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Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.

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The 'planetoid' at the center of the Ark is simply a giant ball of metal and various other matter that is used for constructing new Halos. When you are at the place with the big waterfall in front of you with Arbiter and Guilty Spark, you hear GS say something about a 'Forge' when he is looking at the schematic of the Ark. This is when he knew that his installation was being rebuilt. One of the Arks purposes is to rebuild destroyed constructs. To rebuild something as large as a Halo ring they would need a huge amount of matter. They built their 'Forge' around a giant ball of the material they needed to forge with. You can't get much more efficient than that!


Sounds good, but where did you get this info?--I mean--about the planetoid? Is this an educated guess (and a good one at that) based on Spark's monologue, or did you read this somewhere, or both? Just curious.


That was basically just an educated guess based on two really good pictures I have of the planetoid. If you can find a good picture, you can see that the surface of the planet is not a shere, and that layers have seemingly been cut from it one step at a time, making a staircase shape going down to the core of the planet in some spots. If the Forerunners can make an artificial star for the Ark, they can certainly manipulate large amounts of super-dense matter in this way. And I just realized that this information can also be found on Halopedia so I really didn't need to do all that thinking, but there you go.

  • 04.22.2008 10:56 PM PDT

dammit double post

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  • 04.22.2008 10:57 PM PDT
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who authorized you to give away the storyline of Marathon: the sister triology to the halo trilogy.
good facts though.
i actually hope bungie uses your ideas

  • 04.22.2008 11:09 PM PDT
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by the way how long did that take to write two hours?

  • 04.22.2008 11:10 PM PDT
Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.
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OMG someones been doing there research very well done good sir

  • 04.23.2008 4:18 AM PDT

There are soo many problems with this theory that it is almost impossible for it to be truth. First of all a portal is not a three dimensional object. It may appear to be a sphere, but in actuality it is just a 2d plane that separates two very different places. Unlike slipspace, there is no travel time to the Ark. It happens instantaneously. We can therefore make the conjecture, which should be quite obvious to anyone with sense, that you are either on one side of the portal, or you are on the other. There is no in between. This is why the ship is cut in half, and this is why Cortana is able to assess the damage done to the Ark while Chief is unconscious from the weak Halo Effect. They never left the Ark! Cortana even says, "We made it through just in time... well... some of us did." The 'some of us' refering to the Arbiter. Therefore, nothing could have possibly happened to transport them to another 'Universe'. Plus the theory that there are alternate universes to ours is the most extreme of speculations in the first place.

Even if they did 'change universes' (which sounds ridiculous just typing it), how do you explain the 175,000 to 200,000 lightyear displacement in 200 years. If the half ship was drifting at the speed of a MAC gun round (about 1/10th the speed of light, which is extremely unlikely!), it would still take ~1,902,587 years for them to reach Mars, and this is if they going 100 times faster than is possible for even a fully functional human vessel! Barring time travel, which is not possible in itself, they could not have covered this distance.

And the most convincing evidence of all: why would the most creative gaming company in the world spend all of this effort on a new series only to stifle their own creativity by following it with a remake of something they have already done. Completely implausible from all angles.

  • 04.23.2008 1:11 PM PDT

Posted by: EliteRockDog
Click here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon_(computer_game)
Here is a bit of info to add to the Theory just read the first couple of lines under storyline.
The next Halo video game will be a remake of the Marathon series just look at the ending of halo3..

It says the story for Marathon takes place around Mars...***Hint Hint thats the planet thats in the background of the end of Halo 3. And it also takes place around the same time..


Lol. It Takes place around Marathon which is one of Mars' moons. Get your facts strait. ITS FAR AWAY FROM MARS.

  • 04.23.2008 5:05 PM PDT
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i hope ur right

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I have to wonder what Bungie is thinking about all of these theories being brought up. They are probably laughing their pants off at how scientifically and analytically we interpret the legendary ending. Oh and btw, onyx's explosion only got rid of the crust of the planet. It is a shield world. Read the messages involved with the marathon man achievement on H3 and read the books a little more thoroughly. I have my own theory as to where chief is but I am not worthy to create fairy tales about something our rulers (Bungie... LOL) created

  • 04.23.2008 11:20 PM PDT
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I think Master Chief is in space.......
XD

  • 04.23.2008 11:35 PM PDT
Subject: Where in the world in Master Chief?. An extensive scientific theory.

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Posted by: SaMMus38
There are soo many problems with this theory that it is almost impossible for it to be truth. First of all a portal is not a three dimensional object. It may appear to be a sphere, but in actuality it is just a 2d plane that separates two very different places. Unlike slipspace, there is no travel time to the Ark. It happens instantaneously. We can therefore make the conjecture, which should be quite obvious to anyone with sense, that you are either on one side of the portal, or you are on the other. There is no in between. This is why the ship is cut in half, and this is why Cortana is able to assess the damage done to the Ark while Chief is unconscious from the weak Halo Effect. They never left the Ark! Cortana even says, "We made it through just in time... well... some of us did." The 'some of us' refering to the Arbiter. Therefore, nothing could have possibly happened to transport them to another 'Universe'. Plus the theory that there are alternate universes to ours is the most extreme of speculations in the first place.

Even if they did 'change universes' (which sounds ridiculous just typing it), how do you explain the 175,000 to 200,000 lightyear displacement in 200 years. If the half ship was drifting at the speed of a MAC gun round (about 1/10th the speed of light, which is extremely unlikely!), it would still take ~1,902,587 years for them to reach Mars, and this is if they going 100 times faster than is possible for even a fully functional human vessel! Barring time travel, which is not possible in itself, they could not have covered this distance.

And the most convincing evidence of all: why would the most creative gaming company in the world spend all of this effort on a new series only to stifle their own creativity by following it with a remake of something they have already done. Completely implausible from all angles.


He's right. And another thing: There is no way MC and Cortana would get to Mars (our next-door neighbor, need I remind you) let alone Onyx without them first entering UNSC controlled space and having their beacon detected by someone. By then, all the main characters would be dead except the Chief (if his cryo-pod survives that long without Cortana's ability to keep the the derilect ship's weak power line stable). Besides, that's not good for Bungie and marketing.

  • 04.24.2008 6:20 AM PDT
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Here's my theory: Theory

If you read it you can see that they are not in the Marathon Unniverse and they are probably in the Shield World

  • 04.24.2008 6:25 AM PDT
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nice try, but you are wrong.


good counter argument, i am convinced

  • 04.24.2008 6:27 AM PDT
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this is all theory

bungie can take the halo series anywhere they wish (even end it)

also it would be much easier to explain all your theorys with a time-line

  • 04.24.2008 6:59 AM PDT
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if that is so then y does the planet have forunner marking on it.
I think master chief gets to find the forerunners after they left our galaxy in shame. because they couldn't stop the flood soon enought. and in the terminals the forerunners talk of a great journey but theirs seems to physical so maybe they left the galaxy like the precursors before them

  • 05.05.2008 7:52 PM PDT

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Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

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Posted by: SaMMus38
There are soo many problems with this theory that it is almost impossible for it to be truth. First of all a portal is not a three dimensional object. It may appear to be a sphere, but in actuality it is just a 2d plane that separates two very different places. Unlike slipspace, there is no travel time to the Ark. It happens instantaneously. We can therefore make the conjecture, which should be quite obvious to anyone with sense, that you are either on one side of the portal, or you are on the other. There is no in between. This is why the ship is cut in half, and this is why Cortana is able to assess the damage done to the Ark while Chief is unconscious from the weak Halo Effect. They never left the Ark! Cortana even says, "We made it through just in time... well... some of us did." The 'some of us' refering to the Arbiter. Therefore, nothing could have possibly happened to transport them to another 'Universe'. Plus the theory that there are alternate universes to ours is the most extreme of speculations in the first place.

Even if they did 'change universes' (which sounds ridiculous just typing it), how do you explain the 175,000 to 200,000 lightyear displacement in 200 years. If the half ship was drifting at the speed of a MAC gun round (about 1/10th the speed of light, which is extremely unlikely!), it would still take ~1,902,587 years for them to reach Mars, and this is if they going 100 times faster than is possible for even a fully functional human vessel! Barring time travel, which is not possible in itself, they could not have covered this distance.

And the most convincing evidence of all: why would the most creative gaming company in the world spend all of this effort on a new series only to stifle their own creativity by following it with a remake of something they have already done. Completely implausible from all angles.


He's right. And another thing: There is no way MC and Cortana would get to Mars (our next-door neighbor, need I remind you) let alone Onyx without them first entering UNSC controlled space and having their beacon detected by someone. By then, all the main characters would be dead except the Chief (if his cryo-pod survives that long without Cortana's ability to keep the the derilect ship's weak power line stable). Besides, that's not good for Bungie and marketing.


How can you argue with the OP's theory, its a very good one. Even though the portal may be 2D that does not mean that when you enter it you will go straight to the other side. You can go through then there can be something in between. Even if they were still at the ark they would be dead because Halo fired and Cortana would have said so anyway. I agree with the OP 100%, great job man.

  • 05.06.2008 12:46 AM PDT

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  • 05.06.2008 12:57 AM PDT
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How can you argue with the OP's theory, its a very good one. Even though the portal may be 2D that does not mean that when you enter it you will go straight to the other side. You can go through then there can be something in between. Even if they were still at the ark they would be dead because Halo fired and Cortana would have said so anyway. I agree with the OP 100%, great job man.

Do you know what 2D means? No depth = nothing in between. If you're thinking some kind of slipspace tunnel in between (which SaMMus explained in more detail than I already had, isn't the case), that would still just dump them somewhere between the Ark and Earth, not into the Marathon universe.

Also, the Marathon left Mars 50 years before Halo starts. That destroys the OP theory by itself, though the theory could just as easily be torn apart from other directions as well.

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  • 05.06.2008 6:58 AM PDT

ANY VENUE I WILL END YOU

Posted by: SaMMus38
There are soo many problems with this theory that it is almost impossible for it to be truth. First of all a portal is not a three dimensional object. It may appear to be a sphere, but in actuality it is just a 2d plane that separates two very different places. Unlike slipspace, there is no travel time to the Ark. It happens instantaneously. We can therefore make the conjecture, which should be quite obvious to anyone with sense, that you are either on one side of the portal, or you are on the other. There is no in between. This is why the ship is cut in half, and this is why Cortana is able to assess the damage done to the Ark while Chief is unconscious from the weak Halo Effect. They never left the Ark! Cortana even says, "We made it through just in time... well... some of us did." The 'some of us' refering to the Arbiter. Therefore, nothing could have possibly happened to transport them to another 'Universe'. Plus the theory that there are alternate universes to ours is the most extreme of speculations in the first place.

Even if they did 'change universes' (which sounds ridiculous just typing it), how do you explain the 175,000 to 200,000 lightyear displacement in 200 years. If the half ship was drifting at the speed of a MAC gun round (about 1/10th the speed of light, which is extremely unlikely!), it would still take ~1,902,587 years for them to reach Mars, and this is if they going 100 times faster than is possible for even a fully functional human vessel! Barring time travel, which is not possible in itself, they could not have covered this distance.

And the most convincing evidence of all: why would the most creative gaming company in the world spend all of this effort on a new series only to stifle their own creativity by following it with a remake of something they have already done. Completely implausible from all angles.



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  • 05.06.2008 8:30 AM PDT

Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names. (quoted from J.F.K)

I like this theory. It's very thought out. I think if anyone has ever played Warhammer -- to some people think 40k and Warhammer are in the same time, and universe. Gameworkshop denies it for marketing reasons.

Another way of looking at is this. Imagen the Halo Universe as a Hotel. Then imagen each level of this hotel, each floor is it's own plain of existence each with its own set of rules and ways. Then imagen a line, zig zagging threw each floor. You may see something that is similar to another universe, aka the Marathon Universe. Maybe the same type of computer program name, but there is no solid link between the two. The only link they may actually have is the name it self and thats it.

I think part of the reason Bungie doesn't want to have Halo and Marathon universe combine is one for marketing ideas and secondly they just want theorys to spawn up every now and again, for the joy of doing one. We really dont have any idea as to what real links are until they release them, only good ideas as to what may or may not happen.

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  • 05.06.2008 8:43 AM PDT

ANY VENUE I WILL END YOU

I thought that in a differennt universe there would be no such thing as earth or mars...its a sperate place entirely


i think when people say this , there thinking of a different dimension ?

  • 05.06.2008 9:00 AM PDT

I beat the whole Legendary campaign without shooting just for fun. So if you're going to go on the forums and talk s**t about how hard Cortana was don't expect any sympathy from me. You know what? You suck at campaign. There I said it. ODST 4th Battalion & BTW -Ha! I win!

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He's probably with Carmen San Diego

  • 05.06.2008 9:01 AM PDT

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I thought that in a differennt universe there would be no such thing as earth or mars...its a sperate place entirely


i think when people say this , there thinking of a different dimension ?


Thats what I ment. dimension.

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I think this could very easily be true but.... even if not its correct it's theory with amazing proof and you could be right. I just love all of your proof.

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Wow thats some report you got there

  • 05.06.2008 9:25 AM PDT