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what if he turned -blam!-?
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i would buy another game with master chief in it.

  • 02.12.2008 6:46 PM PDT
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what if he turns -blam!-? Just saying.

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Taught never to retreat, never to surrender. Either come back with your sheild or on it.

wow someone has no life........ lol just kidding
thats really good research

  • 02.12.2008 6:49 PM PDT
Subject: I have 100% Proof of where master chief is. NEW PROOF!!!!!
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A VERY well thought out theory.
Bungie has had more suprising twists than LOST in my opinion
Congrats to Bungie I love you guys

  • 02.12.2008 7:03 PM PDT
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i thought it was an abbandoned brute planet that taturaous was dumb enough to leave

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this poof is correct cause in the begginning of haloCE the pillar of autumn has a marathon symbol on it nere the mac cannons on it
this is a real marathon symbol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v630/JustaBlondie/marathon_ logo.jpg


now this is capt keys jacket VIA red circle
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v630/JustaBlondie/untitled-1 .jpg

and the final picture is the side on the pillar of autumn

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v630/JustaBlondie/evidencev 2.jpg[text

so its true halo and marathon are over lapping



[Edited on 02.12.2008 7:13 PM PST]

  • 02.12.2008 7:07 PM PDT
Subject: I have 100% Proof of where master chief is. NEW PROOF!!!!!

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Posted by: Quadrant
All this other galaxy stuff. I think it's clear that we're not talking about that kind of distance. The milky way looks pretty clear and 'close' on the ark. who's seen Andromeda looking that sharp recently. Of course one of the magellanic clouds is a possibility but seen as that are hardly any wvisible stars from the ark compared to other locations in game I'd say the conclusions are that it's on the extreme edge or more likely in intergalactic space where it would be harder to find as well. Remeber it is probably the most imporatnt strategic possition in history!



I believe Quadrant hit the nail on the head there, I've theorized on the location of the Ark in other forums, threads and in groups before.

The image of our galaxy high in the sky during our missions on the ark would only be ascertainable from one of the nearby spacial bodies: such as the Large Magellanic Cloud, and the Small Magellanic Cloud. Bungie is also pretty careful about keeping their art direction somewhat representative of the actual form, and take enough artistic license to keep it stylistic. Hence, the bar center to our spiral galaxy, which is a scientifically recent revelation on our part.

Further evidence is the influence of science fiction stories that revolve around this particular cloud, first and foremost: Ringworld wherein the highly advanced race known as the Puppeteers seek refuge and travel to the Small Magellanic Cloud. In another science fiction work: The Forever War a significant battle rages above a planet in the Small Magellanic Cloud over a 'collapsar' ( a wormhole phenomenon that allows entire fleets to travel unimaginable distances in seconds.)


***********SPOILER WARNING************






Here is a video of the legendary ending of Halo 3, wherein we find the Chief and Cortana after the credits.

What we see from the trappings of our floating wreck of a boat is entirely unlike the Large Magellanic Cloud, but nearly identical to photos and mock-ups of the Small Magellanic Cloud. Were the conflicts in Halo 3 taking place within the Small Cloud, which I assume they were, this would most likely be the view of the SMC from an outlying section of the spacial body.

More evidence to support this theory comes from the rising of the sun beyond the mysterious planet in the closing seconds of the legendary ending. Seeing as how Bungie only gave us this foreboding scene with virtually no clues as to what this means for our heroes, there had to be something there. Perhaps this is grasping at straws, but the sun that rose was blue. The SMC being a relatively young dwarf galaxy, most, if not all of it's stars would be in the birthing stage. A stage characterized by the vibrant blue light the star will emit before maturing to yellow stage of mid-life.

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10.19.2007 2:48 AM PST




What Mike says here thoroughly disproves this theory. If you had a basic grasp of astronomy, you would realize that it can't be Mars. Our sun is yellow. The star in the ending is blue. Stars that shine blue are usually alot younger than stars that shine yellow, as Mike pointed out. How can our sun get younger? I tried to make this point earlier in this thread but nobody listened. Also, Mike pointed out that there is no nebula anywhere in the proximity of our solar system. He went on to say that drifting from such a far off nebula would take millions of years, not 200.

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There are too many stretches to make dots connect, mind reading as to what the writers aren't tell us and plain lousy physics. A colorful and thought out idea but little more than a zealous attempt to prove a personal theory. 0 outta 10


so what part of the Physics was lousy?

Because the last time I checked, the multiverse theory was developed by Einstein himself.

So, what? Your saying Einstein was wrong?

care to back that claim up?


You know if you read more, you would know that recently alot of his theories were proven wrong.


Agreed.

But this one, still holds true.

  • 02.12.2008 7:19 PM PDT
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good theory :)

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Posted by: JackDOG200
when you say a dif universe you mean to make it simpler to deez peeps a diff dimension i do believe. Like a seperate timeline where the unsc is changed a bit to what the Marathon universe is now. Its SciFi elementary people. Diff timelines going on at the same time we are going on. Another way to say it is alternate history or Harry Turtledoves books and shortstories make it clear that a little change made can alter a timeline for ever. Amazing isnt it?


Indeed.

In layman's terms:

The multiverse theory says that for every decision that could have, and could be made, there is a seperate universe parallel to our own.

And for all the decisions that could have, and could be made in all those other universes, there is again another universe, parallel to that one.

So basically, there is an infinite number of universes parallel to our own.

Or at least, that's how the theory goes.



Note that the above is only my interpretation, and if you wanna read more or didn't understand it, use wikipedia.

  • 02.12.2008 7:26 PM PDT
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Mars.



I don't think it worked.

  • 02.12.2008 7:28 PM PDT

I think you are very close to this mystery. Still something tells me this isn't a 100%. Good job mate! Gotta give you your props!

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Posted by: Kildar 2052
I would like to reiterate my earlier point. ]


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And it is not onyx because it was previously destroyed.
And it can ALSO not be onyx because MC was NOT sent back in time.


Playing devil's advocate here, I don't know or care one way or the other, but could it be possible that the Forerunners built more than one shield world like Onyx? The book stated that the Forerunner built the Dyson Sphere in Onyx to protect them from annihilation in the event of the activation of the rings. It doesn't make sense that the Forerunner would establish only one of these safe havens in the entire galaxy. More likely, they would be scattered about, so that if the rings were to be activated, Forefunner everywhere could quickly (relatively) make a dash for the protection of the nearest Shield World.


The point you seem to be mission is that the forerunner stratagys were always in threes as stated the the third book. If we assume that the ARK was part of the ring portion of the stratagy, and that the shild world was part of the defense, then that leaves the offensive part of the forerunners stratgy, Which could be one of three things

1. The planet seen in halo 3 could be a military stroghold/reasearch station
2. The planet seen in halo 3 could be a ship based on David Webers sphere ship designs in his heir to empire book
3. The planet seen in halo 3 could be a military boder patrol for a military complex

Either way it seems plausible that the cheif who has run into so much forerunner technology so far would be the most likely canndadate to find a little more = )


I reiterat my point again, it is obviously a forerunner artifact, porbably another of the rings, Or the aformentioned offensive portion of the forerunner plan to defeat the flood. I know that their are a lot of fans out there who wish that the halo 'universe' and that the marathon 'universe' became one, that it would be cool, awsome, awe inspiring, completly insane, ext. Well it just cant happen, if bungie went that route there would be too many loose ends, to many problems, and questions, like why marathon and not oni. Why not go to starcraft or star wars for that matter. Since NO ONE has pointed this out i will: THE BASIC THEORY OF MULTIPALE UNIVERSES IS THAT THERE IS NO END TO THE POSSIBILITY, WITH EVERY DESICION WE MAKE ANOTHER UNIVERSE IS CREATED AROUND THE DESICION WE DID NOT MAKE, THIS HAPPENS SEVERAL HUNDERED TIMES IN ARE LIFES, can you imagine what would happen then, the chief would be pulled inexerable into a well of probability, which would destroy him. that aside, for there to be a connection for marathon and halo there has to be a certain corrisponding factor for the two universes to corrispond. THERE ISNT. In the halo 'univers' the forerunners provide the missing link and influence humen evelotion, if we arnt them are-selvs, as far as i know without playing the marathon games this is not the case. Also from what i can tell in marathon they have no contact with any race of the halo covenent, wich, unless some differnt factor caused them not to evolve, they should have. and pluse with the current, and future use of dimond increasing there would have been more minning in africa, deeper and more expansive into the crust, So a civilazation that can hallow out a moon could easily dig deep enough to find the warp field projector under the earths crust left there by the foreruners, They did not, Which unless the forerunners did not evolve, wiped themselvs out becasue the flood did not evolve, or some other reason, means that the forerunners were never at earth, wich means a different eveolutionary pattern, which means that the cheif and the security guy are assentually different species, which means there can be not relation whatsoever between the so called 'universes'. And to the proponents of seperate universes who bring up the Shaw-Fujikarwa drive, its more of a dimensinal drive system than universal, which means you switch deminsions, not universes, since doing the latter would not transport you any faster than in your own universe.

P.S. David Weber has nothing on this stuff!!!!


P.S. THE LAST CRUSIER CAPITAL SHIP USED BY THE UNSC WAS A "MARATHON" CLASS.

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By the way, technically cortana created the cheif. With mental twists like that do you really think we have a snow balls chance of guessing what bungie is going to think up next.

  • 02.12.2008 7:43 PM PDT
Subject: I have 100% Proof of where master chief is. NEW PROOF!!!!!

I'm a serious dude, so what?

now, we all know how bungie handles their version of "hyperdrive" or "warp speed"; they use slipspace. their theory is that to move from one place to another quickly, one has to travel through an intermediate zone, kind of like a tunable wormhole.

this makes me question the separate universe theory, because as i see it, if the portal closed while the MC was in transit, but was close enough to the destination that half the ship made it back to earth, isn't it possible he's still in our universe? the question is how did the portal work? were there gateways that the portal's signal was channeled through, because if there were waypoints inside slipspace the portal was channeled through, perhaps the portal collapsed while the ship was inside, but half the ship was on the earth side, and the other half on some as-yet-to-be-determined side. what if mars was the first (or last) way point? if you also notice, at the end of the legendary ending (and i've had many question about this planet) there is a planet that the ship is 'behind' (relative to the nearby star). what if that planet is mars? what if the ship is spiraling downward towards mars, with their distress beacon blocked by the planet?

[edit] did they even have a functioning distress beacon?

i'm definitely hopeful for a resurrection of the marathon series, the way i see it, at least the second person in co-op would be human!

-brady

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  • 02.12.2008 8:05 PM PDT

I'm a serious dude, so what?

oh, and if there are multiple universes, just remember; there's no way to get to them. once inside a universe, there ain't no gettin' out.

-brady

  • 02.12.2008 8:09 PM PDT

Jiggle me!

Well, aren't portals like a tunnel? As they went through, maybe the "tunnel" broke in half, slicing the ship in two. Arbiter kept going through the tunnel and Chief stayed where the break was, making them a distance apart.

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how did halo 3 end?, How did MArathon End?

Same Way Phinox Ended.

  • 02.12.2008 8:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: Apollo Running
What Mike says here thoroughly disproves this theory. If you had a basic grasp of astronomy, you would realize that it can't be Mars. Our sun is yellow. The star in the ending is blue. Stars that shine blue are usually alot younger than stars that shine yellow, as Mike pointed out. How can our sun get younger? I tried to make this point earlier in this thread but nobody listened. Also, Mike pointed out that there is no nebula anywhere in the proximity of our solar system. He went on to say that drifting from such a far off nebula would take millions of years, not 200.


Thank you! Ugh...


Here is my collective response on this through multiple posts...

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Posted by: sltungle
No body seemed to notice my post which cleared up the whole star thing :(



That's because I cleared it up a long time ago ;-)

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The planet does look forerunner, so I think it's definitely possible that it could be Earth when the forerunners were trying to build the final solution to kill the flood.



No. The Earthen sun is yellowish-orange. The sun we see come over the horizon of the planet in the cutscene is blue - a much hotter sun than Earth's sun.



Thanks even more proof to my theory.

As a star gets older it changes color from blue to yellowish-orange( the sun today).
The star rising up behind it is blue because it is younger than the sun today.



that's actually not an entirely accurate statement. Color is not determined by age, and not all 'young' stars are blue or even start out blue. If a sun is blue, it usually remains blue throughout the course of it's lifetime. Once there becomes a serious lack of hydrogen to burn, it will steadily cool and form into a red giant (this process of course takes thousands of millions of years in itself). The color of a star is primarily determined by MASS, and not age. In almost all cases, blue stars are much much larger than milder yellowish stars and won't begin to first grow (into a red giant) and then shrink (into a white dwarf) until there is a lack of hydrogen.

It doesn't seem likely that, over the time frame between Forerunner existence and human existence, that our sun would have been blue, and suffered such a reduction in mass (due to AGE, as you say) that would cause it to appear as the yellowish star that it is today. That's just way too quick of a cool down period. And even so, the only way for it to lose that much mass would mean that it was in high gear red giant mode, shedding off its layers.

As a side note, I seriously doubt Bungie considers these kind of complicated details when they make a cutscene, so for what it's worth, ANYTHING is possible here. Master Chief could be Chuck Norris, who knows.



Posted by: Hydrilus
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1. Stars do change color with age.
2. How do you know how long the time span was between forerunner and human existence?
3. Do you work for Bungie? Didn't think so...




1.) I never said that stars didn't change color with age, I said that color is primarily determined by the star's MASS - which does not change (in its' lifetime before red giant) to the extent that it'd have to, in order to become a G2 class star (like the Earthen Sun). MASSIVE STARS = BLUE, SMALLER STARS = YELLOWISH So what you're saying is that our Earthen Sun went from super large blue, to much smaller yellow. Which brings us to the next debate regarding the timespan between Forerunner existence and human existence...

2.) I've seen some people talk about 12,000 years going by, the halos first being fired 100,000 years before Halo 3 - point is, even if 100,000 MILLION years went by, that's still not enough time for the sun to change its' MASS, so much that it would go from straight-friggin blue (like in the cut scene) to its' current state of yellow.

3.) What kind of question is that? Are you trying to prove something? I don't think you work for Bungie either, so all you're proving here is that you don't know anything more than the average forum troll does. What you have for a theory is purely speculation that, even if Bungie DOES actually take complicated details regarding stars into account when making a cut scene, is being dis-proven because a star is simply not going to do what it would HAVE to do in order for your theory to work.



Good idea, but this thread has been done since page 3.

  • 02.12.2008 8:17 PM PDT

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IF THEY WERE AT MARS CANT WE FIND HIM LIKE REALY EASLY I MEAN ITS IN OUR SOLER SYSTEM

You have to remember that Mankind has just lost more then 99.9% of it's population

that was africa that was flooded plus if 99.9% of the pop. was gone there would not be enough people to even repopulate the earth...BTW

Also on topic, Bungie does exactly what RARE does: Example: just because banjoe-kazuoi has a statue in Viva Pinata and banjoes head is in Conker doesnt mean that conker really decapitated banjoe or that magical Pinatas exist in banjoes world. thank you

I was talking about since the Human-Covenant war began. The Covenant has knocked the humans back to Earth when they used to live on many, MANY more. Therefore, they probably have around 1% or less of their original population.

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Wow i did not follow that but it sounds smart so its probally right...... personally i hope MC isnt dead..... but if you really read that.... i am 100% sure that you are a nerd.... you spent too much time on it i think, but whatever nice theory

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I Just said that on my earlier post. No one ever reads it. =(
Posted by: brrrayday
oh, and if there are multiple universes, just remember; there's no way to get to them. once inside a universe, there ain't no gettin' out.

-brady

  • 02.12.2008 9:25 PM PDT
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Once again

Posted by: Kildar 2052
By the way, technically cortana created the cheif. With mental twists like that do you really think we have a snow balls chance of guessing what bungie is going to think up next.

  • 02.12.2008 9:31 PM PDT
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I get your point overall, but you need to state it differently for the majority of people out there who will probobly not understand what you mean at first glance. Plus i think its more like 2% since there were a lot of uncharted colonys and such if you read the books.
Thanks for the point DeadlyHeratic

  • 02.12.2008 9:41 PM PDT