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Subject: Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: AblativeMeatshld
Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: AblativeMeatshld
You never posting again would raise the level of debate on this site.


Call me an ass if you will, but you doing the very thing that we're trying to solve has some level of irony, no?

Ok...

You're an ass.

...

The hell purpose did that serve? :)


You're response to him seemed rather hostile; much more than what would seem necessary.

  • 10.26.2007 3:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: prometheus25
You're response to him seemed rather hostile; much more than what would seem necessary.

I tend to get mean after I write a small essay on the subject of "you don't pay for matchmaking".

Stupidity makes me all kinds of stabby.

  • 10.26.2007 5:39 PM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
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--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: Vaderhater027
Posted by: AblativeMeatshld
Ask your high school teacher if it's legal to yell fire in a crowded theater.

It's you assuming things like this that gets people pissed off at you and destroys any credibility you might have had.

And no, you can't be arrested for saying something. Apparently the actual text from the Bill of Rights isn't enough to convince you, so let be simplify it.
The piece of paper that defines all laws in America says there can't be laws that say you can't say things.
Did you get that?


Just to throw my 2 cents in. The underlined sections you posted are COMPLETELY WRONG. What Meatshield posted is actually one example of something that will get you arrested for speech. (Schenck v. US in 1919). The case was later "overturned" and respecified. That case is Brandenburg v. Ohio 1969, something I know a WHOLE lot about. I wrote a 25 page paper on the evolution of "speech" as part of my undergrad Poli-Sci degree. Essentially the First Amendment protects your right to say something, however it does NOT absolve you of legal ramifications that may come from that speech. You are "free" to say something but you can be held responsible for it if it violates the law. And for the record, there are laws that limit speech.

I still don't see what the problem is with banning people from Matchmaking for 48 hours? Is that seriously that big of a punishment? I cannot believe that people think that it's a huge deal. This isn't prison time. This isn't community service even. It's you can't play one aspect of ONE video-game for 2 days. Come on. That's not even that big of a deal, and if you think it is, you have some serious priority problems.

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  • 10.26.2007 5:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: AblativeMeatshld
Posted by: jessHAZ
I disagree completely. Hell if I'm going to have some power hungry moderator (not about anyone specifically) take away something that I pay for legitimately out of my own wallet. I'd never post in the public forums if this went into effect.

*slap*

You. Don't. Pay. For. Match. Making.

You never posting again would raise the level of debate on this site.

I don't? So I suppose the $500+ I spent on a 360 and Halo 3 in order to play matchmaking don't count? Or have they started handing out 360s on street corners now?

  • 10.26.2007 6:14 PM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
Posted by: Langley
--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

You paid $500+ for an Xbox360 and a copy of Halo 3. Not matchmaking. That's like saying you bought an entry key to the Halo 3 Delta that was paired with Crackdown. No, you bought Crackdown, the Halo 3 Delta key was included with it.

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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
You paid $500+ for an Xbox360 and a copy of Halo 3. Not matchmaking. That's like saying you bought an entry key to the Halo 3 Delta that was paired with Crackdown. No, you bought Crackdown, the Halo 3 Delta key was included with it.

~B.B.

No, removing denying someone access to matchmaking is taking away (a rather large) portion of the game. You're basically taking away online multilayer, which is a pretty vital part of Halo 3 (yes I know there are custom games, but MM is by the far the most played) for something the person may have said on an online forum which in no way affects how they play in MM.

  • 10.26.2007 6:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: jessHAZ
No, removing denying someone access to matchmaking is taking away (a rather large) portion of the game. You're basically taking away online multilayer, which is a pretty vital part of Halo 3 (yes I know there are custom games, but MM is by the far the most played) for something the person may have said on an online forum which in no way affects how they play in MM.

While I agree on the point that what is said here does not necessarily give cause to ban from Matchmaking, you're still wrong on the fact that matchmaking is what you payed for.

Matchmaking is a bonus. A really sexy bonus. A perk, if you will.

  • 10.26.2007 6:42 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: SS_Zag1
Posted by: jessHAZ
No, removing denying someone access to matchmaking is taking away (a rather large) portion of the game. You're basically taking away online multilayer, which is a pretty vital part of Halo 3 (yes I know there are custom games, but MM is by the far the most played) for something the person may have said on an online forum which in no way affects how they play in MM.

While I agree on the point that what is said here does not necessarily give cause to ban from Matchmaking, you're still wrong on the fact that matchmaking is what you payed for.

Matchmaking is a bonus. A really sexy bonus. A perk, if you will.


Well...the back of the box does say "Xbox Live Multiplayer 2-16". Technically, the box says you're buying online play.

Now, of course, Bungie would be forced to introduce a new ToU, and have every person who have bought the game to agree to it. That alone would cause all sorts of legal trouble.

  • 10.26.2007 6:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: prometheus25
Well...the back of the box does say "Xbox Live Multiplayer 2-16". Technically, the box says you're buying online play.

Yes. An Intricate Matchmaking System? No.


They could've just given us custom games, the ability to host our own ranked matches, and our friends list. That would've been sad, but standard. ;)

[Edited on 10.26.2007 7:04 PM PDT]

  • 10.26.2007 7:03 PM PDT
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Do mods not have to close their own thread? We did agree this was never, ever going to happen right? Close it already.

The mods close threads with actual merit all the time, why not shut this one down?

  • 10.26.2007 7:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: CNC360
Do mods not have to close their own thread? We did agree this was never, ever going to happen right? Close it already.

I do believe we're still discussing the possibilities of having Optimatch and the like be only accessable to accounts with linked gamertags. Of course, if Achilles (or another mod) decides it should be closed, who's to argue? As you say below, they basically run wild on the forums with no restraint.


The mods close threads with actual merit all the time, why not shut this one down?

That's not necessarily true. There's a point where the people discussing the topic, whether it had merit or not to begin with, ruin all the merit the thread might hypothetically have.

  • 10.26.2007 7:41 PM PDT

"But you were dead a thousand times. Hopeless encounters successfully won. A man long dead, grafted to machines your builders did not understand. You follow the path, fitting into an infinite pattern. Your to manipulate, destroy and rebuild. Now, in the quantum moment before closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time. I know who you are. You are destiny."

I have some awkward feeling that this thread is becoming off-topic.

~`Cortana

PS - And yes. Users without a XBL Gold linked GT should not be able to post in Optimatch. Simply because Optimatch could potentially be changing Matchmaking. Why should those who can't play MM be allowed to suggest anything. They haven't even played it. <__<


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  • 10.27.2007 9:54 AM PDT

oh yes.

If I could potentially be banned from MM because of what I say here, I would stop visiting B.net.

  • 10.27.2007 2:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: t3h face sauce
If I could potentially be banned from MM because of what I say here, I would stop visiting B.net.


If you're the kind of person who could be potentially banned from b.net for your behaivour, is that necessarily a bad thing?

  • 10.27.2007 2:49 PM PDT
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Gz, I'd kill the whole world for you




3-19-07

Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: t3h face sauce
If I could potentially be banned from MM because of what I say here, I would stop visiting B.net.


If you're the kind of person who could be potentially banned from b.net for your behaivour, is that necessarily a bad thing?

Honestly, if you fear having an MM ban, 'cause you might get baned here, you probably shouldn't post anyway.

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getting banned from mm for what you say here would be like getting your fishing license revoked because you were caught shoplifting, it doesn't make sense

getting banned here for what you do in the forum, and likewise get banned from mm for what you do in mm, theres no point in mixing the two.

what a person says on a forum shouldn't affect him in mm.a person's opinion, abusive language or the sort on the forum should be dealt with within the forum and the same in mm,

oh well, thats just my opinion anyway, as i fell down every branch of the ugly tree.




[Edited on 10.27.2007 11:25 PM PDT]

  • 10.27.2007 11:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: mattbowerman
getting banned from mm for what you say here would be like getting your fishing license revoked because you were caught shoplifting, it doesn't make sense


Erm. No, that makes perfect sense. You abuse one privelege and have another revoked as punishment. How does that not make sense?

  • 10.28.2007 9:43 AM PDT
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And the Shadow fell upon the Land, and the World was riven stone from stone. The oceans fled, and the mountains were swallowed up, and the nations were scattered to the eight corners of the World. The moon was blood, and the sun was as ashes. The seas boiled, and the living envied the dead. All was shattered, and all but memory lost, and one memory above all others, of him who brought the Shadow and the Breaking of the World. And him they named Dragon.

I don't even know what this thread is about anymore.
Can someone fill me in? :P

  • 10.28.2007 1:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: Reiginko
Good to see at least somebody takes this place seriously

I am sincerely disappointed in everyone except JIMH. JIMH, have a gold star.


',:\ IF YA SAHMELLLL

Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: mattbowerman
getting banned from mm for what you say here would be like getting your fishing license revoked because you were caught shoplifting, it doesn't make sense
Erm. No, that makes perfect sense. You abuse one privelege and have another revoked as punishment. How does that not make sense?
Because they are not necessarily connected. Punishments should fit the crime.

[Edited on 10.28.2007 1:45 PM PDT]

  • 10.28.2007 1:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: JesusismyHomey
Because they are not necessarily connected. Punishments should fit the crime.


Bollocks!

Of course they're connected. Matchmaking and the Forums are both services that bungie provide, but are not obliged to. Abuse of one service is a perfectly legitimate reason to ban you from the other service.

  • 10.28.2007 2:47 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

I say a ban from MM means a ban from the forums, but not the other way around. This would keep pricks from whining about their bans in the forums. However, as stupid as some of these trolls are here, I don't think they should be banned from MM. Personally, I would love to see that happen; I have zero tolerance for stupid people. However, they did pay for the game, which means as long as they don't violate Bungie's or XBL's rules in MM (not on the forums), they're entitled to the ability to play on XBL.

The two services are indeed connected, but not enough to warrant such a punishment. They're connected arbitrarily, through stats and screenshots and such. Being a douche on the forums doesn't affect anyone's gameplay experience on Live, and vice versa.

See, I'd love for the guy that posted "newb pwners only!!!!1" to be banned from MM until 2552, but I know that won't happen. *sigh*

[Edited on 10.28.2007 4:54 PM PDT]

  • 10.28.2007 4:42 PM PDT

Being on-topic is not my style. I prefer to be around the topic, beside it, or all up in the topics grill.

Posted by: Achilles1108
As to the other forums (Halo 3, Halo 2) I am not so certain. People with accounts and no XBL should be able to interact on those topics, IMO.
I guess the Halo 2 forum is dead enough now so it would not be needed. The Halo 3 forum could be converted into seperate Campaign and Multplayer forums and have access restricted in the Multiplayer one.


I too was a little iffy on the idea of having the said requirements to be able to post in the H3 section. However, the idea of having two seperate Halo 3 forums(MP and Campaign) and the MP being restircted to Linked XBL Gold Members sounds like a good way to avoid fuss. I never did like the idea of people commenting on Halo's XBL multiplayer when they don't even have an XBL account.

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Then they soon discover that being silenced by some BOG (Bad Old Guy) hurts just as much as getting spawn killed by some BK.

I also thought that post was funny but mostly because Recon said BK. I just picture som BOG at a fast food window calling some lady a BK for messing up his order lol.

[Edited on 10.29.2007 1:01 AM PDT]

  • 10.29.2007 12:49 AM PDT
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Just keep it with Achronos and the Bungie Employees. I agree with the MM ban for the most persistent offenders, but not for a pedestrian offense.

However, I would go as far as to giving it to Master Moderators.

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Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: JesusismyHomey
Because they are not necessarily connected. Punishments should fit the crime.


Bollocks!

Of course they're connected. Matchmaking and the Forums are both services that bungie provide, but are not obliged to. Abuse of one service is a perfectly legitimate reason to ban you from the other service.


no it's not.

you abuse one service get banned from that service. sounds simple enough to me. your making it unnecessarily complicated

  • 11.17.2007 2:51 PM PDT

It seems like a very good, plausible solution to many things on B.net, however, the legality of such is questionable(Giving volunteers the power to prevent paying customers from using a service by way of internet shenanigans)

  • 11.17.2007 3:46 PM PDT