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Yea, actually they are doing "fine" in h3. They've already found glitches in the game that no one was meant to take advantage of and will exploit them in their own "competitive", oh wait, they say the most "tactical" ways... hahaha.

oFmG's leEt ghost jumpin the spartin yO!!

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  • 10.24.2007 7:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: Morpheus414
MLG=ballswallowers.

And shame on Bungie for promoting a company that supports, exploits and includes Button Combos in their rules to help amplify their game.

I guaranteee you if you take those animation stopping glitches away, a good 90% of these "pros" would be helpless in battle.


And don't even get me started on Lil Poison.

What kinda dumbass parent would give a 3 year old kid a box with a huge -blam!- 'M' on it?!?

Double shame for condoning him, too.

The world is going to hell in a handbasket and so help me, I'll help him out too.


lol you're so bad.

anyway, good write up about MLG.

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Some of you don't know anything about mlg and yet your talking crap about it? Some of you act like if it's a gametype, it's a gaming league...

All i'm trying to say is have some knowledge of what your going to post, don't be ignorant.

  • 10.24.2007 8:13 PM PDT

Posted by: Armagaiden
Yea, actually they are doing "fine" in h3. They've already found glitches in the game that no one was meant to take advantage of and will exploit them in their own "competitive", oh wait, they say the most "tactical" ways... hahaha.

oFmG's leEt ghost jumpin the spartin yO!!


Ghost jumping will more than likely not be in MLG dip-blam!-. MLG has rules against everything thats cheap. The only thing MLG has allowed was the use of button glitches. Ever since then all you bungie.net fanboys have been butthurt about it. I can't even begin to describe some of the ignorance on this forum. I feel sorry for Bungie and the few smart and intelligent people on here that there forums are filled with kids who have no idea what there talking about but continue to run there mouths like they do.

As for your statement on "tactics" im not even gonna begin to touch that. Even if I was right (which I am) you would never be man enough to admit it.


I may edit my post later but I gotta go right now.

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Your K/D ratio is pretty horrible CovertPEteRSen9 so dont say crap about other ppl. But either way MLG wants to bring Halo to the most competetive level possible but with all the auto aim in halo 2 any random could be pretty good, with other button glitches ( i wish there were never in the game) add a depper skill level to the game. Just cause they allow certain things that everyone can do, they dont allow superbouncing or other means of glitching (flags through walls etc) only that can make the game even more skill based. Its not MLG's fault bungie left loads of glitches in the game, MLG is just trying to make the game as competetive as possible. Nothing has really been found out for Halo 3 your so called "button glitches" but pros are good for a HELL of a lot more than button glitches and I mean players like the Ogres, Naded, Legit not Lil Poison although he is good for his age. Play a Halo 2 pro at Halo 3 and I can guarantee he will destory you. The reason why I started playing MLG if because I wanted to be better at the game and keep improving and I found that MLG is the best way to do so and it kept a lot of people playing halo 2 for as long as they did. So thats why Bungie support MLG. I honestly dont understand why anyone would dislike MLG, in Halo 3 so far there arent really any button combos so does everyone love MLG now? No because they just hate it for the sake of it.
Heh... Too many people in this world are blinded by ignorance and I mean more than the game.
Anyway MLG vegas was awesome cant wait for next season.

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  • 10.24.2007 8:31 PM PDT

If you're swimming in a creek, and an eel bites your feet - that's a moray.

Posted by: Hitzel

Here's a few things to consider:

1 - The M rating does not make it illegal for a minor to play an M rated game. A Minor can purchase an M rated game with parental consent.

2 - Minors can participate in MLG events only with parental consent.

3 - Lil Poison's Uncle, Poison, is a PC professional gamer. Serious gaming is one of their family customs.

4 - Obviously, Lil Poison has consent from his legal guardian(s) to both play M-rated titles and to participate at MLG events.


Here are a few more things to consider:

1) There is no law prohibiting adults from smoking tobacco products in their households while in the company of a minor.

2) Minors can consume alcohol in the presence of their parents, and in their home, with parental consent.

3) My cousin is in prison. My uncle is a church pastor. My father-in-law is -blam!-. None of these do I consider "family customs".

4) Obviously, a parent can take his nine-year-old child to an "R" rated movie, or to allow him to watch rented "X" rated films in his home.

Exactly what part of your "argument" makes this acceptable? Furthermore, what part of your "argument" reconciles Bungie's paradoxical stance (even this website has an "M" rating)?

Look - I'm not trashing the MLG (except their policy regarding under-aged participants). I like the fact that the MLG exists, though I do believe they are by and large elitists. This is not unexpected - I would hardly fault an NFL linebacker for believing himself a better tackler than I am. I would prefer if they had modeled their policies around the gaming industry and with the intent of the developers in mind (read: adhere to the ESRB ratings and prohibit the use of "glitches"), but these are relatively minor faults.

I enjoy the tactical and team-oriented strategies and recommendations they make, and I'm sure that if I were presented an opportunity to witness one of their events first-hand I would thoroughly enjoy myself. I rather like their required settings for Halo 2 (although the removal of the motion tracker reduces the required skill).

The age issue is a major flaw, the glitch support is minor by comparison. The NFL would never allow a nine-year-old to compete (much less a five-year-old), but that is not a fair analogy. The WPT would not allow a nine-year-old to play, regardless of his apparent deftness of play, and the WPT would similarly (indeed they have already) make it a violation of the rules to string-raise (which is the nearest analog I could find to the endorsement of glitches).

Whatever the case, Bungie should not have implcitly endorsed the participation of a nine-year-old in a series of tournaments consisting exclusively of "M" rated games.

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your an idiot
people hate mlg players because they get paid to play

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man this article got me a little excited. i those bungie staff members came back a little bit more enlightened.

this could be a good thing, we could start seeing serious tweaks to halo 3 =)

please bungie, please.

  • 10.24.2007 9:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: its rip its rip
before you criticize something for everyone to see, you could at least look into what you're talking about.

everyone under 18 must get a parent/guardian to sign a consent form. there, chapstick's "argument" is dis-proven.

if you honestly believe that only people over the age of 17 get halo, you're probably one of the most naive people i've ever had the pleasure of debunking.

secondly, everyone that says an MLG player is unable to adapt to other styles of play have probably never had the chance to play with an mlg player. almost any good player you find in matchmaking is at least familiar with the mlg settings. ask the next person that beats you if they do. mlg uses the br start to emphasize skill. if you think that running around with your trigger down aiming at someones torso defines skill, i truly feel sorry for you. a lot of the members of this forum need to play some MLG players just to open their eyes. everyone thinks they are at least decent but that word is relative. MLG will surely make you aware of that.

last, but most definitely not least, it is AWESOME to see bungie at an MLG and truly appreciate what goes on at the events. i can't tell you how great it was to read that they actually realized how good the players are at the events and how organized and professional they are.

good stuff.


My argument is hardly "disproven" by your statement regarding parental consent. It is basic legal CYA that legislates the existence of a waiver, and MLG would be fools not to have one, if they are going to allow minors at all.

Of course I'm neither so naïve nor ignorant as to believe that "only people over the age of 17 get" ["M" rated games] - in fact, it's more the opposite, in my experience - so save your pleasure-filled debunking for a successful endeavor, junior.

Look - it's simple really - it is not illegal for a parent to allow his child to play "M" rated games, it is merely irresponsible.

Irresponsible things have a way of becoming illegal, or at least somewhat policed, over time (see national click-it-or-ticket campaign), and with the likely future legislation regarding video game violence looming on the horizon, Bungie, MLG, Microsoft, et al, would be protecting themselves by taking an active stance against under-aged gaming.

Personally, I believe it is the parent's responsibility to limit a child's exposure to potentially harmful input, explain the cause(s), effect(s), and other relevant information about that harmful input that cannot be avoided, and educate the child as to the nature of harmful input in general. Where parents fail, however, enforcible standards need to be placed - where parental neglect occurs, action needs taken.

So, indirectly advocating parental irresponsibility is tantamount to publicly endorsing it, and it has been my point throughout this conversation that this endorsement is unwittingly negligent, and deserving of harsh criticism.]

Q.E.D.M.F.

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  • 10.24.2007 9:16 PM PDT

Kinda off topic, but who took that screenshot from this weeks update? Pretty sick shot!

  • 10.24.2007 9:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Morpheus414
MLG=ballswallowers.

And shame on Bungie for promoting a company that supports, exploits and includes Button Combos in their rules to help amplify their game.

I guaranteee you if you take those animation stopping glitches away, a good 90% of these "pros" would be helpless in battle.


And don't even get me started on Lil Poison.

What kinda dumbass parent would give a 3 year old kid a box with a huge -blam!- 'M' on it?!?

Double shame for condoning him, too.

The world is going to hell in a handbasket and so help me, I'll help him out too.


I can't believe your ignorance.

Me, bungie, or anyone else who has played with or against pros will tell you how untrue that is. Oh well, guess thats why they were Halo CE pros and will be the best H3 players.

  • 10.24.2007 9:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Kiwiofdeath
MGL rules = crap game play!!

not that I could compete with MGL players (not the wannabees) but skill in sport is being able to adapt to the conditions. If you BR start then obviously you won't dual wield which in other words means you never have to make a weapon based decision for what is the best for each situation. Also grenade starts lead to grenade spaming. Ever played hardcore? jump throw jump throw etc. You can get very good with grenades but they still are sloppy.

KOD


Finally, someone who doesn't like MLG, but still acknowledges how good their players are.

Most people that hate MLG think they could beat the Ogres at any Halo game just because they use "button glitches".

Anybody who has played with pros can tell you how wrong they are.

And lastly, I don't care if you don't like MLG. It's your opinion, Just don't go around talking trash about it if you don't know about it. (not directed at you, but at people who talk -blam!- about MLG)

  • 10.24.2007 9:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Elwoodd
I think it might be a new map. He has to be in custom games cause he has armour perms on and u can't do that in campaign. Hopefully just Hopefully. Can't wait for new maps Bungie!


I'm sure someone has said this, but that is Guardian by the plasma pistol spawn.

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I've played a few MLG people from Halo 2 and I have to say that without their BxR'ing and double/quad shotting, they're most certainly not as good as everyone says they are. MLG is cool for bringing gamers/gaming together and holding competitions, but allowing crap like the BxR for "tactical" reasons is just absurd.

Edit: By the way, the level in the picture is just Guardian for whomever thought it was a new level.
Edit 2: Whoops, I didn't see that people had answered that question, so my bad on that one.

[Edited on 10.24.2007 9:47 PM PDT]

  • 10.24.2007 9:45 PM PDT

Posted by: Chapstick
Posted by: Hitzel

Here's a few things to consider:

1 - The M rating does not make it illegal for a minor to play an M rated game. A Minor can purchase an M rated game with parental consent.

2 - Minors can participate in MLG events only with parental consent.

3 - Lil Poison's Uncle, Poison, is a PC professional gamer. Serious gaming is one of their family customs.

4 - Obviously, Lil Poison has consent from his legal guardian(s) to both play M-rated titles and to participate at MLG events.


Here are a few more things to consider:

1) There is no law prohibiting adults from smoking tobacco products in their households while in the company of a minor.

2) Minors can consume alcohol in the presence of their parents, and in their home, with parental consent.

3) My cousin is in prison. My uncle is a church pastor. My father-in-law is -blam!-. None of these do I consider "family customs".

4) Obviously, a parent can take his nine-year-old child to an "R" rated movie, or to allow him to watch rented "X" rated films in his home.

Exactly what part of your "argument" makes this acceptable? Furthermore, what part of your "argument" reconciles Bungie's paradoxical stance (even this website has an "M" rating)?

Look - I'm not trashing the MLG (except their policy regarding under-aged participants). I like the fact that the MLG exists, though I do believe they are by and large elitists. This is not unexpected - I would hardly fault an NFL linebacker for believing himself a better tackler than I am. I would prefer if they had modeled their policies around the gaming industry and with the intent of the developers in mind (read: adhere to the ESRB ratings and prohibit the use of "glitches"), but these are relatively minor faults.

I enjoy the tactical and team-oriented strategies and recommendations they make, and I'm sure that if I were presented an opportunity to witness one of their events first-hand I would thoroughly enjoy myself. I rather like their required settings for Halo 2 (although the removal of the motion tracker reduces the required skill).

The age issue is a major flaw, the glitch support is minor by comparison. The NFL would never allow a nine-year-old to compete (much less a five-year-old), but that is not a fair analogy. The WPT would not allow a nine-year-old to play, regardless of his apparent deftness of play, and the WPT would similarly (indeed they have already) make it a violation of the rules to string-raise (which is the nearest analog I could find to the endorsement of glitches).

Whatever the case, Bungie should not have implcitly endorsed the participation of a nine-year-old in a series of tournaments consisting exclusively of "M" rated games.

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I agree with your argument to a certain extent. I agree five years old is alittle young, hell maybe even nine years old but I don't see anything wrong with people of my age (13) playing certain M rated games. The Halo series are not all that bad, ya theres some blood and alittle gore but its not anything really bad. As for the swearing I do not think it is anything worse than what kids will hear in an average elementary school playground.



I have met LP in person and I do believe he is old enough to properly comprehend what he is seeing. When I say that I mean when he is playing these video games he is mature enough to know that its exactly that: a game. It is a highly competitive game and a very strategic, intense, complicated game... but still a game. I don't believe after playing games where he is exposed to violence he is anymore likely to go starting a school shooting or any of the other terrible things that happen than any other kid.




I enjoy the tactical and team-oriented strategies and recommendations they make, and I'm sure that if I were presented an opportunity to witness one of their events first-hand I would thoroughly enjoy myself. I rather like their required settings for Halo 2 (although the removal of the motion tracker reduces the required skill).

Trust me, you would have a blast at an event. Its basically three days of cool people,partys, gaming, and good times to remember. As for the radar thing: it goes both ways. Its still in FFA. The main reason MLG took it out of team games was to enforce the use of teamwork. If you didnt have good teamwork than you had a harder time knowing were the other team was. I suppose its just a difference of opinions though.

  • 10.24.2007 9:54 PM PDT
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Noobs ruined Halo 2 and Halo 3. The spray and pray game model took the skill out of the game, allowing a player with the hand eye coordination of a toddler to snag kills in situations where they normally wouldn't have gotten the kills in Halo 1. The reason why noobs hate BR start slayer is because their "advantage" is removed and they are forced to actually aim for the head, and pump the trigger. Of course the fast paced mosh pit that is Halo 2 and 3 may be fun and challenging for some, for players who were more used to the Halo c/e style of game play, this is just not the case. Its far more satisfying for a Halo C/e player to gun some one down with the BR than it is with the AR, Dual SMG's, H3 Needler, Dual spiker's ect... . When you get kills with the Battle Rifle it is self satisfying because you know in your head that you have a skill that others don't, you were better than the other player. What Halo C/e predecessors did was it gave the common noob a hammer with which to kill his superior with. A leveling pin with which he could achieve victory without bettering himself as a player. That is why MLG is pure and better because it breaks the game back down to its primal roots. Skill vs Skill.

  • 10.24.2007 10:27 PM PDT

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Core matchmaking gametypes (non-MLG/Classic/Action Sack):
Current (July 12 update):
Arena+ Team Slayer, BTB, Team Objective, Rumble Pit, 2v2, Multi Team, Team Snipers & SWAT

Blam hand eye coordination,
i have got to wonder if any of these teams and their strats and their hardcore situational awareness formed online multiplayer, or if it formed inLANd, as with the ogre twins. Seriously, on live i have trouble partying up let alone standard single-serving matchmaking and referring to any map asset in less than 3 syllables, let alone two letters, and that's not mentioning getting anyone else to agree to those terms. If MLG's ever plan to change careers, they oughta be air traffic coordinators or dispatchers for military operations and just show them the footage from these events as their resume. Organization FTW

  • 10.24.2007 11:17 PM PDT

While I love MLG and applaud Bungie for realizing it exists, aren't you guys a little late?

I haven't ever seen a story on MLG by Bungie... ever.

Negative nancy aside, thank you Bungie for visitng competitive gaming. That is where your game truly shines.

  • 10.25.2007 12:45 AM PDT
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Location: Outlaws' Summit.

Orgasmic knows what's up with the MLG community, he's an avid and active member (as well as an amazing player) who knows a lot of the pros and has been offered to be on a lot of teams. And he's really chill and mature- when I met him I coulda sworn he was in his late teens/early 20's but the guy is only 13 lol.

He's definitely proof of what MLG is- enthusiastic (and competitive) players who like to show others what Major league Gaming is about. He definitely helped me when I started playing MLG so take his word on anything.

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Really cool, I can't believe it took this long for you guys to go to an event though. Halo 1 was a great game, and still my favorite, but without the tournament scene, even a game like that would have died out a long time ago. The feeling of beating a worthy opponent is what makes competitive gaming so much fun.

I know that there has been some feelings of anomosity (sp?) between the two sides, though most of it was between the users on either side. It is good to see that through H2 though, Bungie and MLG seem to have more and more respect for each other as time goes on. MLG realizes that they have to do what is good for business, and that is to sell as many games as they can. Bungie also realizes that the games would not be as popular if it is too "noob friendly" or "elite" so they try to balance the two. The two of them working together would really make an excellent team.

There are so many other things I want to comment on here too, but I'll try to keep it short. First, it's not your kid, so basically mind your own business. Bungie nor MLG nor his father is exploiting LP. I am sure there are plenty of things you saw and did as a child that were considered for "mature" people. Your argument about parents letting children watch x rated films is wrong, though the smoking and drinking I believe are true. Still, taking it to the extremes is very different than playing a game with mild violence. Are you people really serious that you are going to debate child rearing on a video game company's website, especially when it's not even your own child? Just go do something fun like PLAY THE GAME lol.

Although there was only a few negative comments from the MLG side, I am disappointed to see any. You guys should know better, and shouldn't let it get to you. I am amazed at the amount of "pro Bungie", negative comments towards MLG though. Some of you really need to wake up. MM isn't the only way to play the game, and neither is MLG. MLG never claimed it is the only way to play or to have fun though. Mostly though, they say they just try to make the game as competitive and fair (without being random or lucky) as it can be. Sure, I bet even some of the pros enjoy a game of zombies once in a while, though that doesn't mean it takes a lot of skill. Besides, MLG and the competitive side of gaming must have some sway, otherwise I doubt Bungie would have done a few of the updates to H2 that made the BR and competitive side better. I also doubt they would have tried to go against the H2 style in some areas by making the auto aim and magnetism a bit less, meaning it would take more skill to use weapons like the BR and sniper.

Just because they make the game, doesn't mean they do everything right, or know how to make the game the most competitive. Look at H2, and how many patches it had. What do you think the beta was for? Isn't there already people complaining about flaws that the in house playtesting didn't find? Also think about how you play the game to have fun. Does that mean I have to play that way to have fun? Does it mean your way takes more skill? Seriously, many of you on both sides need to have open minds a bit more.

If anyone hasn't already, you should really go check out the videos on MLG. The tournament games are incredible to watch. The skill and teamwork involved is just amazing. Shooting strafing using cover/angles grenade throwing and strategy .... most of us just wont even notice some of the subtle things that separate us from the pros.

Again, on an end note, it was really great to see the two companies coming together. I hope it happens more and more, because I really feel it would only benefit both sides very much. Also as much as I love playing the halo games, I do feel that Bungie has to get their act together a bit. First, some serious play testers are needed. You should have known from h2 the amount of time people would spend trying to break and bend the game. I must say, that they are consistently fixing issues from game to game, so good job on that. Also, they shouldn't be so "stubborn" (at least that how it looks to me) to not look at advice from the pro gamers. They aren't just good at the way they play, they are very good at the game itself, and in fact, some are just plain good at what they do. Ogre 2 and Walshy played in the Shadow run part of Vegas the same weekend, yet as a team FB managed to take the H2 side 12-0. They didn't even lose a game. So you see, they have real shooting skill and strategy. Some of them can just see the game in a different light. I think they have already realized this, judging by the way they did some things for H3.

Yeah that's coming up on 5k words, so I should just stop talking here. Yay bungie and mlg, glad everyone had fun.

  • 10.25.2007 1:36 AM PDT

Well I won't speak on what I don't know but here is my bit on this. I wish I was there, because I've always wondered how the mind of a "Pro" game player works. MLG is a good organization and knocking them for allowing button glitches is dumb. If you don't, and someone accidentally does it the game is forfeit? Hope the Bungie guys had fun seeing how big of a die hard following their game has. I can honestly say I feel your pain, just be happy you are paid to make the game and not play it.

On to the Ogre's and all the other guys that are PRO. They are really just that good. Back in the day when I would have considered myself right below "Pro" skill in Halo 2, I got some of these guys in Team Slayer matches online. The button glitches didn't make that big of a difference, they worked so well as a team they would have killed us shooting half as much as us. They *never* missed, and if you ever felt like no matter where you go you run into three people you REALLY don't want to play these guys. I hope we get an MLG play list, so just in case I get serious about winning again I can practice in the right format.

P.S. That wall jumping video was completely sickmade. I hope that doesn't mean super jumps are in the game and just not found yet although I think these are almost as bad. I'm going to go try these out to see how they are done, as they completely change the strategy of a level.

  • 10.25.2007 1:38 AM PDT
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Now add team hardcore in h3 damnit....and while your at it take the mauler completely out of the game,I think you guys know that one was a complete F up.

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  • 10.25.2007 2:14 AM PDT
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Nice to see the real MLG and the real Bungie associating. Not the pathetic MLG-hangers on who get their jollies abusing people on forums and on xbox live, or the equally pathetic bungie fans who witlessly flame the crap out of everything remotely MLG-associated.

Here's to the real deal.

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I remember watching this on VoD :) Some Bungie guys did alright. Even though it was AR start :)

  • 10.25.2007 3:56 AM PDT