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Subject: Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Chill out.

Posted by: AblativeMeatshld
The 1st Amendment protects your right to free speech in regards to actions/laws from the Federal Government.

I hope that helps you understand why what you said was so epicly retarded.


Posted by: United States Constitution
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


Actually, you can't be arrested for saying something. You can be detained to prevent you from doing something, if something you said (along with other things) is probable cause that you would do that something. i.e.- saying "I'm going to shoot the President" implies that you want to shoot the President, and the government can stop people who want to shoot the President. You can't be arrested for saying something.

That's not my point. My point is that Forum Ninjas shouldn't have the power to ban you from online play.

  • 10.25.2007 9:21 AM PDT

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Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: Vaderhater027
That's not my point. My point is that Forum Ninjas shouldn't have the power to ban you from online play.


That decision would be Bungie's, though; the government would be powerless to stop them. Everything about it is Bungie's property: the servers, the game data, etc. They could take away any service that you didn't pay for.

That's not to say they can't take away things you have paid for, though. If they wanted to ban you from Halo 3 online entirely for permanent blacklists, they could, but it would be necessary for them to get anyone who's baught the game so far to agree to a new Terms of Use. The amount of effort and legal work required would be tremendous compared to the results, so it would never happen.

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Posted by: Vaderhater027
Posted by: AblativeMeatshld
The 1st Amendment protects your right to free speech in regards to actions/laws from the Federal Government.

I hope that helps you understand why what you said was so epicly retarded.


Posted by: United States Constitution
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


Actually, you can't be arrested for saying something. You can be detained to prevent you from doing something, if something you said (along with other things) is probable cause that you would do that something. i.e.- saying "I'm going to shoot the President" implies that you want to shoot the President, and the government can stop people who want to shoot the President. You can't be arrested for saying something.

That's not my point. My point is that Forum Ninjas shouldn't have the power to ban you from online play.

Ask your high school teacher if it's legal to yell fire in a crowded theater.

Certain forms of speech are illegal, and thus restricted. If you threaten the President, you will be detained and questioned. They aren't questioning you to prevent you from carrying out your stated desire, but to see if you DO intend on following through on your stated desire. Even saying the threat is a crime, they just don't usually arrest the wackjobs who are just saying it for attention.

And my point wasn't that you could be arrested for saying something, but rather while you are here you have only the rights Bungie feels like you should have.

In your case, I believe they should re-evaluate that value down a bit.

  • 10.25.2007 9:43 AM PDT
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Posted by: Vaderhater027
That's not my point. My point is that Forum Ninjas shouldn't have the power to ban you from online play.


That decision would be Bungie's, though; the government would be powerless to stop them. Everything about it is Bungie's property: the servers, the game data, etc. They could take away any service that you didn't pay for.

That's not to say they can't take away things you have paid for, though. If they wanted to ban you from Halo 3 online entirely for permanent blacklists, they could, but it would be necessary for them to get anyone who's baught the game so far to agree to a new Terms of Use. The amount of effort and legal work required would be tremendous compared to the results, so it would never happen.

That means that they would have to pay them and give them actual power over Matchmaking because as of now they are just trusted users, not employees.

Hardly a need to pay.

All they would need to do is give them some form of compensation. A unique user-pic would qualify, so long as they agreed.

But it is a moot point. Big A has said the best hope of retards going away in MM won't happen.

Back to my plans for IQ-based sterilization...

  • 10.25.2007 9:45 AM PDT

Chill out.

Posted by: AblativeMeatshld
Ask your high school teacher if it's legal to yell fire in a crowded theater.

It's you assuming things like this that gets people pissed off at you and destroys any credibility you might have had.

And no, you can't be arrested for saying something. Apparently the actual text from the Bill of Rights isn't enough to convince you, so let be simplify it.
The piece of paper that defines all laws in America says there can't be laws that say you can't say things.
Did you get that?

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Posted by: Vaderhater027
Posted by: AblativeMeatshld
Ask your high school teacher if it's legal to yell fire in a crowded theater.

It's you assuming things like this that gets people pissed off at you and destroys any credibility you might have had.

And no, you can't be arrested for saying something. Apparently the actual text from the Bill of Rights isn't enough to convince you, so let be simplify it.
The piece of paper that defines all laws in America says there can't be laws that say you can't say things.
Did you get that?

*chuckles*

Bet you think the right to bare arms is an absolute too.

Tell you what. What stae do you live in. I'll find your state's criminal statutes, and show you where things like yelling fire in a theater that isn't actually on fire, is a crime.

No right is absolute. None.

Again I weep for the failures of the US's public education system.

  • 10.25.2007 9:57 AM PDT

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

*editted to preserve topic continuity

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  • 10.25.2007 9:59 AM PDT

Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
You people have just sent my sides into orbit. A bunch of MLG try hards sucking the dick of some supposed pro half the thread hasn't even heard of. Classic.

Let us drop the political discussion please.

  • 10.25.2007 10:04 AM PDT

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I'm not sure what you guys are blabbering about the 1st Amendment for. This is a privately owned forum, Bungie can choose to kick you off for ANYthing. They don't even need a reason.

Back on topic, eh?

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  • 10.25.2007 10:05 AM PDT

Chill out.

There you go again. You don't seem to be making a lot of friends by being a smug, pompous jackass who assumes he knows everything about the law. You also don't seem to be making a lot of sense by not backing up anything you say with anything even resembling fact.
My advice to you is to stop assuming things about people you don't know, stop making retarded claims that you can't back up, and eat a slice of goddamn humble pie.
I'm done with this thread, because it's going waters unrelated to the op, and I don't argue with people who can't actually argue.

And, fyi, I am not in high school, and what I may or may not have learned in public school has nothing to do with what the Constitution says.

  • 10.25.2007 10:06 AM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Alright, alright, let's try to break this vicious cycle of off-topicness. Let's focus all of this negative energy towards me...

Uh...well...since it's my strongest topic here: Elitism, do you like/hate it and why?

Yes, most will say they dislike it, but why? Is it because Bungie Studios (Achronos) dislikes it, or is there some personal reason?

  • 10.25.2007 10:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: Vaderhater027
There you go again. You don't seem to be making a lot of friends by being a smug, pompous jackass who assumes he knows everything about the law. You also don't seem to be making a lot of sense by not backing up anything you say with anything even resembling fact.
My advice to you is to stop assuming things about people you don't know, stop making retarded claims that you can't back up, and eat a slice of goddamn humble pie.
I'm done with this thread, because it's going waters unrelated to the op, and I don't argue with people who can't actually argue.

And, fyi, I am not in high school, and what I may or may not have learned in public school has nothing to do with what the Constitution says.

Fine fine.

In addition to slander and libel (Which not criminal per se, they are tort offenses and will cost you lots of money for what you say/write), there's this

Yes, it's wiki, and it's not exactly on point, but I would hope that it demonstrates that there are, indeed, legal limits to "free speech".

Here endeth the lesson. Again.

  • 10.25.2007 10:22 AM PDT

Good, bad, I'm the guy with the clichéd lines.

If such a policy were to be implemented I'd leave immediately. Not because I'm expecting to be banned at some time, but because I in no way, shape or form, will do something that has the possibility of banning me from matchmaking and ruining 50% of my Halo fun.

Edit: After reading the thread more and hearing that mods can't be given this power, I'm relieved. But I have a question. Achronos talked about having accounts linked being able to go to forums. My forum account is linked to my gamertag, however I would prefer it if I was able to keep it private like I currently do. I don't want my gamertag to be public. If such a system that Achronos talked about happened, would I be able to access these forums while still having it on private?

Edit 2: I also wanted to mention that guests can play matchmaking and have no Live account.

[Edited on 10.25.2007 10:55 AM PDT]

  • 10.25.2007 10:33 AM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: End
Posted by: prometheus25
Alright, alright, let's try to break this vicious cycle of off-topicness. Let's focus all of this negative energy towards me...

Uh...well...since it's my strongest topic here: Elitism, do you like/hate it and why?

Yes, most will say they dislike it, but why? Is it because Bungie Studios (Achronos) dislikes it, or is there some personal reason?

It's because many of us who's probably visited other forums have experienced it ourselves.


Such as? Go find me a 5+ year old internet community with over 200,000 members that has a "elitist" mentality that is horribly corrupt and ruined.

Things like "Senior member" and other unnecessary stupid titles make people turn into jerks and actually start forum wars.

Yeah, I suppose you'd call what we have now with the Halo 3 forum just a minor tiff. Please, spare me.

  • 10.25.2007 10:41 AM PDT

The only flaw to the "Gold Account Only" set up is that some people do no have a consistent gold account active.

This may be just me, but since myself is my only perspective on this, I can't help but argue for it.

In my case, I cannot afford to pay the monthly fees and have to resort to buying cards when I get a little extra cash. This means (and is my current situation) that I am reverted back to a silver account. If the current idea is implemented, I wouldn't be able to post in any of the mentioned forums, and thus am rather cut-off from the halo-playing community. Now I try to be a rather active community member, and I feel that I should still be allowed to be, even though I cannot currently play halo online.

This does not mean that I am not playing single player, which is still part of Halo 3 and I would not be allowed to post in any other forums regarding it. Perhaps divide up the forums for campaign/ MM?

Also, not everyone has an internet connection, and bought halo for other reasons than online play, these people would not be allowed to post on the main forums anymore, and I'm sure you'll see a large uproar from them.

But this is just my opinion. If I could keep a gold account active I would probably not be posting about this, but I'm kinda glad I am, as I'm sure I'm not the only one in this situation.


(Sorry if this has been touched on, as I havn't read everything in the thread fully, just sorta skimmed)

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Location: Outlaws' Summit.

I have a Gold account linked to this account (iceman assassin) but I don't use it. I use another account as my primary (iceman iz back.) What's going to happen to me? Am I going to be restricted?

I have another Bungie login for my primary XBL account but I don't post on it. I'd rather not be forced to start either :-/

  • 10.25.2007 2:08 PM PDT

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CRA1G BARTLETT takes everything heaps serious, and tries to set up physical fights with people that are on average 1000 miles from him

sounds like a plan

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Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
I have a Gold account linked to this account (iceman assassin) but I don't use it. I use another account as my primary (iceman iz back.) What's going to happen to me? Am I going to be restricted?

I have another Bungie login for my primary XBL account but I don't post on it. I'd rather not be forced to start either :-/


Don't worry, Achronos said that "and we know a lot of you have your gamertag linked to a different Live ID than the one you post in the forums with. We have a few ideas on how to get around that particular problem, though, so don't be surprised if the status quo changes in the next few months."

That will be good for me, I have another B.Net account that I would prefer to post on. Hopefully I can use that instead.

  • 10.25.2007 2:31 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: End
If you are a good member you will be complimented and appreciated if you aren't you're ridiculed.


Hardly. Bungie.net is nearly void of compliments. The only non-member to have ever complimented me was Evilcam, and that was several months after the event he had done so for. Of course, there was the couple of stickies I had, but those aren't exactly compliments.

Did you by chance read Pezz's post here?
Posted by: Pezz
Once again, the problem is with trust.
The community is very hard to trust in these times, so many alt accounts has ensured that even the best members are leading double lives. Trust me (oh double standards!), we know about it.

We really are caught between a rock and a hard place; be overwhelmed or employ someone who might cause more damage than good.


According to him, at that time, we aren't to be trusted. Why should anyone compliment or endorse a person or group they don't trust?


We don't need a "witty" title over our names to point of the morons from the members with some intelligence.

I wrote a longish post telling why on the fourth page of this thread (first of my posts south of BerserkerBarage's essay). The first thing a new member does when they join this site is visit the Halo 3 forum. There, they find some funny quote where someone insults another member. Going to another thread, they find a more funny quote of the same nature. Pretty soon, they want to join in on trying to out-do other members in the insulting game.

If the community had a way of highlighting, or advertising, what would be considered positive and constructive behavior (such as one whose title of "member" is written in red and/or whose text is pure white instead of the grey of normal members), they would be drawn to them (like we are drawn to the salmon or gold text) instead of the insults. They'll hopefully be more interested in trying to achieve something that everyone can notice everytime they post, rather than constantly trying to out-insult other posters in each thread they visit.

We've talked about why moderators can't post like normal members; too often they are looked at as being on the "inside" of game production. This is why, as I've stated at least twice now, we need "members to educate members".

If you wish to look at my thoughts here and elsewhere as more attempts at whoring myself to get a special title, then go ahead. Your support isn't necessary, though it would be appreciated.

  • 10.25.2007 2:56 PM PDT

Trailer Park Boys ~ One of the best Canadian made comedies ever.

This is a huge issue because so many people have that problem.

However, if the B.net web team manages to correct this issue; fully enforce Achronos's idea, you should.

Posted by: Achronos
Right now, we haven't done it because Optimatch is mostly behaving and we know a lot of you have your gamertag linked to a different Live ID than the one you post in the forums with. We have a few ideas on how to get around that particular problem, though, so don't be surprised if the status quo changes in the next few months.


[Edited on 10.25.2007 3:08 PM PDT]

  • 10.25.2007 3:07 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

The only thing I don't like is that people without GT's can't post.

  • 10.25.2007 3:46 PM PDT