{for example} while in the portal its like a train goining at top speed and it breaks in half the other half of the train may have made it to the station but the other half may be left behind and stopped and deserted in the middle of no where...

what i am saying is that the chief maybe left behind and he has stopped in the middle of the portal route so he may not be in an alternate universe just cut off in the middle of the route

  • 06.07.2008 7:36 AM PDT

Answer: a Forerunner --Shield World-- megastructure.

It could hold the infamous Forerunner AI, 032 Mendicant Bias, who was convinced by the Gravemind to abandon his structure. But 032MB may have been destroyed along with the ark, Mendicant Bias's appearance may look like the hologram in the halo 3 multiplayer map, Epitath.

May take place in the marathon unerverse but it is Highly unlikely. The MJOLNIR Powered Assult Armor can only withstain 15 minutes in the vacume of space (stated in the halo book, Fall of Reach.) If MC did survive it would be because of his Luck or his Cryo-tube.


Oh and I found a 7# reference in The Fall of Reach about cortana:

Pg#235 paragraph#7
Like all the other smart AIs that Dr. Halsey had worked with over the years, Cortana would effectively "die" after an operational life of seven years.
Oh and anyway Cortana was unique and can't "die" like other smart AI's b/c she was unique and if her advanced matrix was created by bursts of electricity threw the neural pathways of a (dead) human brain, she was unique because she used the best mind available, Dr. Halsey cloned her brain to use for Cortana. <That was stated in the following paragraphs.

(my source is from http://halo.wikia.com and The Fall of Reach by Eric Nylund)

[Edited on 06.07.2008 8:53 AM PDT]

  • 06.07.2008 8:23 AM PDT

If this theory is correct do you think the forerunners knew about alternate universes or had the technology to travel to them? - that would explain why they've completely vanished from the galaxy. Maybe after the war with the flood they returned all the races back to their respective home worlds and then just up 'n left the universe 8|

  • 06.08.2008 3:13 PM PDT
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i like the theory of MC being in marathon.he has proof and i think it is full proof.i appauled u and your theory.

  • 06.08.2008 11:28 PM PDT
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Halo RULEZ!!!!!!

please look here y i am right and u are wrong

LEARN ALL POSIBLILITIES BEFORE YOU MAKE FACTLY THEROIES

Answer: a Forerunner --Shield World-- megastructure.

Above is the real answer. I have seen it (Mind if i quote u in ma thread?)

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  • 06.09.2008 4:25 AM PDT
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Very, very good theory, you used science = commonsense, a hard thing to find thease days.

  • 06.09.2008 6:48 AM PDT
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Halo RULEZ!!!!!!

ever since i saw wat the plaet really looked like i said "nope this theroy is false"

Reasons:

1. Bungie never lies. If they said that Master Chief is not in the Marathon Universe, He's not.
2. To travel between parallel universes is close to impossible. The power needed is way more than just a simple teleportal. It would require a MASSIVE amount of energy. I'm talking like the energy of the universe itself to even establish this possibility.
3. The markings on the planet are most defenitally Forruner

My theroy but a few questions to go with them

Questions:
What was the year when Onyx blew up?
What was the year when the war was over?

Theroy:
Master Chief arivved at Onyx before it blew up

Reasoning:
A Spartan - III (3) team found Onyx, Master Chief was part of the Spartan - II (2) team although I forget what age Master Chief was when he graduated out of training (Mendaz went to trainthe Spartan - IIIs). Also Shield Worlds such as Onyx can only be acessed when any of the Halos are activated.

  • 06.10.2008 4:35 AM PDT
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I doubt Bungie would bother to put that stuff in the game with a purpose. Its probably just a last minute backround picture. And what is this marathon stuff and why is it so important?!??!?!

  • 06.10.2008 5:32 PM PDT
Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.

Salvation comes in the form of DEATH!!!!

I've believed it was Marathon ever since I saw it, and my opinion isnt about to change from someone who says "Get over it, Marathon and Halo aren't part of the same time"

And Im like Shut up Fool!!!

  • 06.10.2008 8:31 PM PDT
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Wow.... just wow... I never saw it that way but you make some very good points.

  • 06.10.2008 8:34 PM PDT
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Too many words. I believe you =D

  • 06.11.2008 6:46 AM PDT

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I believe that the Forerunners built many shield words like Onxy that lead to the same Dyson Sphere. The surface area of the sphere itself could house trillions of people, so they would be enough space for the entire Forerunner population, and they wouldnt have to build more than one.

Since Forerunner aesthetic design differs for every installation that we have seen; Aztec Ruins, Steel, ect, the planetoid the Chief is falling towards could very well be just another shield world, but constucted in a different design.

Also the Ark is beyond the galactic rim, so the portal could have left the Chief anywhere. There are great tracts of space that the Humans and the Covenant have not explored, so there is the possiblity that more shield worlds remain.

  • 06.11.2008 7:03 AM PDT
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Nice.

  • 06.11.2008 7:20 AM PDT
Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.

I do have one counterpoint to your theory.

SPOILERS OF MARATHON AHEAD:

In Marathon 1, Durandal (the rampant AI for those that are not familiar), called the Pfhor to the Marathon so he could acquire their technology, namely their FTL (faster than light) drive. The FTL drive was essential for Durandal's obsession with immortality, so he could escape the eventual collapse of the universe. Durandal earlier calculated the end of the universe, which was an insanely long way off, but he still wished to evade it. Halo indeed took place about 200 years earlier, but faster than light travel was already discovered. This would make it so Durandal would not have to have called the Pfhor for their technology, and the whole Marathon incident would never have happened. In addition, I don't remember off the top of my head what version of the MJOLNIR (spelling?) armor is in Marathon, but it's an earlier version of Master Chief's Mark V and VI armor.

  • 06.11.2008 7:30 AM PDT

I think it's a sheild world (which would start a completly new story arc). Cortana said she is the sword and the sheild. According to the forerunners, the sword would be the Halo, and the sheild would be the forerunner worlds (Onyx is one of them). Remember Cortana spent hours in Instalation 4's data base and possibly got enough information to make her find a way to get to the sheild world. When ship was cut in half and Cortand and Cheif were in the ship, she might've minipulated the gravity of some close planets and moons to make it's way into the sheild world's gravitational pull as you see in the final ending.

That's just a small theory of mine.

  • 06.12.2008 9:53 PM PDT