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what the hell is Mendicant Bias???
Do you remember Adjutant Reflex? Mendicant Bias is the one who took over his identity. He was the main character of the IRIS viral marketing campaign that took place here on Bungie.net and Halo3.com in June/July of '07.

He is a Forerunner construct that was created to battle the Flood in the 300-year war, approximately 100,000 years ago. Mendicant Bias was coerced into betraying the Forerunner, by the Gravemind. He joined the Flood, thinking they were the next natural evolution of life, and helped them attack the Forerunner. He was later defeated by another Forerunner construct, Offensive Bias.

If you're not big into Halo lore, it probably won't interest you much. However, if you are, then I suggest you read up on his wiki-page, and cross-reference that information with transcriptions of the Halo 3 Terminals (and I believe, Contact Harvest).

  • 08.25.2008 5:23 AM PDT
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Okay i haveent got time to read all those posts by Dream and ogier cos im in school, but i cant wait, cos they look well thot out.
Same thing kinda. Yesterday was too hectic to write, and classes start today. But it's coming.

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  • 08.25.2008 6:26 AM PDT

i love the halo story! i cant belive i didnt know about this?? iv read all the books but is there anything els that might b interesting that isnt in any of the books?

  • 08.25.2008 6:40 AM PDT
Subject: Where in the world is Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.

*Cue Wild West Music*
"I recken you don't come around these parts?"

dude he is in bungies closet

  • 08.25.2008 6:57 AM PDT

Cool theory, but there are a lot of easter eggs i the game. So what if the Legendary ending was just an easter egg, and MC is really dead? I think that it was a treat for the people who beat it on legendary, and for us to debate on the forums making us more anxious for the next Bungie product. Thats my theory, but nothing is certain at all.

  • 08.25.2008 7:34 AM PDT

And besides, using an AR/BR in a first person mode bieng MC for a FOURTH time and having an unchanged multiplayer experience for four games would get boring. In my opinion, that is

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  • 08.25.2008 7:39 AM PDT
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Posted by: omgpop
Okay i haveent got time to read all those posts by Dream and ogier cos im in school, but i cant wait, cos they look well thot out.
Same thing kinda. Yesterday was too hectic to write, and classes start today. But it's coming.
For the record, unless you can abide by my request for you to address my points as a whole, rather than nitpicking, I will not bother to read, and you needn't bother to write it.

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Cool theory, but there are a lot of easter eggs i the game. So what if the Legendary ending was just an easter egg, and MC is really dead? I think that it was a treat for the people who beat it on legendary
The Legendary Endings of the Halo games have always had canonical meaning (except for the CE scene where the Elite and Sgt. Johnson hug and grabass). In Halo CE, it was 343 Guilty Spark flying through space, revealing he was still alive to return a menace. In Halo 2 it was Cortana submitting to the Gravemind's questioning. And in Halo 3, well, you know.

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This is a pretty interresting theory you have here, allthough it has been talked about before. It hasn't, however, been discussed with such detail, and you apparently did a lot of research.

I'ts not a German observation site, it's a Swedish observation site.. If you are to write about the origin of the information, please at least get some facts instead of guessing. I'm tired of Sweden being confused with Germany and Russia.

  • 08.25.2008 7:48 AM PDT

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[quote]Posted by: omgpop

[quote]Posted by: xSnakeOil757x
Cool theory, but there are a lot of easter eggs i the game. So what if the Legendary ending was just an easter egg, and MC is really dead? I think that it was a treat for the people who beat it on legendary
The Legendary Endings of the Halo games have always had canonical meaning (except for the CE scene where the Elite and Sgt. Johnson hug and grabass). In Halo CE, it was 343 Guilty Spark flying through space, revealing he was still alive to return a menace. In Halo 2 it was Cortana submitting to the Gravemind's questioning. And in Halo 3, well, you know.


Oh, yea that makes sense too i guess

  • 08.25.2008 7:52 AM PDT

<3 EVA = SHINY DOME HEAD ED NESS <3

YAY Marathon For The 360!!!!!!
Hopefully

  • 08.25.2008 7:56 AM PDT
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He could be anywhere, and it could be Mars if it turned out to be an intra-universal transportation.

There is no large blue nebula near mars.
You completely missed the point I was making, opog. If it is an intra-universal transportation, then the blue nebula could most certainly be near Mars in another universe. That was my point.


It could, but there's no evidence that there is a blue nebula near Mars in the marathon universe. Additionally, there's no evidence that he even traveled to another universe.


That is hard, solid (and yet-to-be fully researched) evidence (note, I'm not saying proof), that the two are connected.

No, it is not hard, solid evidence of a connection. It's evidence of absolutely nothing. There's still no evidence that the planetoid in the legendary ending is mars. Two different planets, both of which were photographed in similar ways. The planet does not look like mars, and the area around it does not look like the area around mars. Your only solution to those problems is the ultimate Cop Out answer, with no evidence to support it, either.

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Onxy did not blow up. it just became the Dison Sphere.

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Onxy did not blow up. it just became the Dison Sphere.
onyx did get destroyed, did you finish the book? and it's Dyson sphere

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He could be anywhere, and it could be Mars if it turned out to be an intra-universal transportation.

There is no large blue nebula near mars.
You completely missed the point I was making, opog. If it is an intra-universal transportation, then the blue nebula could most certainly be near Mars in another universe. That was my point.


It could, but there's no evidence that there is a blue nebula near Mars in the marathon universe. Additionally, there's no evidence that he even traveled to another universe.
I never said there was. Additionally, if you actually took the time to read a few posts over the last few pages, which you clearly haven't, you would see very clearly that I am not arguing in favor of the Marathon universe / Mars theory. I am however, making it very clear that it has not been proven false, which, most of you seem to jump right on top of. I made this very clear in the last sentence of my first response to you.


That is hard, solid (and yet-to-be fully researched) evidence (note, I'm not saying proof), that the two are connected.

No, it is not hard, solid evidence of a connection. It's evidence of absolutely nothing.
"Evidence of absolutely nothing"? So you're going to ignore solid, physical, factual, and visual documentation from IRIS, a canonical piece of Halo lore, which clearly depicts a series of readings from a planetoid and an anomaly that are aligned and proportionate exactly like that in the Legendary Ending? If so, your claim is just as credible as Ogier stating claiming to know the mechanics of Forerunner portal technology. Their proportions to one another are not just similar, they are identical. If you don't believe me, I suggest you open up another browser, search YouTube for the Legendary Ending, and watch very carefully.

The two are very, very clearly connected in some way, whether there is a Mars relation or not. Once again, let me be clear that I never once said that I believe it is Mars, nor am I arguing to its factuality. I am, however, arguing against the assertions made with no factual or evidential basis or foundation. I did so both in favor of and against this theory many pages ago. I am remaining as objective as possible, because honestly, that's the only way any real progress is made.

There's still no evidence that the planetoid in the legendary ending is mars. Two different planets, both of which were photographed in similar ways. The planet does not look like mars, and the area around it does not look like the area around mars. Your only solution to those problems is the ultimate Cop Out answer, with no evidence to support it, either.Once again, as above said, I'm not arguing for the intra-universal travel theory. I am merely explaining why certain things are or aren't possible given the context of this thread. Cop out or not, it's possible. It has not been proven impossible. As unlikely as it is, which I completely agree is probably a 0.00000000001% chance, it is still not impossible. I'm not using the theory as any kind of excuse, because I simply am not arguing the theory. Please read a bit of this thread before you respond. I know there are too many pages to catch up on now, but I've made my standpoint very clear over the last two pages, which you obviously missed.

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Onxy did not blow up. it just became the Dison Sphere.
onyx did get destroyed, did you finish the book? and it's Dyson sphere
As grey stated, Onyx cracked and its surface exploded into space. It was destroyed when the sentinels which comprised its core began reacting to the Covenant warships as a threat, attacking them to protect the micro Dyson Sphere, which, Onyx did not become, as the micro Dyson Sphere had simply resided in the center of Onyx to begin with.

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  • 08.25.2008 9:39 AM PDT
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Wow. Extensive and convincing! Great job!

  • 08.25.2008 9:41 AM PDT

Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die.


read the forgotten spartan by rainman89

The Array. Wherever and whatever the hell that is.

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The Array. Wherever and whatever the hell that is.
"The Array" or "Halo Array" is the collective name of all seven Halo installations.

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For the sake of this response, which will be the last I bother writing to you (unless you start providing counter-arguments that actually address my own in their entirety)Fine, good riddance. You the only one who understands your deluded "linked but have nothing to do with each other" argument anyway, so there's no chance anyone is going to be able address your arguments more than I already have - which is pretty exhaustive.

Excuse me, which dependent sentence?This one.

I haven't cut out anything, I address both sentences of the quote directly.*Now you're just blatantly lying, and you didn't even bother covering it up.

Yes, and that hypocrite is you.Ouch, didn't see that one coming. Can you be a little less predictable? I need some excitement here.

I am treating it as such, as opposed to theoretical/hypothetical, astrophysical cosmology which you, uneducated on the matter, wrongfully skew into a basis for your self-created theories on how a sci-fi FPS game's portal technology works.Actually, I'm a theoretical/hypothetical, astrophysical cosmology major, and I would say I am educated enough to write a rough supposition on how the portal works, especially with the evidence at hand, that you so conveniently ignore I've written. Furthermore, how educated is it to simply repeat "anything's possible" every time the blue cloud comes up?

Also, how convenient that you falsely condemn me for cutting something out of my own response (since I did not)See a few quotes above.*

yet you cut the majority of my explanations out and simply respond to the opening sentence with a passive, and very out-of-context remark. Great work, your counter-argument is so very credible. [/sarcasm]**You seem to have a blind spot when it comes to the truth. I have responded to everything, and I thought I knew you could read well enough to see that. As I said in my first post in this conversation, I was only going to quote bits in order to show where I was in your post while keeping the size down. When you repeat yourself - which you often do since 50% of the new material in your posts is "I never said it was Mars" and "address my nonsensical 'linked, but not really' argument or I'll plug my ears and go 'lalalalala'" - I had merged the topic with its other iterations. Now that you've started including multiple topics per paragraph, you can see I am quoting more specifically, wasting space just to address your potshots at my character.

For the sake of your apparent Alzheimer's, I'll say once again, I never said it was floating near MarsYeah, I know. Your purpose in arguing that I didn't have any proof it was Mars has nothing to do with Mars. I'm less than a quarter of the way through your double post and I'm already sick of this bull. See ****.

As for Cortana not recognizing the constellations***Cortana sees what the Chief sees. That is obvious. The Chief looks out of the shattered hull. There're the ending constellations. There is a break between the end of Cortana and the beginning of Halo, during which the MC flies from High Charity, through space, to the replacement 04, and doubtlessly sees the sky a few times during the escape from 04. There're the Ark constellations. Cortana is perfectly capable of stitching the recordings together into a panoramic view. The argument that she was "too busy"is ridiculous, given that she can multitask recording camera feed to a subroutine that would take very little processing power, and an AI would not need commit much thought to something so simple as intra-solar travel (simply steering into the portal) even under the given circumstances - whether they are in a rush or not makes no different to the amount of processing power it takes to accelerate the ship. Secondly, given that even the simple helmets worn by the marines in Halo 1 automatically record what the soldier sees, it is idiotic to assume a Spartan II's helmet cam would not. Thus Cortana would not even have to devote the slightest thought to recording the constellations, and is perfectly capable of - and has plenty of time to devote to - comparing the constellations after your crazy 100% load from driving the frigate. This should have dawned on you numerous times while writing that paragraph, and I find it amazing that I have to keep writing whole sections of my own to point out the obvious.

Lastly, while AI have emotions, that doesn't mean they suddenly become stupid. I'm breaking out the analogies, since you seem to have selective amnesia of human nature. You're lost in the woods. You're crippled and incapable of moving, but by some chance you have a bright, red flag and a tall pole to hoist it up. You know there's a very slim chance of being found, even with the flag up. Do you A: hoist the flag, thereby giving rescuers a better chance of finding you, however small? Or do you B: keep the flag in your pocket, as good as actively hiding from anyone coming to help? I know that the flag can't be seen by anyone 50 miles away in the city. I know that you can't survive more than a few days, as opposed to indefinitely in cryo-stasis. I know the rescuers think you're dead already, and have sent few, if any people to look for you. So you don't need to waste both our time pointing out the surface faults and pretending they invalidate the entire argument. That's your answer.

Light travels faster than sound/electronic/radio signals
First of all, sound is not an electromagnetic wave, and wouldn't travel in a vacuum. Secondly, radio waves are, and they do travel the same speed as light. At least try to know what the hell you're arguing about.

Read above. I am not arguing that it is Mars, and you are, rather than addressing me, are still addressing the OP. Please correct this in future responses.****"Really? Well, not once in this entire response did you provide any kind of valid counter-argument to the theory that Mars was the planet indicated in Iris, and subsequently, Halo 3."
You know what that sounds like? That sounds like you're saying I didn't provide any evidence that it wasn't Mars. By providing the evidence that you ask for, and subsequently defending that evidence, as an corollary to my original counter-theory I AM addressing the OP's theory. No one can address you because you are only saying they are "linked," which is nothing but a pile of bs to hide behind and does really mean anything. All I can do to address you is to counter the evidence and arguments that you have brought up, despite how much it indirectly addressing the OP displeases you. If you can come up with an outline to arguing against something so purposefully ambiguous as "they are linked" I'd be happy to argue it!

However, keep in mind that astronomical accuracies are not 100% in Halo, either.Given your current track record, I thought you couldn't come up with lamer excuses. I overestimated you again.

This isn't the first time I said this. I said this in my original quote to you.The only two instances of "link" on page 114 are used by me. The two times you mentioned "connection" and "related" your statements imply you think Mars and the planet are the same. If it is true you really meant "linked," you need to learn to write clearly. See ****.

I'm not surprised that you missed it, however, as you seem very keen on skipping everything after the first few sentences of my paragraphs.See **.

Every single piece of content we got from IRIS (which, by the way, was written by Bungie/Microsoft, and only produced by a separate company), had an important meaning.This too? I didn't see that in the game.

What happened earlier in the book does not directly correlate with what happened at the end of the book. It was a new, interlinked pattern specifically because they now held the sole duty of protecting the micro-Dyson Sphere in the center.Yes it does. No matter what alignment they are in, one Sentinel alone cannot break the crust of a planet. As earlier in the book, the Sentinels would combine to fire a stronger beam. Every Sentinel in the structure firing on its own could not break the surface, hence pattern.

However, you ignored the first part of my quote. They noticed the patterns before they even used magnification, which means that it was visible to the naked eye at a distance safe from the surface's explosion.I did not. As I keep saying, and you keep ignoring, the pattern of the structure is not visible to the naked eye from that distance. The only reason the a pattern was visible was because not every Sentinel was firing individually, but combining beams. I'll say it again: a diamond is a crystalline structure too; a diamond can be cut into a sphere, but do you see the crystalline structure or a curved edge? What does the horizon of a planet look like? A curved edge.
Nowhere from page 376 to 378 does it say they saw the Sentinels themselves with the naked eye. "'We've seen that before,' Lash said. "Combined drone fire.'" Combined "a blazing pattern emerged beneath: crosses and lines and dots." Sentinels themselves do not blaze, their beams do. You are suggesting that the crew saw three-meter-long rods from the moon with the naked eye? Redundant question! You're nuts!

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Once again, you counter-argue something I am not arguing.Yeah, yeah, I know. Even though every argument you present is a rebuttal against the impossibility of the planet being Mars, none of this has to do with Mars. See ****.

Mars aside, as well as your ill-advised, against-the-grain assumption that they did not make it into/through the portalYour interpretation of the voice acting is no more valid than mine, so cut the ill-advised crap. The purple cloud behind the Ark is seen in a bunch of cutscenes and levels, but the problem is that the player never clearly sees what's in the direction the Ark is facing. Sure, you can see the Milky Way, but half the sky is obscured by cliffs and clouds in every level and that's all you can see. I didn't see a sun during the arrival cutscene, but The Ark is played in daylight.

I never said they put it in his hands.By hard-linked, I really mean hard-linked. As in, MB is not going to be able to access the portal through software or build a connection to it so he can. I'd offer an explanation, but you'd attack it, and then I'd have to spend more time and character count defending it. I won't address anything you say on this, since we'd be going in circles.

They may not have had time to ensure such security measures.So the portal can be tampered with because the Ark was a rush job… and my argument doesn't make sense? (It's a race to see how many rhetorical questions I can sensibly fit in a post now.)

Once more, speculation.Did I say it was fact? I said I didn't care. I don't know how I can spell it out more obviously that it isn't I point I'm arguing. I swear I could argue that the Ark and Earth are linked by a piece of spaghetti and you'd waste five minutes attacking it.

The difference here, however, is that I am considering both sides, as you should. You are not.No, the difference is I considered both sides a long time ago, and chose the one that made sense, and was therefore true. And you're just coming up with things on the fly.

Some actual evidence and citings would be spectacular,It will be done. Classes start again this week so I don't have much time for reading, but it will get done.

because all I've read is a bunch of misinterpretations as well as theories you've seemed to spawn with no basis from the game at all. So, please, provide some sources just as I have.Now you're just throwing that word around like you're getting points for it. Blue cloud? Never saw it, just speculation. "Some of us made it?" She didn't say that either. Dropping a beacon near Mars and taking years to reach Earth? Of course, science be damned! The only source you've provided/cited is the chapter that we'd both already read, so get off your high horse like it actually counts.

Yes you did. Foldspace is a perfect example.I provided half a paragraph of background from the book and the game, where were you?

My point was that fiction has no bounds. Luckily for us, Bungie has decided to set some realistic boundaries for themselves, but that hasn't kept them from breaking them now and then.You also clearly implied that it was possible Bungie had moved an extra-galactic object for no reason at all. Yes, that's true, and since you're so diehard to accuse me of taking everything you've ever written or will write out of context, let me spell that out for you: I said there was no blue cloud in our solar system, you said implied anything was possible, which in turn implies it's possible that blue cloud could be in our solar system. Since there is no story-driven reason why a blue cloud that greatly alter the orbit of every nearby planet (that's an understatement) would be randomly moved to Sol, it must be there for no other reason but to confuse people who would use it to discount the planet being Mars.
Lame excuse again. If all you're going to say is that we should be lucky the Pillar of Autumn didn't run on steam power, don't bother at all. (That's a hyperbole, shut up.)

She didn't miss entering the portal1. If she thinks they made it back to Sol, why again does it take years to find a beacon? I guess one of these random "anything is possible" things Bungie altered out-of-the-blue is make radio waves travel at human walking speed? 2. Duh. These are counterpoints to your argument. 3. See ***. As for having no explanation for that: it's because your argument is wrong. That she couldn't see the damage to the Ark if they actually entered the portal carries more weight as evidence than your interpretation (and misconception) of hearing relief in Cortana's voice does. You fail to invalidate the argument, nothing new.

Cite your source on this, please.If I find it, it will come with the terminal citations. I don't have time to go digging through Friday updates right now.

It was asserted that Frankie wrote the majority of IRIS.Cite your source on this, please.

With how in-depth I Love Bees was (handled by an entirely different company altogether), you should rethink that one.See spaghetti.

In a separate universe, all of these pieces of "evidence" (which, so far, have only been assertions on your part) would not matter.Ignoring the basic laws of physics (slipspace ∉ basic physics) that would make a dwarf galaxy in our life-sustaning solar system impossible seems to be what you do best.

It's not a copout to say that the image and the Legendary Ending are connected. It is a plot point. Whether or not the image itself has meaning behind it aside from corresponding to where the light emanates from, they are connected nonetheless.*pop* YARG! (Excuse me a moment, my eyes rolled so hard one of them popped out of the socket.) See ****.

Overall, you're presenting yourself in this debate very poorly.I would judge by validity of reasoning, and you're losing.

If you don't start addressing my points in their entirety, rather than leaving huge portions of them out, I'm not going to bother responding to you anymore.I swear you could ask me a yes-or-no question, get a single word answer, and you'd say I'm still somehow off-topic and out of context. See **, see ****.

For the record, unless you can abide by my request for you to address my points as a whole, rather than nitpicking, I will not bother to read, and you needn't bother to write it."Address every little thing I say." "Stop nitpicking." Make up your mind.

I never said there was. Additionally, if you actually took the time to read a few posts over the last few pages, which you clearly haven'tLet me stop you there. opogjijijp is one of the few people who've actually been paying attention to this thread.

Once again, as above said, I'm not arguing for the extra-universal travel theory.In a separate universe, all of these pieces of "evidence" (which, so far, have only been assertions on your part) would not matter.What you say?

  • 08.25.2008 2:28 PM PDT
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Additionally, if you actually took the time to read a few posts over the last few pages, which you clearly haven't, you would see very clearly that I am not arguing in favor of the Marathon universe / Mars theory

If you actually took the time to a few posts over the last few pages, which you clearly haven't, you would see very clearly that you have been doing nothing but arguing in favor of the Marathon universe / Mars theory.

"Evidence of absolutely nothing"

Very well, I revise my statement. It's evidence that there are only so many ways to show a dramatic sunrise in space.

The two are very, very clearly connected in some way

I hate to admit this, but you're right. They are connected. The both have what appear to be some sort of planetoid with something coming over it's horizon. What I realize is that Mars and the object in the legendary trailer are not the only two objects in the universe which are round and create the potential for dramatic sunrises. There's no more reason to think that it is mars than any other planet. In fact, there's less. That is my problem with this theory. Lack of evidence. When some evidence is provided, I will consider it.

. I'm not using the theory as any kind of excuse, because I simply am not arguing the theory In a separate universe, all of these pieces of "evidence" (which, so far, have only been assertions on your part) would not matter.

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  • 08.25.2008 3:44 PM PDT
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you know on the first level of halo: combat evolved well it was just like marathon (ok chief wasnt a security guard but you get the point) i meen cheif fighting a bunch of aliens on a ship

  • 08.25.2008 7:15 PM PDT
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Im old news

nah he's in fable 2 now
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Great theories.

  • 08.25.2008 10:16 PM PDT