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One of the biggest problems with the people of Bungie.net is that for some reason, whenever they see someone's weaknesses, vulnerabilities, or shortcomings, they will attack it HARD. I mean, these people just go absolutely crazy. Everyone just gangs up, and brings the person down in as many ways as they can.

This is what I've gathered from my observations in the year and a half I've spent here, and you cannot tell me I'm wrong. So don't go off on any long-winded tangents unrelated to anything on-topic. Just tell me. Why?

  • 10.22.2007 4:49 PM PDT

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  • 10.22.2007 4:58 PM PDT
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The same reason why evil middle school girls exclude each other.

  • 10.22.2007 5:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Survival of the fittest, Darwin. Human nature, Descartes. Power of associations, De Tocqueville.

That about covers the basics.

~B.B.


This isn't the Congo, it's a video game forum. There's no need to be so antisocial and aggressive.

  • 10.22.2007 5:01 PM PDT

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--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Actually they are probably more civil to each other in the Congo. Here, on an anonymous forum board, you can be a jerk with little or no ramifications. The ability to do something is only limited by the desire to avoid negative responses. When there aren't really anything preventing you from being a jerk, people will feel more inclined to do so.

Why people feel to be jerks, now that is a philosophical question for the ages.

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  • 10.22.2007 5:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mattbluhalofan
One of the biggest problems with the people of Bungie.net is that for some reason, whenever they see someone's weaknesses, vulnerabilities, or shortcomings, they will attack it HARD. I mean, these people just go absolutely crazy. Everyone just gangs up, and brings the person down in as many ways as they can.

This is what I've gathered from my observations in the year and a half I've spent here, and you cannot tell me I'm wrong. So don't go off on any long-winded tangents unrelated to anything on-topic. Just tell me. Why?

In short: You're wrong.

  • 10.22.2007 5:07 PM PDT
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I like you Matt, not only because your from Oregon, but because I know that your at least a respectful member. I notice that you have actually posted a number of threads similar to this. I know it sucks that people can be jerks on the forums. Its the way it is on the interwebs, just report anything too harsh to a mod.

  • 10.22.2007 5:23 PM PDT
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Don't limit it to this community.
You might as well be questioning human nature.

  • 10.22.2007 5:35 PM PDT

Posted by: Mattbluhalofan
Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Survival of the fittest, Darwin. Human nature, Descartes. Power of associations, De Tocqueville.

That about covers the basics.

~B.B.


This isn't the Congo, it's a video game forum. There's no need to be so antisocial and aggressive.


Instead of casually throwing aside what BB said, digest it.

It IS human nature when in conflict with someone, to find their weakness and attack it. Think of B.net as a community, yes an extremely dysfunctional community, but one none the less. When two people are discussing, arguing, flaming, attacking, whatever you want to call it, it's in our DNA to go for the jugular. This is especially true of young people who haven't quite developed that disconnect or filter of blurting out the first thing to hurt the other person. So if someone disagrees with them, they attack.

Also, as many people have said before, perceived anonymity causes some people to be overly aggressive and mean. Members say things they'd never say if the person was face to face.

  • 10.22.2007 6:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: atomic weggie
Instead of casually throwing aside what BB said, digest it.


I didn't "casually throw it away".

It IS human nature when in conflict with someone, to find their weakness and attack it. Think of B.net as a community, yes an extremely dysfunctional community, but one none the less. When two people are discussing, arguing, flaming, attacking, whatever you want to call it, it's in our DNA to go for the jugular. This is especially true of young people who haven't quite developed that disconnect or filter of blurting out the first thing to hurt the other person. So if someone disagrees with them, they attack.

But there aren't even conflicts to begin with! It's like the difference between hitting someone in self-defense, and hitting someone just because you had a mood swing and it felt like the right thing to do. A person here can post something totally innocent (walking down the street), and a bunch of people here will totally ambush him or her (random attack due to mood swing, etc.).

So, there you are, superstar.

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It is, honestly, a raw expression of human (particularly teenage) nature. Less inhibitions and zero physical discouragement = underhanded conflict. It's the perfect environment for taking cheap shots.

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Posted by: Mattbluhalofan
Posted by: atomic weggie
Instead of casually throwing aside what BB said, digest it.


I didn't "casually throw it away".

It IS human nature when in conflict with someone, to find their weakness and attack it. Think of B.net as a community, yes an extremely dysfunctional community, but one none the less. When two people are discussing, arguing, flaming, attacking, whatever you want to call it, it's in our DNA to go for the jugular. This is especially true of young people who haven't quite developed that disconnect or filter of blurting out the first thing to hurt the other person. So if someone disagrees with them, they attack.

But there aren't even conflicts to begin with! It's like the difference between hitting someone in self-defense, and hitting someone just because you had a mood swing and it felt like the right thing to do. A person here can post something totally innocent (walking down the street), and a bunch of people here will totally ambush him or her (random attack due to mood swing, etc.).

So, there you are, superstar.


Those people snickering behind your back as you walk past.... those people who laugh at you because of the things you enjoy.... those people who you hear whispering about someone as you're sitting behind them... those people stop bothering to be subtle on the internet.

The world doesn't care if you're a good person on the inside. The world thinks you're an idiot. It just so happens that we haven't developed the technology to punch someone in the face over the internet, so people can say whatever they want with no fear of retribution.

Yes, that's right. The only thing keeping people from acting like this in real life is the fear of getting punched in the face (or shot, for that matter). The people on the internet are not better than the people in real life, they ARE the people in real life. They just show their true faces when they get behind a keyboard.

No, not everyone is a jerk. But yeah, most people are.

  • 10.22.2007 7:33 PM PDT

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  • 10.22.2007 7:38 PM PDT
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The red pill is definitely over-rated.

  • 10.22.2007 7:41 PM PDT

If you don't got it, you want it. If you got it, you want more of it. Of course if you don't know what it is, it's hard to get any in the first place.

I yearn for a giant button that lets me kick jerks off the internet. Makes their computer explode, shoots a boot of the monitor, anything.

Was playin a game of H3 today, and due to the nature of dorms, had to share the screen with the biggest jerk I've had the misfortune of hanging around.

He was a MLG player, whined that he couldn't BXR, and there was a constant stream of smack coming out of his smelly mouth. I was afraid to even be in the same party as the guy just to loose reputation points by association. He was unpleasant to be around, and he smelled to boot! I wish the mute button existed in real life.

  • 10.22.2007 7:46 PM PDT

Posted by: Anton P Nym
Once you reconcile yourself to the realisation that humans are still primates, human behaviour makes a lot more sense.


So that's why my mother-in-law keeps throwing feces at me when she's angry.

But Steve's right. In the end, we are no more than primates that have learned to lie and put on a nice act....................... when in reality we're pointing and laughing at you inside.

Internet = no more having to hide our aggression.

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I hope humans never evolve beyond this. It's too much fun to watch!

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Posted by: Mattbluhalofan
But there aren't even conflicts to begin with! It's like the difference between hitting someone in self-defense, and hitting someone just because you had a mood swing and it felt like the right thing to do. A person here can post something totally innocent (walking down the street), and a bunch of people here will totally ambush him or her (random attack due to mood swing, etc.).

I know that this bothers you because, like Thing1, I've noticed your several posts about this issue over the past few months.

It's a harsh world, but the advantage here is that nobody knows anybody else. Why take personal offense at anything that an anonymous child types into a computer? He doesn't intend personal offense -- he is taking out his teenage aggression on an unseen, faceless bunch of words on an LCD monitor. What he types, although it can be seen by you, has nothing to do with you in reality. The proof of this is already evident in this thread, where numerous people have quite accurately pointed out that these are things that nobody would say to your face. That's not only because of fear, but because it's not personal. The fact that you can read what he says, and that he has addressed it to you, has nothing to do with the reasons for his words or the force with which they are written.

With the "why" answered, I wanted to quickly mention that I've hardly seen any insults on these forums that are particularly acidic or cruel. BNet has never really been a place for the faint-of-heart and, with the points that I mentioned in the last paragraph, I think that the level of personal offense that can or should be taken from any particular insult is relatively low compared to what a lot of people tend to encounter in more everyday settings (especially school). There are only a handful of members here who I think are truly sharp enough to really insult somebody so badly that the person could legitimately take severe personal offense. It's not easy to do that here -- what is your average 15-year-old hormone-and-emotion-filled anonymous internet poster going to say that's THAT bad, really? Something about someone's mother who he doesn't actually know? Something about how someone sucks at Halo, or has bad taste in music? For the person who is easily offended and capable of taking anonymous internet statements personally, Bungie.net is probably not the place for them. And I don't mean that at you, Matt, because you're clearly able to handle being here. I mean it generally.

Unlike some real-life communities, the great part about these forums is that, if the style of conversation doesn't suit your tastes, you can just leave. Once again, I don't mean that in a harsh "get out" kind of way -- I just mean that nothing said here is so terrible that you should take personal offense (although I DO understand that a lot of people do), and if you do take personal offense at the things that are said here, you always have the option to go elsewhere. Which is, by and large, a good thing.

  • 10.23.2007 10:51 AM PDT

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The human brain ia capable of handling a community on a personal level of roughly 100 or so individuals. This is their "sphere" of comfort. Introduce new people, and they simply become faceless objects.

This is why we have government. Humans aren't designed to be able to support a large scale community. We need others to handle a small group, others to handle the small groups, and others to handle the handlers of the small groups.

When you've got Umpteen thousand individuals all interacting with each other, there is only a small percentage that you can view as actual persons, with feelings, desires, etc.

I know I have the problem myslef. I do my best to over come this. The best way, I find, is to be as objective and impersonal to most. Stay out of their way, and don't try to impose yourself on them.

It's been working well enough.

  • 10.23.2007 11:01 AM PDT

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It's human nature to make yourself feel better, even at the expense of other's. Once you overcome that (and most never will), then you're truly something else. ;)

  • 10.23.2007 11:09 AM PDT

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It's human nature to make yourself feel better, even at the expense of other's.


I always feel better at your expense Zag.

Thank you,


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  • 10.23.2007 11:14 AM PDT