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do not click his link it is very vulgar


Holy christ wtf this is blammy.

  • 08.06.2008 1:20 AM PDT
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Decent write up with pretty solid evidence: Plausible.

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Nice theory, but it doesn't seem like Bungie to be so complex.....
but i'm convinced..........even if this wasn't Bungie's original intention for the story line, i think you may have written another game for them.lol.

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good theory nothing more.

  • 08.06.2008 2:07 AM PDT
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If you have a complaint about the game, just take a step back and remeber how lucky you really are to even be in possesion of it when compared to the millions of people suffering around the world with not even a roof over their heads.

Okay now I have no problem with the OP, none whatsoever, I just want to clear that up cos it might seem that way considering how vehemently against his theory I am.
I don't get it I'm still seeing people complimenting the OP on how wonderfull his theory is, now I must admit it is very well thought out, but several people have posted here, me included, with information that shoots big, giant, gapping holes in it, they aren't even questionable points, there irrefutable, and make it impossible for the thory to be correct, so I would like very much to put this topic to bed. But then again who am I kidding, this is the internets.

  • 08.06.2008 3:24 AM PDT
Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.

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its totally plausible and i think that u maybe right of how the chief is in another dimension this can totally start a new series for Halo but what i don't get is if chief is in another dimension who are his new enemies going to be, i can tell that it took u a long time to gather this evidence and i can't believe that any person would have figured it out this way with actual proof Great Job!

PS. Y did Bungie lie to us so the Fight isn't actually over why BUNGIE why?

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  • 08.06.2008 5:35 PM PDT
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Okay now I have no problem with the OP, none whatsoever, I just want to clear that up cos it might seem that way considering how vehemently against his theory I am.
I don't get it I'm still seeing people complimenting the OP on how wonderfull his theory is, now I must admit it is very well thought out, but several people have posted here, me included, with information that shoots big, giant, gapping holes in it, they aren't even questionable points, there irrefutable, and make it impossible for the thory to be correct, so I would like very much to put this topic to bed. But then again who am I kidding, this is the internets.
I'm just as frustrated. The majority of posts are "awesome theory i have no clue what marathon is lolol but i bet bungie is wetting their pants because you figured it all out lol" and "omg my head hurts you have no life and too much time on your hands." When the OP got b-listed, there was even a page or two with "omg bungie banned him because they didn't want anyone finding out the truth!" It doesn't take much to throw the entire theory out the window; I even went through the entire thing point-by-point on page 94, but all us detractors really ever do is bump it for more drones to see.

  • 08.06.2008 10:13 PM PDT
Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.
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to spy spartan 117,

first of all yourtheory is blown way out of perportion, ONYX WENT BOOM BOOM, if you want a reference, read the book. second, the reason spartans are strong is because they were genetically altered in physical and mental ways, he was born with his bones harder then metal. when guilty sparks said you parents he was speaking metaphorically as in ancestors which most people already believe humans descended from forerunner, forerunners arent spartans, humans are spartans, but altered scientifcally, also if you read that book and good, you would know this because the whole damn book is about the experiments pretty much. the suit master chief wears i am pretty sure could be worn by a regular marine, but is too heavy and with the spartan- II's inscreased physical strength, its like a regular suit to them. and how you thnk there will be a war between forerunner humans and elites is just im sorry, dumb, forerunners are literally the same as humans but lost in history, but they left a huge legacy. so basically forerunners no longer exist.oh and another thing, cortana will be most likely dead by the time master chief could be awakened, ya, AI's gots a lifespan too, which according to books is 6-9 years i think, which heavily confuses me because cortana helped to choose john and john is like 42 which would make cortana the most obsolete AI they had, and shed be dead anyway, which really makes me think and confuzzles me. so quick recap, the MC is a human, guilty spark said forerunner because the 2 are the same and not one was physically stronger then the other.

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  • 08.06.2008 11:59 PM PDT
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This is probably bull -blam!-, but is their any chance it's the forerunners home planet?

  • 08.08.2008 12:25 AM PDT
Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.

y was it removed

  • 08.08.2008 12:26 AM PDT

its totally plausible and i think that u maybe right of how the chief is in another dimension this can totally start a new series for Halo but what i don't get is if chief is in another dimension who are his new enemies going to be, Mlg Spartan117

It could possibly be some surviving Forerunners or something



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  • 08.08.2008 12:27 AM PDT
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I HAS A FARNCH FRIE!

WTF?! Why'd he get backlisted?
It sounded like a good theory.
I bet Bungie saw it and was all like, "ZoMg! j00 FiGuRd It OwT!!!!!!"

  • 08.08.2008 4:06 PM PDT

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WTF?! Why'd he get backlisted?
It sounded like a good theory.
I bet Bungie saw it and was all like, "ZoMg! j00 FiGuRd It OwT!!!!!!"


What was the theory?

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I HAS A FARNCH FRIE!

I never got to read it but everyone makes it sound so good in thier posts.

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I HAS A FARNCH FRIE!

Can someone explain to me what happened?

  • 08.08.2008 4:20 PM PDT
Subject: I have 100% Proof of where master chief is.

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The planet at the end of Halo's legendary cutscene could be Onyx. You know, from the books? Where all the other Spartans and Dr. Halsey are? The books description of Onyx sounds alot like the planet in the cutscene...

  • 08.08.2008 4:39 PM PDT

I miss Halo. Maybe Halo 4 will change that.

Edit: Lol nope

If the portal collapsed as the MC and Cortana went through it they could be anywhere between the ark and earth.

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or thye could be fAr oUt@!@!@!@!

  • 08.10.2008 10:15 PM PDT

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Have you all ever noticed that on the campaign stage when u first get on the ark...the chief and the marines are running along the side of a rocky cliff when a soldier looks up and says "Is that what i think it is?" ....or something of the like...b4 johnson cuts him off and says pay attention to the battle?.... well if u look up u can see our galaxy, and if u can see our galaxy that means that they are not IN our galaxy bc we can see it in the distance which means when chief gets left behind he is where ever the arks explosion pushed him to, but it was not our galaxy...and this planet could very possibly be mars, but maybe its not called mars in this other galaxy he's in, but as far as another dimension im not sure that bungie would leap that far just yet, even tho they did in marathon 3, idk if they would do that now bc it would cause mass confusion haha just like Marathon 3 did. although i do think that bungie has some tricks up their sleeve to keep us guessing the whole time i think they enjoy messing with our minds haha but i have a feeling that they have given most of the answers but no one knows where to look unfortunately hehe....but yea im just throwin stuff out there to maybe give someone else help bc if i get into this i become entangled in an endless web of confusion and wonder haha....

im off to bed for real now tho haha night and have a good one

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Have you all ever noticed that on the campaign stage when u first get on the ark...the chief and the marines are running along the side of a rocky cliff when a soldier looks up and says "Is that what i think it is?" ....or something of the like...b4 johnson cuts him off and says pay attention to the battle?.... well if u look up u can see our galaxy, and if u can see our galaxy that means that they are not IN our galaxy bc we can see it in the distance which means when chief gets left behind he is where ever the arks explosion pushed him to, but it was not our galaxy...and this planet could very possibly be mars, but maybe its not called mars in this other galaxy he's in, but as far as another dimension im not sure that bungie would leap that far just yet, even tho they did in marathon 3, idk if they would do that now bc it would cause mass confusion haha just like Marathon 3 did. although i do think that bungie has some tricks up their sleeve to keep us guessing the whole time i think they enjoy messing with our minds haha but i have a feeling that they have given most of the answers but no one knows where to look unfortunately hehe....but yea im just throwin stuff out there to maybe give someone else help bc if i get into this i become entangled in an endless web of confusion and wonder haha....

im off to bed for real now tho haha night and have a good one


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Taste the Joe

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good night to u too buddy haha, and im 6'2 btw so it is possible hehe

  • 08.16.2008 1:15 AM PDT
Subject: I have 100% Proof of where master chief is. NEW PROOF!!!!!
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"OMG Mars is in Iris! Mars is round and there is a round thing in the legendary ending! ZOMG Mars iz in the legendary ending!!!"

This long and people are still being duped by this?
There's no proof what-so-ever in that theory, and what premises there are are easily refuted.
Really? Well, not once in this entire response did you provide any kind of valid counter-argument to the theory that Mars was the planet indicated in Iris, and subsequently, Halo 3. You simply reiterated your own opinion that it could be anything else, despite the Iris picture's clear implications of being related to the Legendary Ending.

Anyway, I'm going to try and clear some things up, as well as respond as unbiased as I can to some of the things you've brought up.

btw,
ONYX ASPLODED.


Onyx did did not explode, the crust of the planet did, revealing the sentinel-constructed center. Not that I particularly support the Onyx theories, just that you're wrong.
That is an argument of semantics. I don't consider a lattice of sentinels a planet. I considered its several "natural" layers of magma, earthen ground, plantlife, water, and atmosphere to be what made Onyx a "planet". Of course, the Sentinels constructed the core as they are clearly charged with protecting the micro Dyson Sphere, but what constituted the planet Onyx is now gone, and so Onyx itself is gone. There is simply a lattice of sentinels remaining. You could disagree, and I'm sure you do, but again, this is semantics, and I only stated my opinion to prove that point. He isn't wrong. Neither are you.

It is my theory ( 100% positive in my head ) , That when the portal collapsed, It did so on the master chiefs side of the ship, Sending them into another universe. The arbiter is in the halo universe, In the same time, But chief + cortana are in the marathon universe.

There is no "in-between" that transports you between dimensions if a portal collapses; you're either on one end of it, or the other end of it, but never in it (get it?). You say that the collapsing portal sent them to the Marathon universe, but how could Cortana know the exploding Halo "did a number on the Ark" if they're in a different universe? The portal simply cut off and separated the two halves of the ship like scissors cutting paper, and they drifted forward with whatever momentum they had. Remember that the Halo didn't exactly fire as much as explode, and they did not have to be transported long distances to survive.
There are two things I want to address here. First, your assertion that there is no "in between" in portal travel. To begin with, portals are theoretical. To claim that a simple hypothesis in the real-world should equate to existing technology in science-fiction video games where several laws of our current universe have already been clearly broken, is ignorant. Unless you are both a theoretical physicist as well as a Bungie staff writer, you are not fit to make that kind of assessment.

Second, your assertion that they were left on the side with Halo's explosion and the Ark is wrong. Quoting Cortana from the after-credits scene:

"We made it through just as it collapsed."

Cortana is asserting that they did make it through the Portal. They also made it quite clear (at least by Cortana's calculations) that the damage Halo would do was enough to kill them if they didn't make it through the portal. Sure, she could be wrong, but that is simply a side-note in conjunction with the above quote.

If they made it through, though, why are they not with the Arbiter? Why do they think they are dead? It is confusing, because Cortana and the Chief are not where the Ark and the Halo were left, and they are also not where the Arbiter ended up. They are somewhere else. That is factual.

And to people that say this theory isnt possible because of the different universe thing, in the game Marathon Infinity, the main character can travel between universes and dimensions.

In Infinity, the player is yanked from timeline to alternate timeline by a hybrid computer (I'll call it Thothandal) looking for a way to stop the embodiment of chaos from coming out of the sun and eating the universe. Play the game instead of reading summaries secondhand. The Master Chief cannot travel between dimensions, the portal did not send him between dimensions, there is no W'rkncacnter crisis.
I have not played, nor have I researched Marathon Infinity in great depth, and so I have no place to comment on this. However, I can state the obvious fact that if your provided information is correct, then it is not completely impossible that something else in the Haloverse could have caused the Master Chief to traverse inter-dimensionally. Do I personally think so? Not really. However, it is highly possible.

For example, there is great debate on Mendicant Bias' message of atonement in the last Legendary Terminal (on Halo):

Terminal 7
But I want something far different from you, Reclaimer.

Atonement.

And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe. I'm not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions.

But I would have my masters know that I have changed.

And you shall be my example.
The text I bolded above is the main point of debate in whether Mendicant was referring to simply helping the Chief escape the Ark before Halo's destructive force was unreleashed, or whether Mendicant was referring to sending Master Chief's half of the ship to an undisclosed location, literally to a Forerunner world to "show his masters that he has changed". That would also require the assumption that some Forerunner still live on, which is a bit much for me to believe, but again, I'm simply trying to provide all points of the arguments here.

1. Marathon takes place on a ship called marathon, but the ship is actually a hollowed out moon of Mars
2. The Iris and the Mars photos are exact, meaning Bungie meant for Mars to be somewhere in the game, and look at the iris pictures, everything lines up with the legendary pictures.


1: Marathon was hollowed out of Deimos. So? The marathon has been gone for eighty years by the time Halo starts and the Marathon cyborg is in hibernation and on well on his way to have some fun at Tau Ceti.
2: "Mars is in Iris, Mars is round, there is a round thing in the legendary ending, zomg Mars is in the legendary ending." All planets are round. Take a guess at how many planets are in the galaxy, and you get <1% chance that that is Mars. Blue nebula next door to our solar system, show me it.
Once again, regardless of what the protagonist of Marathon was doing at the time does not stop the possibility of Master Chief, potentially (and most likely) a completely separate entity from traversing into the Marathon universe (or some other). As far as the Iris/Halo 3 connection with Mars goes... the image we were given in Iris was a Mars thermal capture of its moon. The same place that the thermal readings were on the image is the same place that the light emanated from in the Legendary Ending. It was in Iris for a good reason, and a connection between the two is clear as daylight.

  • 08.16.2008 1:51 AM PDT
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HAVE ANY OF YOU NOTICED THAT MASTER CHEIF IS NOT REAL! SO HIS THEORY IS WRONG! IT CANT BE RIGHT IF HE DOESNT EXIST!

I KNOW WHERE MASTER CHEIF REALLY IS! HE IS A BUNCH OF CODING KEPT ON YOUR HALO 3 DISC! I FOUND HIM, YAY!

  • 08.16.2008 1:58 AM PDT
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That is huge, so to keep this down to manageable size, I'm just going to quote small bits to indicate what I'm rebutting.

Really? ya rly. The theory isn't built around the planet being Mars, it's built around Halo leading into Marathon, and then finding evidence to support it. That's backwards logic. I only spent as much time on it as the original theory did because I figured anyone who could think about it for half a second could dismiss any Mars equals legendary planet argument out-of-hand, but if you want me to dwell on Mars, I can.

Onyx. You're arguing semantics vs semantics with semantics. You want to call it "the micro Dyson Sphere" instead of Onyx, because there's no dirt, fine by me. I'll keep calling it Onyx instead of "that micro Dyson Sphere." The OP doesn't care whether Onyx exploded or flaked away to reveal Sentinels, he's asserting that Onyx is not a possibility for the legendary planet. Discarding the location argument for now, there's nothing preventing it from being Onyx. I don't remember exactly how small this Dyson Sphere is, but I take "micro" to mean "fits inside a planet" rather than a solar system (at least, relative to the outside), and not "fits inside Rhode Island." So, off the top of my head, I'll say this swarm of Sentinels is about half the diameter of the original planet. Take those trillions of 3m long rods and view them from space, you aren't going to see the intricate, crystalline structure; you're going to see a sphere. What do you see in the legendary ending? A sphere. Adding the location argument back in, it can't be "the structure formerly known as Onyx," unless... it moved.

Location. This one's short. Before before credits: blue cloud. Legendary ending: blue cloud. There's no blue nebula anywhere near our solar system. Meaning there's no possible way this is Mars, Marathon timeline or not. The fact that the Master Chief is not dead is not concrete proof that they went through the portal. The unfinished Halo didn't fire as much as it did blow up and take the Ark down with it.

"We made it through just as it collapsed. Well, some of us made it." FTFY. We are watching the same cutscene here, right? Cortana is asserting they did not make it through the portal, only the Arbiter did. See how the context changes when you actually watch the cutscene you're taking your evidence from?

Unless you are both a theoretical physicist as well as a Bungie staff writer, you are not fit to make that kind of assessment.Then you should skip this next paragraph, because I go so far as to use common sense and previously defined story elements. I'm such a radical.

The Forerunner had a grasp of instantaneous Slipspace travel, as evidenced in GoO. Why would they use this technology for the Onyx construct and not the most important transit mechanism they'd ever created, the portal? It's clear from the cutscenes between Floodgate and The Ark that it was instantaneous. Since the travel is instantaneous, this Forerunner method should really be coined Foldspace. Nothing between. Like a pair of scissors, stick something in it and close it and you'll get nothing in-between, just the two pieces. If there is something in-between, it's a few molecules' thickness spread over however many light years; not some long, spacious tunnel convenient for losing ships in.

But I would have my masters know that I have changed.
And you shall be my example.
Like you just said, anything to do with this is speculative. Why do heroes swear vengeance for dead family (e.g. Inigo Montoya)? Why do we award medals of honor posthumously? In the same way, Mendicant Bias attempts to atone by helping the MC escape the ring. If anything, I think it shows a Forerunner belief in an afterlife, and common sense dictates the portal is a hard link between Earth and the Ark, not anything controlled by software.

I have not played, nor have I researched Marathon Infinity in great depth, and so I have no place to comment on this.Then why are you even arguing? The whole theory is about how the Master Chief becomes the Marathon marine, and you've chosen a small piece of the counter-argument to attack on the basis of a picture of Mars, instead of the cardinal argument of "(MC==MM)?"

does not stop the possibility of Master Chief, potentially (andst likely) a completely separate entity from traversing into the Marathon universe (or some other)Then what would be the point? That's like writing a story set in the MGS universe that has nothing to do with the Les Enfants Terribles or Metal Gear, or set in the 100 Acre Woods and having nothing to do with Winnie the Pooh. If the story has nothing to do with the Marathon, there's no reason to complicate things with the unneeded prologue elements of switching timelines just because you can. If any Halo 4 starts with a Star Wars-styled text scroll saying, "The Master Chief has traveled to the parallel Marathon timeline, of which the Marathon has no part in this story. So let's get killing!" I will break my freaking tv.

The same place that the thermal readings were on the image is the same place that the light emanated from in the Legendary Ending.There's only so many ways you can present a dramatic sunrise in space. Our own sun rises in the east, which is why the majority of the time you will see it represented coming over the right side of the planet. It's the way the human mind is configured. That the position of the heat blotch is roughly the position of the star is the only evidence the Mars connection has. There is more evidence and actual facts to prove that it is not Mars.

Deductions:
Onyx is still a possibility.
It can't be Mars because MB can't control a hard-linked portal.
It can't be Mars because the portal is not a Slipspace tunnel, but a "Foldspace" teleporter.
It can't be Mars because introducing unnecessary complexity to a story line, when the primary reason for adding that complexity left 80 years ago, is stupid.

Facts:
It can't be Mars because there's no blue nebula in our solar system.
It can't be Mars because they didn't get through the portal.

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