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Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.
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Posted by: Noodie5

And this is wrong. A former bungie employee, after he left the company, stated matter of factly the two are related and the main characters in each are one and the same.
He also recanted that statement later.
Plus, if you look at the marathon time line, there is a huge game that is unaccounted for that strangely takes place during the sime time that halo takes place... That would be the Cryosleep Game. Heard it's very fun.

Posted by: haloiscool199519
its wrong because if it is mars and mars is in the same universe as earth and halo 3 takes place on earth then if MC did in fact land on mars then he isn't in the marathon universe he is in the halo universe aka our universe because mars and earth our in out universe and halo takes place on earth so your wrong but good try though.
I don't think "universe" means what you think it means.

@opogjijijp: Bah, I took too long trying to find that quote. Beat me to it.

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  • 07.19.2008 8:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: mikexvx
nice try, but you are wrong.


r u crazy? with all this proof how could this be wrong?

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  • 07.20.2008 7:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: ColdBoreTexan
The only place that would be safe from such a weapon would have to be either #1 so far away that it was out of range of the weapon (The Ark) or #2 a place that exists in a different dimension (Onyx)


but the ark was on Earth wasn't it so are you saying that anyone living on earth would be fine?


Actually, the thing that they found on Earth was simply a portal
to
the Ark, not the ark in itself. The sixth and seventh missions of halo 3 take place on the ark. I also advise you all to read the terminals, they're very helpful.

A single last point, I think it's clear that master cheif's half of the ship was still in the portal when it collapsed, i.e. Arbiter's half gets out, MC's half still in and the portal collapses
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  • 07.20.2008 11:01 AM PDT
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I completely agree with you but i think you are confusing the meaning of "universe" the meaning you are trying to convey is a story universe (such as a cannon) but you are confusing it with a physical universe, because if the cheif sleeps for 200 years and wakes up in the Marathon universe, then no it is not a time travel theory you are right but the cheif is alive very far from where earth is. We know this because 343 pointed out that the Ark is very far outside our galaxy. The only problem with your very solid theory is that it requires the fact that the explosion of the ark hurled the master cheif through an interdimensional rift which dosnt make sense due to the fact that it was just a very large explosion. not some thing that could blow a hole in space because it produces no gravity, only force. but your theory makes sense but what might have happened instead of your un explained transision is the master cheifs part of the ship was hurled through space by the force of the explosion and encountered the newly populated mars 200 years later, while he is still in cryo sleep. going through an interdimentional rift would be an obviously pathetice attempt at explaining a difficult tranistion. There are holes in my theory as well but the story is really Bungie's so we may influence their desicions on plot development with the occasional genius post by diehard fanboys but it is ultimately theirs.

  • 07.20.2008 11:41 AM PDT

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Veryy good theory

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  • 07.20.2008 11:54 AM PDT
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i agree with the marathon thing

  • 07.20.2008 8:26 PM PDT

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  • 07.20.2008 8:43 PM PDT
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WOW you sir are one of the very few intelegent people on bungie net, you are a credit to humanity

  • 07.20.2008 8:49 PM PDT
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My only problem with the entire thing is that the reason the MC and the Arbiter were in such a hurry to leave the Ark and its galaxy through the portal was because it was going to detonate and explode violently...aka death for our protagonist. One half...the Arbiters half...makes it through the portal to it's final destination, the Milky Way Galaxy, Earth. The other half should've been caught in the Ark's detonation...but as we all know, the Legendary Ending shows that the Chief is still in the back half, very much alive. Not making it through the portal, he would've died.
That is, if detonating a Halo-type installation actually DID wipe out the Flood.
Maybe Truth was right?

I dunno, I'm too tired to type out theories.

  • 07.20.2008 8:53 PM PDT
Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.

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Posted by: Jared Dirac
I completely agree with you but i think you are confusing the meaning of "universe" the meaning you are trying to convey is a story universe (such as a cannon) but you are confusing it with a physical universe, because if the cheif sleeps for 200 years and wakes up in the Marathon universe, then no it is not a time travel theory you are right but the cheif is alive very far from where earth is. We know this because 343 pointed out that the Ark is very far outside our galaxy. The only problem with your very solid theory is that it requires the fact that the explosion of the ark hurled the master cheif through an interdimensional rift which dosnt make sense due to the fact that it was just a very large explosion. not some thing that could blow a hole in space because it produces no gravity, only force. but your theory makes sense but what might have happened instead of your un explained transision is the master cheifs part of the ship was hurled through space by the force of the explosion and encountered the newly populated mars 200 years later, while he is still in cryo sleep. going through an interdimentional rift would be an obviously pathetice attempt at explaining a difficult tranistion. There are holes in my theory as well but the story is really Bungie's so we may influence their desicions on plot development with the occasional genius post by diehard fanboys but it is ultimately theirs.
Its called an implosion. when a sun gets old and "dies" it causes an implosion because the gravity is to much to with stand for the actual rock because it weakens over time. If some large suns can cause this, non the less a white dwarf imagine what the ark could do. Since it was such a big implosion of raw force and gravity it would almost definately cause a black hole. For very long have people thought these "black holes" could open portals to other areas of the universe but also to different dimensions. Think of all the science fiction novels and storys and say that this is not a possibility.

  • 07.20.2008 8:54 PM PDT
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I have to say that I don't support Marathon theoriesm but this one makes sense. Execpt on one point, in which all Marathon theories phail. How does the master chief's helmet change? I Mean, the helmet worn by the protagonist in Marathon and the one worn by MC is extremely different, and don't come dragging up anything about the Security Helmet. IF there has gone 200 years between Marathon and HALO, I think the humans would have evolved quite more and developed new helmet types. Especially as it, according to the description, was quite aged at the time of Halo 3.

Explain THIS!

  • 07.21.2008 3:47 AM PDT
Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.

it is not anthing to do with marathon .... when you finish legendary look at the planet itsx s shiled world . plus they make alot of refences to marathon and most bugnie games have refences.

like :ONI < In halo it is the Office of navil intelagents.
marathon: symbol: forrunner.

  • 07.21.2008 4:48 AM PDT
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>>Transmission--
C868-14/2-(032)
Commence...

>>Proposterous... I did not send you back.
>>I did not even have full control over the Portal
>>The possobilities of where you are, Reclaimer.
>>Are Endless...
>>We Do not know of your whereabouts.
>>But we have our theories. Our estimates and approximates.
>>Rest assured. Our Kin will find you Reclaimer.
[End Transmission]

  • 07.21.2008 7:17 AM PDT
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>>Transmission--
C868-14/2-(032)
Commence...

>>Proposterous... I did not send you back.
>>I did not even have full control over the Portal
>>The possobilities of where you are, Reclaimer.
>>Are Endless...
>>We Do not know of your whereabouts.
>>But we have our theories. Our estimates and approximates.
>>Rest assured. Our Kin will find you Reclaimer.
[End Transmission]


mmm....quite interesting i might say

  • 07.21.2008 7:24 AM PDT
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i read all this and im still very much CONFUSED. what is marathon....im sorry if i didnt pay attention to the story as well as most and ive never read the books so im clueless to what marathon is and what it has to do with MC and the rest of halo. so if anyone can break it down for me a lil better than just mail me what marathon and what that giant forerunner looking planet was in the halo 3 legendary ending.

  • 07.21.2008 9:33 AM PDT
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Too bad you spelled Mendicant and possibilities wrong.... moron.

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  • 07.21.2008 11:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: phearmaker
It seems to me, That the next game bungie puts out will be before marathon, Or continue marathon somehow.


It seems that some people are not understanding why you see a nebula in the legendary ending.
MIKEFLOUNDERS said it best.
Posted by: MIKEFLOUNDERS
Small Magellanic Cloud is 200,000 light years away from our galaxy ,our galaxy is 100,000 light years across so the radius is 50,000 light years so 2.5 galactic radius would be 150,000 light years to where chief is and 50.000 light years the the small magellanic cloud in the back ground so he is prity much still in our universe and in marathon you tack off from earth in the marathon as a secruity guard....


Halo 3 takes place 200 YEARS before marathon, When master chief's part of the ship slips into the marathon universe, It is still the same exact year he was just in. He floats in space for 200 years until you see the colonized mars appear, And then get eclipsed by the sun eclipsing luna in the background.
This
Is
Not
A
Time
Travel
Theory.


btw,
ONYX ASPLODED.


NEW SUPPORTING EVIDENCE
FINALLY UPDATED

At the beginning of the legendary ending, Right where Cortana is awaking the chief from his little nap, You see a small object that looks just like the security com device that the security bots in marathon had.

It also shows in the halo 3 permutation.
Take a look - Picture proof.
Side view / back view of the security helmet permutation ( adds the communication box )
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a298/Jspgameboy/securitycom side.jpg
And now the beginning of the legendary cutscene... You can clearly see the Com box floating with the cheif
http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a298/Jspgameboy/?action=vie w&current=Securitycom.jpg


And if you have a counter-theory, Then please support yourself with any type of source available, Pictures, Interviews, Anything except of rumors, Or what is widely believed without proof.
If you don't, You will be insulted. =]



As the frigate escaped through the portal, Cortana states that the portal collapsed just as they were going through.

Which means the other half that the arbiter was in, made it completely through.

It is my theory ( 100% positive in my head ) , That when the portal collapsed, It did so on the master chiefs side of the ship, Sending them into another universe. The arbiter is in the halo universe, In the same time, But chief + cortana are in the marathon universe.
You can also see a resemblance between the planet in the cut scene, and the planet image "Infestation" That was involved in part of IRIS.
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/9011/infestationsm1.jpg
This image was from server 2.

Look at the legendary cut scene, Look where the light originates from, Then look at that picture.
You are looking at an early mars, From the game marathon, With the sun eclipsing Luna, Which creates the big flash of light.

Do you want absolute proof that this is mars?
http://www.astro.su.se/~magnusg/SIRCA

THESE ARE THE SAME EXACT THERMAL IMAGES OF MARS THAT ARE IN THE INFESTATION PICTURE.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a298/Jspgameboy/UPDATEDDIAG RAM.jpg

KEEP IN MIND, THESE ARE FROM A TRUSTED GERMAN OBSERVATION SITE.
THESE ARE THE EXACT IMAGES.
BUNGIE WANTED US TO KNOW IT WAS MARS.
BECAUSE HALO RELAPSES INTO MARATHON!!!!!!!!



Some people think that MB sent master chief back into time, This is NOT possible, Why? In the last cutscene, Lord hood says " Its hard to believe he's dead ".
If MC would have in fact been sent back in time by Mendicant Bias, I am fairly sure that Master chief would have stopped the flood earlier, Which would mean that lord hood and arbiter would not have even been involved in an alliance.


The next game that bungie puts out will take place in this universe, They ended the story ark with the flood, And now they will make a game that involves the marathon story ark.

Another thing, Cortana and chief do not know that they are in an alternate universe, They think that somebody will find them. But think about this, Being since the arbiter escaped through the portal completely, He must be in the same exact place as the chief, BUT IN THE HALO UNIVERSE. WHICH IS WHY EVERYONE BELIEVES THE MASTER CHIEF IS DEAD. THEY BELIEVE THAT HIS SIDE OF THE SHIP WAS DESTROYED, BUT IN FACT IT IS IN THE MARATHON UNIVERSE.

This has renewed my faith in bungie writers, Well played.

And to people that say this theory isnt possible because of the different universe thing, in the game Marathon Infinity, the main character can travel between universes and dimensions.

Trogdor404 said it best: ( I did not quote because one of my older threads got locked for quoting too many people )

1. Marathon takes place on a ship called marathon, but the ship is actually a hollowed out moon of Mars
^^^^^^^^^^^
I never put that in bold, wtf?
2. The Iris and the Mars photos are exact, meaning Bungie meant for Mars to be somewhere in the game, and look at the iris pictures, everything lines up with the legendary pictures.

Also more supporting evidence:
Posted by: cornage
Okay, To get this thread started, this is another one of those "Post your theories" threads, but I think this one goes deep. I wondered about IRIS and what it meant after Halo 3, so I watched the server videos, got most of the IRIS info. to be "as stocked up on my halo 3 ending skills" as possible... but I still didn't get it... I was stumped. I decided to go through the last server video one more time, because I thought it was the most revealing of them all. IT WAS. I was watching the last video, but slowing it down a couple of notches... I think I found some serious reference to the future of the series. Marathon is the answer. Now Don't leave, I know how many of you hate the idea of "The Marathon theory" and how bungie would never do that... but this info. seems to push it with bungie and their "marathon references" for fans. I Don't even like the idea that much, but this has me teetering on the fence about the future of the series:

As I was watching the last server video from the IRIS (ARG) and these are extremely fast frames, but I think that I caught a picture of a Phfor enforcer and a Compiler (Marathon 2). I'm serious, it changing my whole outlook on the future of the series, and I suggest you all review those videos of IRIS.

When viewing, the MARATHON CONCEPT ART is on left, while the IRIS PHOTO is on the right.

Compiler: Click Here

And the Enforcer:Click Here

The compiler is slightly viewed from and angle, looks as if it is sitting on a throne, and the enforcer is getting disentigrated from his right, facing us.

The enforcer photo may have something to do with the Forerunner/ Flood war, as it is right after the frame where " but If we fail (if the forerunner fail to save the earth)". Post what you think.





0.o Okay? WAY TO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 07.21.2008 1:04 PM PDT

Wow I find this incredibly hard to believe. Not that I have anything against your proof or Marathon, I mean your proff is just overwhelming. I can see that you put a lot of time and effort into this and I appreciate your work. But let's face it Master Cheif flying next to that planet could just be a coincidence. Or maybe it is just like the other Marathon stuff that is in the game. Or maybe Marathon and Halo are part of the same story.

  • 07.21.2008 3:39 PM PDT
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I find this a great amount of edidence and I personally believe that if there will be another game linked to Master Chief it's probably Marathon, I personally also found it rather interesting that they inserted 'terminals' in Halo 3 much like was part of Marathon, ofcourse the information read on these terminals have no connection to Marathon (As far as I know) but still I find it an odd coinsidence.

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I have to admit, it's pretty compelling.

  • 07.22.2008 10:32 AM PDT

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To be honest the UNSC may find John and Cortana, but they would most likely be dead for AIs as advanced as Cortana is cease to function after 7 years and the cryo tube would have run out of power so John would have died. Although he does have a nack for being lucky, but it's a story that only Bungie can tell, if they tell it at all.

  • 07.22.2008 11:08 AM PDT

in the si wallpapers, the numbers 55.6992.3840 appear over and over. these numbers relate to coordinates that point to the seven sisters nebula.

i believe this is the same nebula seen from a different perspective in the after-credit cutscene

here is the thread.

so there.
i think the chief, and also the "legendary"planet are in a system in the seven sisters nebula.



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  • 07.22.2008 11:23 AM PDT
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OK you mention the halo universe being sperate to the Marathon universe and also mention them being the same but one is 200 years after.

I like your idea of the Portal sending Chief to another universe. Quite possibly an alternate reality which is the Marathon Universe. I think this idea is plausable because Physicists theorise that there are an infinate number of alternate realities some being similar and some being completely different (they are seperated by choices/odds/pathways etc.) I'm sure you will agree that there are many similarities and differences between Halo and Marathon.

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  • 07.22.2008 11:23 AM PDT
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okay i didn't read 100% of this but this makes the theory i had look like a zit on the face of the galaxy very well thought out and very well play i never played marathon i hear its good but maybe u found somthing bungie didn't even know about <_<

  • 07.22.2008 9:35 PM PDT
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