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Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.

i hope VERY MUCH that bungie makes Halo 4 and proves wrong

until then you might be right

  • 03.15.2008 9:10 PM PDT
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It sounds like it could work

  • 03.15.2008 9:15 PM PDT

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It's not totally proven but it is the most anybody has ever figured out.Nice find.

  • 03.15.2008 9:42 PM PDT

Also, when I looked at the concept art of Marathon, I saw something interesting. When I looked at the Fungal Zombie, I instantly thought of a flood combat form. This could be the flood after they rebuild themselves and evolve over 200 years.

  • 03.15.2008 11:00 PM PDT
Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.
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Directed toward OP.

They don't have to be in different universes. The cheifs half of the ship simply didn't make the jump all the way back, so he goes into cryosleep waiting to be found, he drifts, the marathon plot starts, etc., etc.

  • 03.15.2008 11:21 PM PDT

At the end of an obvious statement you must put an obvious statement mark. It looks like this:

"The sky is blueisuck"
And
"This is a sentenceisuck"

Narwhal.

Well i don't know where the rest of him is, but i have his head on a stand in my living room.
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  • 03.15.2008 11:28 PM PDT

Posted by: phearmaker
It is my theory ( 100% positive in my head ) , That when the portal collapsed, It did so on the master chiefs side of the ship, Sending them into another universe. The arbiter is in the halo universe, In the same time, But chief + cortana are in the marathon universe.


Ok. Let me start off by saying that I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that a studio that puts out such innovative and creative products would opt to double back and do something they have already done before. There would be no surprises or plot twists in the story, which is a must for a successful game nowadays. It would make no sense at all.

There is one thing that I don't think you quite get... the intent of Mendicant Bias. In the seventh terminal Mendicant Bias spoke directly to the Chief and Cortana telling them that he would have his masters know that he has changed, and that Master Chief shall be his example. This means two things:

1. There are still Forerunners alive somewhere.
2. That he intends for Chief to meet them at some point.

How would Chief fulfill this role if he returned safely to Earth. The UNSC was no longer at war, and while ONI (and Dr. Halsey) would certainly like to have the Forerunner technologies on the Ark, humans simply didn't have the practical means to travel more than two galactic radii without a Forerunner Key Ship to reopen the portal. MB knew this and took action to prevent Chief from going through the portal. We already know the MB had been tampering with the portal control systems from one of the earlier Terminals. With all this evidence it seems very likely that it was Mendicant Bias who disabled the portal right before Chief's half entered. Your theory seems to suggest that the portal is 3 dimensional. How can a portal that provides instant transit be 3 dimensional. You're either through the portal, or not through the portal.

Now that we've established that Chief is stranded 2^18th lightyears from the Galactic Center of the Milky Way ( which is a long ways away from Mars), lets look at what happens from here. We know the Ark is 262,144 light years from the galactic center, and we also know from the level on Halo called 'The Ark', that the Ark lies a significant distance below the Galactic plane. We know this because the Milky Way can be seen in the sky from the Ark, and it has an elliptical shape, which means you are looking at the Galaxy from below (or above) the galactic plane. The Small Magellanic Cloud is about 210,000 lightyears from the galactic center, and it lies well below the galactic plane. If we assume that the Ark is also below the Galactic plane, everything begins to line up... literally. You can draw a line starting at the galactic center propagating at a significant angle below the galactic plane. First you hit the Large Magellanic Cloud, which is about 179,000 lightyears away, then you hit the SMC at 210,000, then finally you arrive at the Ark (262,144), which we can assume would have its terraformed side facing the Milky Way (like pointing a gun at its target), which would put the Chief's ship hurtling toward the SMC at the end of Halo 3, which appears to be what we see in both the Normal ending and Legendary Ending ( look at the Wikipedia picture for the SMC and you will see the resemblance. The SMC has the blue gas clouds characteristic of the star cluster we see in the game).

The Legendary Planet...it seems obvious to me that it was built by the Forerunners and from what we can surmise about Mendicant Bias' intent, that it is also inhabited now by Forerunners. My theory puts this planet somewhere between the Ark and the SMC. It is logical that the Forerunners still alive would want to shy away from the Ark, since it was the place where they committed galaxy-wide homicide, and it is also logical that they would want to monitor the progress of their Reclaimers and the rest of the post Halo effect galaxy that they had had (and were still having) such a profound impact on. Being closer to the SMC, suitable energy sources would be less few and far between as well (i.e. the blue star we see coming over the horizon of the planet). I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility that the planet we see is mobile, along the lines of High Charity, except better. This would potentially decrease floating time for the Chief, which I believe is the biggest problem he faces right now. Cortana's life span is only 7 years total, and she already has a few under her belt. I think it's very safe to say that if Chief returns in the next game, Cortana will be right there with him. Also, all of John's friends are trapped in the slipspace bubble at Onyx. The longer he floats in space, the more of his friends die (along with the money making story arcs accompanying them... just think for a minute about the possibilities of a squad based game that finally utilizes the physical advantages a SPARTAN possesses and also every aspect of blue team from Kelly's 60 km/hr speed, to Linda's sniper rifle, to John's luck, to Fred's... well just Fred). It's not logical that Chief would float until all of the characters that we've grown to love are dead (Dr. Halsey, Spartans, etc.). Chief is definitely not floating for very long before the events in the Legendary ending takes place.

I'm not saying that your Marathon theory isn't right. I think it is more likely that my theory is correct based simply on the fact that myself and many others have found significant evidence that suggest this is the way everything went down:
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=14023026&p ostRepeater1-p=1#14026023I find any Halo->Marathon connection impossible mainly because Bungie would never creatively stifle themselves by re-releasing Marathon and calling it the next chapter in the Halo series.





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  • 03.16.2008 1:34 AM PDT

It's like those hip musicians with their complicated shoes!

If violets are blue, then what colour is violet?

This is more of a gathering of information than a theory but it helps to clear things up a little.

To first of all cast doubt on other peoples comments on other threads, this is a direct quote from page 377 in Ghosts of Onyx.

'Onyx shattered and the surface exploded into space.
Obscured by layers of dust and fire, a blazing pattern emerged beneath: crosses and lines and dots.'

When people say that the end planet/object can't be Onyx because it blew up, they are only correct in so much as the surface of the planet exploded. So it may well be Onyx.

Another bit of evidence comes from the same book when Kurt observes that the highly polished stone of the ancient Forerunner city on the planet reflects images of what he is not sure to be the past, future or both.

If it is true that these are reflections of the future then Onyx would have had to survive.

Others believe that as the portal collapsed, Mendicant Bias somehow 'teleported' Chief to Onyx in the past to help the Forerunners fight off the first wave of Flood.

At the end when we see Chief floating around in the back half of the Dawn, Cortana says she can drop a beacon, but it could be years until anyone finds them. So during the Legendary ending, they may well have been floating for years.

So in summary my guess at a theory would be that Chief and Cortana have been floating in space for a rather long time when they come across Onyx. This, I believe, will lead into another story quite well as Chief will find the Spartans and Mendez and Doctor Halsey. I also believe we will see another story where we find out for sure who exactly the Forerunner were and how humanity as we know it came to be.

Just to add for those who will say that the story arc is finished. We will only see Chief for a while as he awakes from cryo to see Onyx. The Rings are gone, the Covenant are gone, Humanities struggle for survival is no more. But we will see another story in the Halo Universe, as I said, clarifying the mystery of the Forerunners and leading into another story.

Anyone with evidence to counter my own or another theory feel free to post.

Cheers.

  • 03.16.2008 2:06 AM PDT

Others believe that as the portal collapsed, Mendicant Bias somehow 'teleported' Chief to Onyx in the past to help the Forerunners fight off the first wave of Flood.

At the end when we see Chief floating around in the back half of the Dawn, Cortana says she can drop a beacon, but it could be years until anyone finds them. So during the Legendary ending, they may well have been floating for years.


How can Chief's half of the ship teleport somewhere else if it didn't even go through the portal. The only way this would be possible is if the Forerunners had a galaxy wide teleportation grid similar to the one we saw on Halo CE, but this would defeat the purpose of the portal.
The only believable location for Chief is by the Ark. Think about it. A Installation 04 was just fired. It makes perfect sense that the Forerunners would come to investigate the use of their Halo Array. I think the Legendary Planet is the Forerunner equivalent of High Charity (only on a much larger scale): a mobile city that they used as a refuge from the Milky Way after they fired the Array the first time. It also makes sense that they would be actively looking for a Reclaimer because only a Reclaimer can fire Halo. They probably found Chief's ship by using the device that the Covenant used to locate Forerunner Relics (humans are illuminated on this device with the Reclaimer Glyph). For the sake of continuity in the story line, I don't think that Chief and Cortana float for long before the Forerunners find them. Cortana would be dead after only a few years of floating, and Dr. Halsey and the rest of the SPARTANs would still be aging while Chief would not be in cryo sleep.

  • 03.16.2008 11:47 AM PDT

I was just playing Marathon Infinity and I got to the first terminal. When I looked at the picture, it looked like the legendary ending when the planet, moon, structure, w/e it is eclipsed the sun. I'm not saying this has really anything to do with the Marthon theory but it could be a suporting facter. As I did more research, I decided to look into the terminals on H3. I read the last terminal, and it said something about a race being destroyed many years ago. It could be that he's referring to the forruners as the Jjaro which was a race that had disappeared and the Pfhoer used some of the Jjaro's left over technology to build the probes and some of their weaponry. The only problem with this is that Mendicant Bias was the one telling the stories on the terminals and Medicant Bias was an AI created by the forruners to learn about the flood when the war between the forrunners and the flood had started many years ago. That's just some research I have found.

  • 03.16.2008 3:58 PM PDT
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marathon and halo are two different universes? i thought it was just a different time.

  • 03.16.2008 4:02 PM PDT
Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.

It's like those hip musicians with their complicated shoes!

If violets are blue, then what colour is violet?

Posted by: SaMMus38
Others believe that as the portal collapsed, Mendicant Bias somehow 'teleported' Chief to Onyx in the past to help the Forerunners fight off the first wave of Flood.

At the end when we see Chief floating around in the back half of the Dawn, Cortana says she can drop a beacon, but it could be years until anyone finds them. So during the Legendary ending, they may well have been floating for years.


How can Chief's half of the ship teleport somewhere else if it didn't even go through the portal. The only way this would be possible is if the Forerunners had a galaxy wide teleportation grid similar to the one we saw on Halo CE, but this would defeat the purpose of the portal.
The only believable location for Chief is by the Ark. Think about it. A Installation 04 was just fired. It makes perfect sense that the Forerunners would come to investigate the use of their Halo Array. I think the Legendary Planet is the Forerunner equivalent of High Charity (only on a much larger scale): a mobile city that they used as a refuge from the Milky Way after they fired the Array the first time. It also makes sense that they would be actively looking for a Reclaimer because only a Reclaimer can fire Halo. They probably found Chief's ship by using the device that the Covenant used to locate Forerunner Relics (humans are illuminated on this device with the Reclaimer Glyph). For the sake of continuity in the story line, I don't think that Chief and Cortana float for long before the Forerunners find them. Cortana would be dead after only a few years of floating, and Dr. Halsey and the rest of the SPARTANs would still be aging while Chief would not be in cryo sleep.




First of all I did not say in my opinion that he was 'teleported.' I simply said that others believe that is what happened.

Secondly, he could be anywhere in the universe. He doesn't have to be near the Ark at all. He might be but he doesn't have to be. Here is why.

The Ark is not inside the portal. It is in some other area of the universe. It works like say, for example, my front lawn is Earth, I walk through my front door which takes me through your front door onto your lawn which is the Ark. I'm not in your house/portal. It just acts as a gateway.

You also state that Forerunners would come looking for a Reclaimer because only a Reclaimer can fire the Halo array. How then, did the Forerunner fire them 100,000 years ago? They did it themselves.

Also, Cortana may very well exceed her operational lifespan by the time they get to Onyx, as per my theory.

The Spartans along with Dr. Halsey and Chief Mendez are inside a locallised Slipspace bubble inside the Dyson Sphere. It says that in Ghosts of Onyx. Therefore they would not age. At least not at the normal rate.

  • 03.16.2008 4:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: SaMMus38
Others believe that as the portal collapsed, Mendicant Bias somehow 'teleported' Chief to Onyx in the past to help the Forerunners fight off the first wave of Flood.

At the end when we see Chief floating around in the back half of the Dawn, Cortana says she can drop a beacon, but it could be years until anyone finds them. So during the Legendary ending, they may well have been floating for years.


How can Chief's half of the ship teleport somewhere else if it didn't even go through the portal. The only way this would be possible is if the Forerunners had a galaxy wide teleportation grid similar to the one we saw on Halo CE, but this would defeat the purpose of the portal.
The only believable location for Chief is by the Ark. Think about it. A Installation 04 was just fired. It makes perfect sense that the Forerunners would come to investigate the use of their Halo Array. I think the Legendary Planet is the Forerunner equivalent of High Charity (only on a much larger scale): a mobile city that they used as a refuge from the Milky Way after they fired the Array the first time. It also makes sense that they would be actively looking for a Reclaimer because only a Reclaimer can fire Halo. They probably found Chief's ship by using the device that the Covenant used to locate Forerunner Relics (humans are illuminated on this device with the Reclaimer Glyph). For the sake of continuity in the story line, I don't think that Chief and Cortana float for long before the Forerunners find them. Cortana would be dead after only a few years of floating, and Dr. Halsey and the rest of the SPARTANs would still be aging while Chief would not be in cryo sleep.




First of all I did not say in my opinion that he was 'teleported.' I simply said that others believe that is what happened.

Secondly, he could be anywhere in the universe. He doesn't have to be near the Ark at all. He might be but he doesn't have to be. Here is why.

The Ark is not inside the portal. It is in some other area of the universe. It works like say, for example, my front lawn is Earth, I walk through my front door which takes me through your front door onto your lawn which is the Ark. I'm not in your house/portal. It just acts as a gateway.

You also state that Forerunners would come looking for a Reclaimer because only a Reclaimer can fire the Halo array. How then, did the Forerunner fire them 100,000 years ago? They did it themselves.

Also, Cortana may very well exceed her operational lifespan by the time they get to Onyx, as per my theory.

The Spartans along with Dr. Halsey and Chief Mendez are inside a locallised Slipspace bubble inside the Dyson Sphere. It says that in Ghosts of Onyx. Therefore they would not age. At least not at the normal rate.


I'm well aware that the portal is not 3 dimensional. You're either through it or you're not. Arbiter was through it, Chief and Cortana were not. That means that they are still at the Ark. Period.
1. Cortana says, "We made it through just as the portal collapsed... well... some of us did." The 'some of us' being Arbiter.
2. Plus she says that when 04 fired, it 'did a number on the Ark', which means that Cortana could see the damage after Chief was knocked out.
3. We can see the Chief's half of the ship floating toward what appears to be the Small Magellanic Cloud, which is located between the Ark and the Galactic Plane of the Milky Way. Think of the Milky Way as a frisbee. On the Ark you can look to sky and see the Milky Way, which appears elliptical in shape. This means that we are looking at the underside of the 'frisbee'. The Small Magellanic Cloud is also on the underside of the Milky Way.
4. If Chief went through the portal, why did the ship get cut in half.

This all means that Chief MUST be by the Ark. Sure he could be anywhere else in the Milky Way too... as long as he had a few million years to float there.

"You also state that Forerunners would come looking for a Reclaimer because only a Reclaimer can fire the Halo array. How then, did the Forerunner fire them 100,000 years ago? They did it themselves."
No crap they did it themselves, THEY MADE THE ARRAY. They also made it so when they were gone, i.e. 100,000 years later, only a Reclaimer could once again fire the Array. Truth admitted to needing Johnson's help in the control room of the Ark. It requires the hand of a Forerunner, and remember "You are Forerunner"-343 Guilty Spark.

I doubt that if Chief comes back in the next game, that Cortana would not. That's why, short of some A.I. secret Cortana has learned to extend her life indefinitely, I believe they will not float for long.

The Dyson Sphere is inside the slipspace bubble... not the other way around. Slipspace... as far as humans know it... does not display the relativistic effects of our dimensions that make faster than light travel impossible. Why would ships need cryo sleep chambers if soldiers did not age during slipspace jumps. Soldiers do age in slipspace. However, the situation Blue team finds themselves in is different. It is possible that in the Forerunners slipspace bubble people do not age. I just know that people DO age in normal slipspace.

  • 03.17.2008 12:23 AM PDT

It's like those hip musicians with their complicated shoes!

If violets are blue, then what colour is violet?

Well mate it looks like we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

I understand where you're coming from when you say that because Chief didn't make it through the Portal he must still be near the Ark. I also understand about the Gallactic Plane and all.

One thing I would like to point out though is that in the Legendary ending, it is difficult to tell the size of the cloud as well as the Planet. The relative size of all the objects is hard to know for sure.

You say that the Small Magellanic Cloud is between the Ark and the Milky Way. If Chief could have drifted to the Cloud, he could have drifted to what is left of Onyx. Who knows, maybe none of them survived at all.

In my opinion, if Chief were to arrive at your destination, he still would not know about Onyx or the others and could very well have to wait even longer until he discovered Onyx. If, according to what you have stated in reply to my theory, they would be dead by the time he drifted to Onyx, in all probability they would be dead by the time Chief arrives at your location, learns about Onyx and then travells there by some other means.

In terms of what exactlly may be happening inside the Dyson Sphere we probably shouldn't speculate on that as we don't have enough information. They may have discovered something. A weapon, a defense system, some kind of Cryo or slipspace field. That we really don't know enough about.

I will also re-iterate on why I think it is Onyx. After the surface exploded, reavealing trillions of Sentinels beneath, the description in the book said it looked like a series of lines and dots and circles and squares. This sounds very similar to what we see in the Legendary ending.

  • 03.17.2008 3:37 AM PDT

To be clear, I think that the Legendary ending happens at least less than a year after Chief went into the cryo tube. I think the planet we see is a Forerunner version of High Charity, and that the Forerunners come to pick up John. This belief is based solely on the fact that any significant amount of drifting time would leave many key characters dead or still stranded with many questions left unanswered. I definitely think John will be reunited with the rest of Blue team, but he will need the Forerunners help. Onyx is in defensive mode, meaning that anyone wanting to access the Slipspace bubble at the core of the planet is going to have to go through the trillions of sentinels that make up the defensive sphere.

You're right... it is definitely possible that John's ship floated ALL the way back to the Milky Way to Onyx. Not very likely at all... but still possible. The chances of the ship floating back to that specific star system out of billions is inconceivably astronomical. The ship will be drawn toward the part of the galaxy with the most density since gravity is the only significant force acting on it. I think if it was going to float all the way back it would tend to shy toward the supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy rather than a small planet in a random star system than technically has virtually no mass compared to an actual planet.
I don't know exactly where Onyx is in the galaxy, but I calculated an average drifting time of about 2,621,342.8 years for the ship to drift all the way back to Onyx. This is of course if the ship is drifting at the speed of a MAC gun round at 30,000,000 m/s. After that much time the entire Human race would surely be gone, and the ship is certainly drifting MUCH slower than 1/10th the speed of light.


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  • 03.17.2008 7:53 AM PDT

Stunded, totally stunded,


{insert crickets noise here}

  • 03.17.2008 8:10 AM PDT

Thus I refute thee

The planet you see in the legendary ending is clearly forerunner simply because of the structure

  • 03.17.2008 8:24 AM PDT

It's like those hip musicians with their complicated shoes!

If violets are blue, then what colour is violet?

When I said that Chief could have floated all the way to Onyx, I was taking into consideration all the instances in the games and books where he is reffered to as being very lucky. That is really what I base it on. That and the description in the book.

You're right about gravity being the only significant force acting upon the ship, however, taking the gallactic plane and everything into account, we don't know the relative trajectory of the ship travelling away from the Ark towards the Milky Way.

But hey, keep it coming.

  • 03.17.2008 10:13 AM PDT
Subject: I have 100% Proof of where master chief is.

Jokes about deaths aren't funny.

Carter out.

If this is true, I can't WAIT for the next game.

  • 03.17.2008 5:08 PM PDT
Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.

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ok i give you credit for doing this but guys come on marathon has nothing to do with halo the picture that you call the com box is a simple radio nothing els

the portal colapsing would not have sent them through time or to a different univers it would have colapsed and propeled them in any number of directions this is a good theory but are you guys whanting it to be marathon gust so thear will be another game or is that the only explanatinon you can find.

  • 03.17.2008 5:22 PM PDT

It's like those hip musicians with their complicated shoes!

If violets are blue, then what colour is violet?

I don't believe they are related and I believe that at the moment there are a few explanations. So long as a theory makes sense, it is correct until proven otherwise.

I can't wait for the next game or book or Halo: Chronicles or whatever they decide to do either. I just want some closure on what happened to Chief, the survivors and the Forerunner.

  • 03.18.2008 1:14 AM PDT
Subject: I have 100% Proof of where master chief is.

''If you got them by their balls their hearts and minds will follow''-John wayne.

Ive heard other theories but this by far ranks in the top 2 out of all I heard.good theorie ch very good theorie at that.

  • 03.18.2008 1:22 AM PDT

It's like those hip musicians with their complicated shoes!

If violets are blue, then what colour is violet?

Which one? The OP?

  • 03.18.2008 3:25 AM PDT

Playing Halo Reach to Drum and Bass.

Posted by: sjanuary99
i would buy another game with master chief in it.


i -blam!- wouldn't, If they do something like a marathon remake hell yeah i'll probably buy it, but anything new with the master chief in it is just ruining the whole point to the ending


Bravo to a great theory although i'm still not buying it. You did quite well and obviously have a lot of time on your hands

  • 03.18.2008 3:40 AM PDT
Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.

Playing Halo Reach to Drum and Bass.

Posted by: TheBigJimboner
When I said that Chief could have floated all the way to Onyx, I was taking into consideration all the instances in the games and books where he is reffered to as being very lucky. That is really what I base it on. That and the description in the book.

You're right about gravity being the only significant force acting upon the ship, however, taking the gallactic plane and everything into account, we don't know the relative trajectory of the ship travelling away from the Ark towards the Milky Way.

But hey, keep it coming.


He wouldn't be very lucky to float all the way to onyx

[Edited on 03.18.2008 3:44 AM PDT]

  • 03.18.2008 3:42 AM PDT