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This makes absolutely perfect sense. seeing that bungie WILL NOT create a Halo 4, the next game will most likely be marathon. it better be good.

  • 07.15.2008 7:36 PM PDT
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wow man that is a great theory but i have a different one. I don't think bungie would connect to games together. Now i don't know anything about the marathon syeries except what u Stated.
However my theory is supported from halo books and halo 3 terminals.

My theory is that the circular object u see in the end is onyx . That is the place where the forerunners hid from the flood when they actvated halo. also i don't know if anybody knows this but the mc is forerunner and was clearly stated by the monitor. Quote You r forerunner Unquote the monitor said this rite before the mc killed him if u don't think i am correct go back in the game for reference. also the monitor states the mc's parents built the arc and the halos. In one of the books i read the mc was taken from his parents who r forerunner and he was replaced with a clone so his parents wouldn't notice. Forerunners r spartans and the only difference bewteen a spartan and a human is spartans are stronger faster smarter and their bones are metal. that is why the mc can where that suite. The mc is the best spartan and that is why he is called the mc and not spartan 117. Spartan 117 is his code number not his rank his rank is mc. Also the cutscene where you see onyx that is years of drifting while the mc was a sleep in the cryotube and that is when cortana will wake him

I don't work for bungie but i am 95% sure there will be another halo not saying they will call it halo4 but ya know.

My guess is that the mc will head to the planet and the flood will some how be there and the forerunners and the mc wil have different ways of dealing wit them and there will somehow be a war either between the flood vs fore., mc, humans or hte flood will be killed rather quickly and there will bea war between the forerunners vs mc, humans, elites.

Either way u will meet the forerunners and maybe even the mc's parents.

Well that is my opinion and im almost postive bungie will create something o answer all the unanswered question. and they made a lot of money on halo 3 so commen sense would be to make another one starring mc. And finally another reason i think they will make a halo 4 is because EVERYBODY LOVES HALO!!!!!

I hope thisbrought some new thoughts to all readers.


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  • 07.15.2008 10:50 PM PDT

Makes sence to me

  • 07.16.2008 2:37 AM PDT

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wow man that is a great theory but i have a different one. I don't think bungie would connect to games together. Now i don't know anything about the marathon syeries except what u Stated.
However my theory is supported from halo books and halo 3 terminals.

My theory is that the circular object u see in the end is onyx . That is the place where the forerunners hid from the flood when they actvated halo. also i don't know if anybody knows this but the mc is forerunner and was clearly stated by the monitor. Quote You r forerunner Unquote the monitor said this rite before the mc killed him if u don't think i am correct go back in the game for reference. also the monitor states the mc's parents built the arc and the halos. In one of the books i read the mc was taken from his parents who r forerunner and he was replaced with a clone so his parents wouldn't notice. Forerunners r spartans and the only difference bewteen a spartan and a human is spartans are stronger faster smarter and their bones are metal. that is why the mc can where that suite. The mc is the best spartan and that is why he is called the mc and not spartan 117. Spartan 117 is his code number not his rank his rank is mc. Also the cutscene where you see onyx that is years of drifting while the mc was a sleep in the cryotube and that is when cortana will wake him

I don't work for bungie but i am 95% sure there will be another halo not saying they will call it halo4 but ya know.

My guess is that the mc will head to the planet and the flood will some how be there and the forerunners and the mc wil have different ways of dealing wit them and there will somehow be a war either between the flood vs fore., mc, humans or hte flood will be killed rather quickly and there will bea war between the forerunners vs mc, humans, elites.

Either way u will meet the forerunners and maybe even the mc's parents.

Well that is my opinion and im almost postive bungie will create something o answer all the unanswered question. and they made a lot of money on halo 3 so commen sense would be to make another one starring mc. And finally another reason i think they will make a halo 4 is because EVERYBODY LOVES HALO!!!!!

I hope thisbrought some new thoughts to all readers.


Theres one thing that blows your theory apart. Onyx is made up of trillions of sentinals. At the end of Ghosts of Onyx, they all split apart. The book occured during the events of Halo 2. So no, Onyx is not in the legendary ending of Halo 3.

Second of all, the chief isn't made of metal. His bones are agumented to be i believe 5 times stronger than a normal human's. They needed to do that to the MC so he could wear the suit, as a normal human would have his arm torn off if he moved the suit an inch. The MC is called MC because thats his military rank.

And what the moniter means by children means that the humans are the decendants of forunners, who lived millions of years ago. And the Foreunners don't exist (except maybe in Onyx's Dyson's sphere) because they fired the Halo rings, destroying all sentient life in the galaxy.

Please don't post theories about Halo unless you've at least played the three games' campaigns.

  • 07.16.2008 8:01 AM PDT

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Acutally the mc's rank is senior chief petty officer and knowing how jacked up people view
of the military's rank structure (its the navy's and theirs is already hard to understand) is don't say thats his rank the reason why they call him master chief is because it's easier to say then
senior chief petty officer each time and if you've read the books and play the games you'll see
that bungie won't tie the two games in and the mc is stuck where the ark is because he doesn't go through the slipspace field and they dont get blown up or die is because the halo being built isn't complete and it just explodes itself killing all the flood there and i don't care how powerful it was or is because it can't defy the laws of physics and in the darkness of space nothing not even an explosion can survive in space 1) because fire needs air 2) energy needs to act through a medium (the plasma torpedos and weapons used by the Covenant are controlled or encased in magnetic fields) and simple logic dictates that if bungie does make a game to show the rest of mc's search and rescue and what ever happend to the spartan III's and the rest of the spartans of blue team and the surviviors of onyx it will not be tied into another game because thats just plain dumb.

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okay... so if the planet in the background is mars, that makes the other planet earth (never played the Marathon trilogy so please look over any things i say that don't make sense). So that means that the Marathon universe is OUR universe right? anyway... so, (not to sound like a nerd, it's just the best referense I could find), if it's like Star Wars or something, the Halo Universe could be WAY ahead of our universe in technology, but if their universe was created or happened before thr Marathon, (or ours), then they could have arrived at the Planet Earth in the year 57 AD for all we know. So let's say they did, and they are then awakened because 1900 years later, the satellite Sputnik 1 wakes them up because the ship reads them on radar or something. That could leave doors open for a whole new series. Maybe Master "Jon" Chief will go down to the planet that is our earth, and then maybe inherit an earthling side-kick. Maybe Master Chief figures out enough of what has been said in this topic so far to know he's in another universe/dimension. We could then have a "Master Chief: RTB (ReturnToBase)" series. I know it sounds kinda corny, but you could play as the earthling/Master Chief and work with Cortana and the earthling/Master Chief to get yourself/Master Chief back home and take the earthling with you/go with MC. The earthling would have heard about space creatures and flying saucers (it's the 50's so who hadn't at that time) and would want to learn to be a Spartan like Jon. Maybe the go to a number of different Universes/Dimensions in their travels and keep trying, and since they have been gone for 1900+ years with their travels, once they return to the Halo Universe, the whole world will be different. Maybe it's been thrown into chaos. That'll be another series right there. "Master Chief: A New Beginning"

Tell me what you think of what I have come up with. Even if it is just a better name for the new series. Any ideas, or things I may have missed.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>>>>>>>>NEW SERIES?<<<<<<<<<<<<<&l t;<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ;<<


1. Master Chief: RTB (Return to Base) >>The Year 1957 AD in the Marathon Universe<<

2. Master Chief: A New Beginning >>Let's say the Year 1977 AD: MARATHON and 4423 AD HALO

  • 07.16.2008 10:52 AM PDT

... Meeh...

I have an idea, why don't we WAIT until Bungie is ready to tell us, we are probabaly way off.
Hell, it could even be a game about the Forrunner for all we know.
Could be about a dimention in the marathon universe where Master Cheif is discovered in cyrosleep in his ship by the UESC...

or,

somthing else!

  • 07.16.2008 12:55 PM PDT
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I think that there are alot of books of halo that are waiting to be retold in the form of games. Your theory is plausable and so im now on a stand still.

1) Alot of Cortana's quotes from Halo 3 are all quotes from a Halo novel before Halo: Combat Evolved.
2) In Halo 3 Master Cheif is said to be lucky, which is also said in the same Halo Novel.
3) In Halo 3, Cortana repeated lines Dr. Halsey has said before such as "You will be the protector of Earth and all her colonies." which Dr. Halsey says to the 6 year old Spartans in Halo: The Fall Of Reach.

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I have a slightly different theory.

At the opening cutscene of "The Ark" it shows the elite cruisers enter into the ark system. this happens almost instantaneously. If you read through the Halo novels (specifically first strike) you see that even slipspace travel, which is faster than light, takes time. Now in "First Strike" The Spartans find a forerunner crystal underneath the ruins of CASTLE base. This crystal actually warps space and time, which allows the master chief to arrive at Reach at the correct time to "pick it up"

“Plot the temporal irregularities (time log discrepancies) on a space-time surface. Then call up my file on the spatial distortion generated by the alien artifact (the artifact from Reach).On the displays appeared sets of nearly identical curved membranes that stretched about a central location and time: Reach and the recovery of the strange artifact. That thing not only bends space, Dr. Halsey whispered to herself, but bends time as well. That’s not possible, Cortana said. How could the artifact on Reach affect us on Halo - light years away? Don’t think of it as a physical distance, Dr. Halsey replied absentmindedly, staring at the monitors. You and John were on an event path intersecting the crystal. She moved the curves (on the monitors that deal with the alien artifact) over one another; the time and space surfaces were a perfect match. You had to be there at that place and time to recover us and remove the crystal - time and space warped to make that event occur." First strike pg. (247-248)

So if the forerunner's made this crystal that can distort time and space, which basically made the slipspace drives allow them to travel farther with the same amount of energy, and in the same amount of time. So it's quite plausible to say that the Ark's "portal" utilizes some of the same technology to transport them 2^18 Light years from the galactic center in mere seconds.

If the forerunner are using the same technology as Dr. Halsey's crystal then it's very likely that master chief's timeline was altered.

  • 07.16.2008 3:57 PM PDT
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I think he is floating toward the last forerunner occupied planet with a dwindling forerunner population. And I doubt this theory is correct because what happened to the chiefs section of the ship would not have concentrated enough energy in one area to allow him to travel into another universe, just enough to fold and/or contract space time around chiefs ship allowing to travel at a speed seemingly faster then light, although technically it impossible to MOVE faster then light, although it is possible to travel from place to place faster then light by contracting or folding spacetime around your ship, but within that contracted pocket of spacetime you would actually be moving slower then light. But really none of what I just said as anything to do with the topic at hand.

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I have an idea, why don't we WAIT until Bungie is ready to tell us, we are probabaly way off.
Hell, it could even be a game about the Forrunner for all we know.
Could be about a dimention in the marathon universe where Master Cheif is discovered in cyrosleep in his ship by the UESC...

or,

somthing else!

Why would Halo be a dimension of the marathon universe? A universe can only have one dimension, although a dimension has multiple universes. We live in a 4 dimensional universe, not in a dimension in our universe. And before you -blam!- tads say it's a 3 dimensional universe, no we don't. Theirs the 3 dimensions, and then time which IS the 4th dimension. Every event in your life takes place on a coordinate in space time. EVERY EVENT. Your friend tells you you to meet him/her. They tell you WHEN, and WHERE. You have to know not only where, but when too, everything in your life takes place at a point in space and time. Although, they do not take place in the same universe, they do take place in the same dimension. You see, a universe is a section of a dimension, not the other way around.

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Posted by: Spy Spartan 117
wow man that is a great theory but i have a different one. I don't think bungie would connect to games together. Now i don't know anything about the marathon syeries except what u Stated.
However my theory is supported from halo books and halo 3 terminals.

My theory is that the circular object u see in the end is onyx . That is the place where the forerunners hid from the flood when they actvated halo. also i don't know if anybody knows this but the mc is forerunner and was clearly stated by the monitor. Quote You r forerunner Unquote the monitor said this rite before the mc killed him if u don't think i am correct go back in the game for reference. also the monitor states the mc's parents built the arc and the halos. In one of the books i read the mc was taken from his parents who r forerunner and he was replaced with a clone so his parents wouldn't notice. Forerunners r spartans and the only difference bewteen a spartan and a human is spartans are stronger faster smarter and their bones are metal. that is why the mc can where that suite. The mc is the best spartan and that is why he is called the mc and not spartan 117. Spartan 117 is his code number not his rank his rank is mc. Also the cutscene where you see onyx that is years of drifting while the mc was a sleep in the cryotube and that is when cortana will wake him

I don't work for bungie but i am 95% sure there will be another halo not saying they will call it halo4 but ya know.

My guess is that the mc will head to the planet and the flood will some how be there and the forerunners and the mc wil have different ways of dealing wit them and there will somehow be a war either between the flood vs fore., mc, humans or hte flood will be killed rather quickly and there will bea war between the forerunners vs mc, humans, elites.

Either way u will meet the forerunners and maybe even the mc's parents.

Well that is my opinion and im almost postive bungie will create something o answer all the unanswered question. and they made a lot of money on halo 3 so commen sense would be to make another one starring mc. And finally another reason i think they will make a halo 4 is because EVERYBODY LOVES HALO!!!!!

I hope thisbrought some new thoughts to all readers.
Onyx was destroyed, and all humans are forerunner, they are 2 subspecies(most likely, as they were isolated for quite some time)of the same species. Also, MC parents presumably died when the covenant glassed their planet. Lastly, MC isn't name MC because he is the best that is because he achieved the rank "master chief petty officer" in the UNSC navy.

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The whole concept of the shaw fujikawa trans-light engine is that it rips a hole in normal space-time and puts the ship into an alternate dimension, sort of turning it into the 5th dimension. So while in slipspace you may not be traveling faster than light, if you compare the distances traveled to the time it took to get there the speed is actually faster than light. and what Dr. Halsey's crystal essentially does is enhance the slipspace dimension so it's even more efficient, sort of like a super-slipspace if you will imagine.

I mean I'm not trying to say that he's in another universe, but if you read the quote you see that the crystal really did bend his timeline not just the time around him. In layman's terms, he's still in the same galaxy, but if Dr. Halsey's crystal allowed him to alternate his timeline by simply 3 weeks, think of what the portal, an even more powerful version of the crystal could have done to "bend" his timeline when it collapsed. it is most likely that the forerunner had fail-safes to prevent this from happening during a normal transfer, but when it started to collapse on it self, it became unstable, thus Master Chief somewhere in the past/future.

And one last point, it's not stated that onyx is destroyed, just that the surface of it was blasted to bits by the trillions of sentinels guarding it, I believe it's safe to assume that the underlying forerunner structure is still intact, why would they build it simply to destroy itself and never to return to their old galaxy... you know how the old saying goes... this Dyson's sphere ain't big enough for the two of us. :D

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  • 07.16.2008 8:19 PM PDT

really good theory. that could be true, and probably is. wow now I cant wait for bungies next project! HALO MEETS MARATHON!!! I have never played marathon though. I will have to get it sometime.

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yes i belive that onyx exploded, but i think that the part of the friget that the chief was in drifted to the dyson sphere that the forerunners built. remmember when the SPARTANS-III and the surviving SPARTAN-II's left the core room of onyx and they were taken to a "different world."and i belive that the Master Cheif is going to crash land into this dyson sphere and meet up with the rest of the SPARTANS.and i also think that the ark is a dyson sphere that opened because it was re-building instalation 4(II).

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  • 07.16.2008 10:00 PM PDT

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Well this theory is pretty much wrong, in Marathon you dont ever see an antenna on your body, play the game plz, and the mars colinization was a huge failure, you obviously have never played marathon to read those terminals, the planet you see in the ending is like one large machine, do you really think mars would be covered in plating to block out sunlight,did you notice the shield world logo on it? The planet in the ending is a sheild world, and you think if cheif was in our solar system when he landed, you think someone might have detected him, considering slipspace travel is possible, right? Including the fact that cortana turned on a distress beacon when cheif went into cryo sleep, honestly the OP was pretty badly put together, let alone i dont even think it was thought out, you just threw a bunch of uncited statements and some pictures to convince the average bob who hasnt looked into the subject yet. Why is this stickied?

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The whole concept of the shaw fujikawa trans-light engine is that it rips a hole in normal space-time and puts the ship into an alternate dimension, sort of turning it into the 5th dimension. So while in slipspace you may not be traveling faster than light, if you compare the distances traveled to the time it took to get there the speed is actually faster than light. and what Dr. Halsey's crystal essentially does is enhance the slipspace dimension so it's even more efficient, sort of like a super-slipspace if you will imagine.

I mean I'm not trying to say that he's in another universe, but if you read the quote you see that the crystal really did bend his timeline not just the time around him. In layman's terms, he's still in the same galaxy, but if Dr. Halsey's crystal allowed him to alternate his timeline by simply 3 weeks, think of what the portal, an even more powerful version of the crystal could have done to "bend" his timeline when it collapsed. it is most likely that the forerunner had fail-safes to prevent this from happening during a normal transfer, but when it started to collapse on it self, it became unstable, thus Master Chief somewhere in the past/future.

And one last point, it's not stated that onyx is destroyed, just that the surface of it was blasted to bits by the trillions of sentinels guarding it, I believe it's safe to assume that the underlying forerunner structure is still intact, why would they build it simply to destroy itself and never to return to their old galaxy... you know how the old saying goes... this Dyson's sphere ain't big enough for the two of us. :D

Well, yes the underlying structure in which Dr.Halsey and the Spartan III's are hiding in is still intact, but the planet it self isn't.

  • 07.17.2008 6:09 AM PDT

yeah i think ur reading way too much in to this, here is my theory
the portal broke before master chiefs side of the ship could get through but the arbiter did.MC'sa ship is still floating in the debris of the destroyed ark, or did u forget that?

  • 07.17.2008 6:20 AM PDT
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If Master Chief's part of the ship was anywhere near the Ark when installation 4.1 was "lit" he would be dead, he had to at least make it into the portal before the ring fired to have any hope of survival.

Also, the Arbiter's half of the ship was the only half that made it out of the portal, the Master Chief's side was presumably still in the portal when it collapsed, which is what I'm basing my theory off of.

Adrenaline 360, the inside of the Dyson's Sphere only exists in slipspace, Dr. Halsey and the remaining spartans are existing in a different dimension, which is one of the reasons why the shield world's inhabitants can't be killed off by the halos. in reality it's most likely only a few meters wide, making it nearly impossible for the Master Chief to "crash land on it". Sort of like Normthecloned said, it's a point in space and time, but only in this case it also exists in the 5th dimension: slipspace, which is semi seperate from our own.

The Ark can't be a shield world, the monitor even says so,

"I had always assumed it was part of a shield installation, but it seems I was mistaken"
-343 Guilty Spark (The Ark)

the reason why it was safe from the rings firing was because it was out of range of the Halo array. The shield world's were more of a test to see if it was possible, and were made closer to the end of the Forerunner-Flood war. That's also why the Ark's core has the shield around it, just incase any flood did make it to the ark, the inhabitants in the center would be safe from contamination.

"The barrier will be difficult to disable... How odd that my Makers would place such a comprehensive defense around a single- Oh my." -343 Guilty Spark (The Ark)

of course these are all theories, there's no definite way to prove anything but hey, at least I back mine up with facts from the halo books and the halo games.





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  • 07.17.2008 6:59 AM PDT

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Texan, the firing sequence of ring 4.1 made the Halo rip itself apart, so there was only a small blast that killed off the covenant fleet. The portal was in a safe range from the blast. Just letting you know.

You know, why would the Foreunners need a Halo producing installation like the Ark? They could just build the rings themselves? And another question is why would they need to build more rings in the first place?

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What about my theory, it's not as backed up as you guys but I can't know until people comment on it.

  • 07.17.2008 11:19 AM PDT

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  • 07.17.2008 3:09 PM PDT

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Very good theory!

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  • 07.17.2008 3:14 PM PDT
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The time would be impossible, since the MC is human he would be unable to survive for 200 years even in cryo. Even if he could in cryo half of a ship wouldn't be able to have enough energy to support a "Smart" A.I and a fully active cryo unit for a full 200 years. The only way that would work is if Cortana found a way to keep it functioning that long, but since she is a "Smart" A.I her expected life span is very short, plus all the Halo data she is carrying means her life span was cut in half, so she wouldn't possibly be able to stay alive more than 10 years at the max.

  • 07.17.2008 3:25 PM PDT