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  • 12.13.2004 1:19 PM PDT
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Judging from what happened to the actual colony, they probably were killed.

  • 12.13.2004 1:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tanikaze
Judging from what happened to the actual colony, they probably were killed.


Correct. When the Pfhor returned and ransacked Tau Ceti, the 9 cyborgs were among the casualties.

  • 12.13.2004 1:24 PM PDT
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Master Chief lived 200 years before the UESC Marathon arrived at Tau Ceti.

  • 12.13.2004 1:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: VII Toast
DUH! I should have known that, but I assumed since if they were just as powerful as the 10 Cyborg, maybe one of them survied.

(To become Master Chief!)

Why wouldn't Recon 54 be the Master Chief? The timelines don't seem to fit, but both Marathon and Myth are tales that have similar themes of reborn heroes. The Master Chief was also born in Elysium city. In Greek Myth, Elysium was a place in the underworld where noble souls came to rest, and I believe if they were ever reincarnated, they drank from the river Lethe to forget past lives. Lethe was also mentioned in Marathon. Other connections between the two include their Height. The character from Marathon's height in the engine's measuring units was 819 I believe, and the Master Chief's height is 70 3DS max units, or 7 feet tall. 819/7=117. The number 117 was also mentioned in the same Marathon terminal as the Heron Guard. The Heron Guard were immortal or nearly immortal (not sure which) heroes chosen every seven years in Myth. There's also the matter of that crazy comet that comes every 1,000 years, but I'm not sure how that would fit into the Halo universe. That seems to be more of a Myth/Marathon deal, although I could be wrong.

  • 12.13.2004 3:22 PM PDT
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The SO could indeed be the master chief. The master chief lived 200 years before marathon, however we do not know how long ago the cyborgs were created... As we know from various terminals the military cyborgs are dead soldiers reanimated using technology. If you were going to reanimate using technology, you would use the bes and most basass yes? Master Chief fits that description.

  • 12.13.2004 3:34 PM PDT
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At 50 years, the Master Chief is still as formidable as ever. Who knows how long he could have lived, especially that far in the future?

  • 12.13.2004 3:47 PM PDT
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Yes, but in Marathon the Pfhor are supposedly humanity's first contact with alien life forms. Chew on that! ;p

  • 12.13.2004 4:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: Texas Ben
The SO could indeed be the master chief. The master chief lived 200 years before marathon, however we do not know how long ago the cyborgs were created... As we know from various terminals the military cyborgs are dead soldiers reanimated using technology. If you were going to reanimate using technology, you would use the bes and most basass yes? Master Chief fits that description.

I don't think the Master Chief could have lived in the same timeline as the SO. FTL travel is a massive flaw in putting the timelines together. The Marathon was supposedly launched during the Covenant war if you put the timelines toghether as is. This wouldn't work because we already have the bare bones of FTL travel hundereds of years before the Marathon is launched.

There are also inconsistencies in the Marathon timeline by itself. How did battleroids get on those asteroids when humans had barely established a Mars colony? A full military deployment on an asteroid habitat seems extremely advanced for a civilization that has only travelled to two of it's planets. (counting the moon)

Since the Marathon timeline isn't in a definite timeframe, (like B.C., A.D, etc.) you can't trust too many of the dates. Some we know, like the PiD events must take place in our current timeline because president Clinton is mentioned, but others seem very out of place.

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  • 12.13.2004 4:39 PM PDT
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Well Marathon-PiD is proven, at any rate.

  • 12.13.2004 4:48 PM PDT

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There are also inconsistencies in the Marathon timeline by itself. How did battleroids get on those asteroids when humans had barely established a Mars colony? A full military deployment on an asteroid habitat seems extremely advanced for a civilization that has only travelled to two of it's planets. (counting the moon)


Wha--?

If I recall correctly, Mars was heavily populated long before the Marathon was even built, and the history terminals suggest that most of the planet had been terraformed. Mars in known to have had a full planetary network with at least five AIs only twelve years after the war between Icarus and Thermopylae.

Besides, the asteroids were between Mars and Jupiter -- not so far after all. The big thing about Tau Ceti IV was that it was the first extrasolar colony. At 11.9 lightyears from Sol, it's a much longer trip.

Since the Marathon timeline isn't in a definite timeframe, (like B.C., A.D, etc.) you can't trust too many of the dates. Some we know, like the PiD events must take place in our current timeline because president Clinton is mentioned, but others seem very out of place.

The formatting indicates that the Marathon universe uses the same calender as the real universe. I have never seen anyone come up with a satisfactory alternative.

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Posted by:BobBQ
Wha--?

If I recall correctly, Mars was heavily populated long before the Marathon was even built, and the history terminals suggest that most of the planet had been terraformed. Mars in known to have had a full planetary network with at least five AIs only twelve years after the war between Icarus and Thermopylae.

Besides, the asteroids were between Mars and Jupiter -- not so far after all. The big thing about Tau Ceti IV was that it was the first extrasolar colony. At 11.9 lightyears from Sol, it's a much longer trip.

Ah. The point I was trying to make was that it didn't make sense for humans populate asteroids so far away (but not so far, my mistake) and have a military deployment on them with such inadequate technology. I was under the impression that Icarus was a lot farther away. It takes 409 days for Icarus to orbit the sun, but it comes really close to Mercury. (hence the name Icarus) Onicis 492 doesn't seem to exist. Still, it seems odd that an independent government would form on an asteroid and have the resources to sustain itself so close to Mercury, and have a war when we have trouble getting supplies to Mars.

  • 12.13.2004 6:53 PM PDT
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Maybe they were secret military bases, or parate factions like in the halo books?

  • 12.13.2004 7:04 PM PDT
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Maybe they were secret military bases, or parate factions like in the halo books?

That got me thinking. The politics of the Marathon era weren't stable at all, and one might guess that there was a lot of backstabbing and turmoil going on. It would make sense for a powerful aristocrat to invest in a secret military base. Multiple aristocrats would fight over territories like this, so the war could definitely fit in the time frame. It's a shame those wealthy bastards had to invest their money on stupid wars while those colonists on Mars starved.

That got me thinking about conspiracy theories. What was the Marathon really for? It wasn't popular among the people, as it was a symbol of their government's neglect. You also have to wonder about the politics of Halo 2's time. Good eyed players noticed that when you get your award, it's the United Earth Space council, and the commander's name is Lord Hood. Sound's kinda Darth Vader-ish to me. Maybe some tinkering with the timelines will reveal something after all. I noticed a while back ago that the original date of the Marathon's launch in Strauss' log was 2209. 2552-2209=343. Are the sevens pointing us in some unseen direction?

  • 12.13.2004 7:33 PM PDT
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I was thinking of secret govenment (or rebel) military bases, but aristocrats makes sense too. The terminals don't go into the detail of the political landscape pre-launch of the marathon... And the lord hood comment ties in nicely. It's possible that the politics in halo and marathon could be driven by aristocratic families much like in dune.

btw, that's pirate not parate in my post above... damm typos! :)

  • 12.13.2004 7:39 PM PDT
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To be fair, the human empire as a whole is probably referred to as the United Earth, even if you're talking about the Mars or Tau Ceti colonies.

Oh, and you guys have probably already covered this(I didn't read the whole thread, I'm too tired), but there's no way that any of the cyborgs could be the Chief. By the time the Master Chief was born and dubbed as such, the Marathon was already en route to Tau Ceti.

  • 12.13.2004 8:34 PM PDT