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Posted by: Ogier
"OMG Mars is in Iris! Mars is round and there is a round thing in the legendary ending! ZOMG Mars iz in the legendary ending!!!"
This long and people are still being duped by this?
There's no proof what-so-ever in that theory, and what premises there are are easily refuted.Really? Well, not once in this entire response did you provide any kind of valid counter-argument to the theory that Mars was the planet indicated in Iris, and subsequently, Halo 3. You simply reiterated your own opinion that it could be anything else, despite the Iris picture's clear implications of being related to the Legendary Ending.
Anyway, I'm going to try and clear some things up, as well as respond as unbiased as I can to some of the things you've brought up.
btw,
ONYX ASPLODED.
Onyx did did not explode, the crust of the planet did, revealing the sentinel-constructed center. Not that I particularly support the Onyx theories, just that you're wrong.That is an argument of semantics. I don't consider a lattice of sentinels a planet. I considered its several "natural" layers of magma, earthen ground, plantlife, water, and atmosphere to be what made Onyx a "planet". Of course, the Sentinels constructed the core as they are clearly charged with protecting the micro Dyson Sphere, but what constituted the planet Onyx is now gone, and so Onyx itself is gone. There is simply a lattice of sentinels remaining. You could disagree, and I'm sure you do, but again, this is semantics, and I only stated my opinion to prove that point. He isn't wrong. Neither are you.
It is my theory ( 100% positive in my head ) , That when the portal collapsed, It did so on the master chiefs side of the ship, Sending them into another universe. The arbiter is in the halo universe, In the same time, But chief + cortana are in the marathon universe.
There is no "in-between" that transports you between dimensions if a portal collapses; you're either on one end of it, or the other end of it, but never in it (get it?). You say that the collapsing portal sent them to the Marathon universe, but how could Cortana know the exploding Halo "did a number on the Ark" if they're in a different universe? The portal simply cut off and separated the two halves of the ship like scissors cutting paper, and they drifted forward with whatever momentum they had. Remember that the Halo didn't exactly fire as much as explode, and they did not have to be transported long distances to survive.There are two things I want to address here. First, your assertion that there is no "in between" in portal travel. To begin with, portals are theoretical. To claim that a simple hypothesis in the real-world should equate to existing technology in science-fiction video games where several laws of our current universe have already been clearly broken, is ignorant. Unless you are both a theoretical physicist as well as a Bungie staff writer, you are not fit to make that kind of assessment.
Second, your assertion that they were left on the side with Halo's explosion and the Ark is wrong. Quoting Cortana from the after-credits scene:
"We made it through just as it collapsed."
Cortana is asserting that they did make it through the Portal. They also made it quite clear (at least by Cortana's calculations) that the damage Halo would do was enough to kill them if they didn't make it through the portal. Sure, she could be wrong, but that is simply a side-note in conjunction with the above quote.
If they made it through, though, why are they not with the Arbiter? Why do they think they are dead? It is confusing, because Cortana and the Chief are not where the Ark and the Halo were left, and they are also not where the Arbiter ended up. They are somewhere else. That is factual.
And to people that say this theory isnt possible because of the different universe thing, in the game Marathon Infinity, the main character can travel between universes and dimensions.
In Infinity, the player is yanked from timeline to alternate timeline by a hybrid computer (I'll call it Thothandal) looking for a way to stop the embodiment of chaos from coming out of the sun and eating the universe. Play the game instead of reading summaries secondhand. The Master Chief cannot travel between dimensions, the portal did not send him between dimensions, there is no W'rkncacnter crisis.I have not played, nor have I researched Marathon Infinity in great depth, and so I have no place to comment on this. However, I can state the obvious fact that if your provided information is correct, then it is not completely impossible that something else in the Haloverse could have caused the Master Chief to traverse inter-dimensionally. Do I personally think so? Not really. However, it is highly possible.
For example, there is great debate on Mendicant Bias' message of atonement in the last Legendary Terminal (on Halo):
Terminal 7
But I want something far different from you, Reclaimer.
Atonement.
And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe. I'm not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions.
But I would have my masters know that I have changed.
And you shall be my example. The text I bolded above is the main point of debate in whether Mendicant was referring to simply helping the Chief escape the Ark before Halo's destructive force was unreleashed, or whether Mendicant was referring to sending Master Chief's half of the ship to an undisclosed location, literally to a Forerunner world to "show his masters that he has changed". That would also require the assumption that some Forerunner still live on, which is a bit much for me to believe, but again, I'm simply trying to provide all points of the arguments here.
1. Marathon takes place on a ship called marathon, but the ship is actually a hollowed out moon of Mars
2. The Iris and the Mars photos are exact, meaning Bungie meant for Mars to be somewhere in the game, and look at the iris pictures, everything lines up with the legendary pictures.
1: Marathon was hollowed out of Deimos. So? The marathon has been gone for eighty years by the time Halo starts and the Marathon cyborg is in hibernation and on well on his way to have some fun at Tau Ceti.
2: "Mars is in Iris, Mars is round, there is a round thing in the legendary ending, zomg Mars is in the legendary ending." All planets are round. Take a guess at how many planets are in the galaxy, and you get <1% chance that that is Mars. Blue nebula next door to our solar system, show me it.Once again, regardless of what the protagonist of Marathon was doing at the time does not stop the possibility of Master Chief, potentially (and most likely) a completely separate entity from traversing into the Marathon universe (or some other). As far as the Iris/Halo 3 connection with Mars goes... the image we were given in Iris was a Mars thermal capture of its moon. The same place that the thermal readings were on the image is the same place that the light emanated from in the Legendary Ending. It was in Iris for a good reason, and a connection between the two is clear as daylight.