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Subject: Interesting Lack of Change.

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

The following comes from my mind, all of it true. Yet my mind knows that the vast, despicable majority of you won't care to read. You'll just flame me and call me a whiny -blam!-. You'll tell me to leave, cast me out, so on and so forth. What I have to say is, once again, something that needs to be said. Something felt by many, but expressed by none.

I've been gone for some time now, and I did say I wouldn't be back. Perhaps that makes me a hypocrite. In a sense, though, I didn't leave. I still have many connections to this community, and I do keep in touch by reading the forums every now and then, to see if perhaps some day, this internet cityscape would again serve as a place of escape and solace.

Half a year, and no real change. The only, little change that there has been was just an increase in those who make this site less of a community, and more of a random collection of people who fall into what really are just high-school clicks. I'll tell you what those clicks are, not naming names, but if you really know me, you'll know who I think fall into those groups:

1.) Instead of teachers' pets, we have Bungie suck-ups. Those who scream "I want be modzorzhax" because they feel they have contributed something valuable to the community (Hah! I laugh). This group also includes those who want to shield Bungie or the Mods from the negative. One could argue that they are fanboys, righteously going to the defense of a good (great, even) company, but missing the point of the opposing argument entirely. Like the teachers' pets, once they face a slap of reality (a bad grade, analogous to being banned by a moderator or Bungie admin), they crumble, cry, and beg their way back to the "community."

2.) Rather than jocks, well, we have those who troll, flame, -blam!- about lack of required skill in Halo 3 matchmaking (AKA Halo 1 Pistol Jockeys). I don't have much to say about these people, but their ego tends to get in the way of reason. Like Brutes, "they must love the smell of testosterone."

3.) Popular folks. Yep, they're here too. Not popular for any particular reason, but I guess they must have the charisma to be loved by many. They really just don't contribute to anything, other than buying Bungie's games.

4.) Nerds and Weirdos. Ironically, in my experience these are the ones who actually contribute to the community. The weirdos are weird for the sole fact that they actually see reason, and they don't blindly follow what the popular people do, or what Bungie says. They think. Nerds think as well. Nerds, though, are more "into" the games and the storylines. They're the ones that beat story nearly to death, and have fun doing it. Analyzing every single word that might be a hint of foreshadow.

5.) Not exactly analogous to high school, but the Mods are a noticeable part of this so-called community. The moderators are, however, split up into two main groups. Those who do their work, and those who don't. There are variations on the individual level, but for the most part, there are the mods who just ban those disobeying the rules because that's what they should do, then there are those who don't really do anything, and really should never have become mods in the first place.

This place really is like high school, socially, but on the internet. Bungie is like the stereotypical principle that, although it cares about the students (or community), it really doesn't listen to what the people that do think are saying. Why don't they listen? Because the rest of the community treats them like -blam!-. Hence, we get Bungie publicly flaming their community in things like the Whaaaambulance. It's funny, and personally I'd like to see it stay... But I question how professional it is. It is nice, however, to see a company come down to the level of the consumer. It makes it so we can relate them a bit more. The people who make the Whaaambulance "cut" fully deserve to be there.

So where do we go from here? Should the community, if you can call it that, continue to -blam!- and moan, fanatically defend, or be here just because they can? Or should the community at least try to break it's endless childishness?

I'm going to end by saying that I find it disgusting that so many of you criticize things that quite simply are not the way you want them. The games aren't such-and-such the way you want them. Bungie doesn't treat you the way you want them. One thing that you'll learn in life when or IF you grow up, is that things simply aren't the way you want them, and you have to accept that. -blam!-ing gets you no-where. Bungie responds with an "appease," and then all you do is -blam!- more. Doesn't that say something? It's like asking for cake, and then getting pissed off because someone put sprinkles on top because they were nice.

With that being said, I jump into your flames not with flailing arms, but with a smile on my face saying "I told you so." I am here to embrace your ignorance, if only to better myself and use it against you.



  • 10.27.2007 2:14 PM PDT

There was a man from Allentown who fed his son to death.
He calmly watched him gorge himself until his final breath.
And there he stood, surprised and shocked above his tiny frame.
He said: "I bear no blame for this. I only share his name!"

Sorry, but it's Shai Hulud the name of a band? Just wondering.

  • 10.27.2007 2:20 PM PDT

Veteran member of The Frozen Minority.

It's actually the name of the child he molested.

  • 10.27.2007 2:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shai Hulud
So where do we go from here? Should the community, if you can call it that, continue to -blam!- and moan, fanatically defend, or be here just because they can? Or should the community at least try to break it's endless childishness?

Well your little study on the community came at a bad time. The in-flow of new people due to the halo 3 launch has a major affect on the communty as a whole IMO. New people equalls more repetitive threads, spam, flames and other violations simply because many of these people havent taken the time to read the rules yet , or just ignored them, and arent familiar with where the mods has set the bar. Things will probably settle down in a while and go back to normal, which in many ways could have been better i guess. I dont know what to expect really in a community where the majority are in their teens and hidden behind their screens. We simply cant compare an online comminty to the real word due to the anonymity though.

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  • 10.27.2007 2:33 PM PDT
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Good read but all these different kinds of people makes Bungie.net so great. I've been to other forums and some can handle "repuation" and "post count" and custom avatars and sigs and as unique as those forums are, B.net remains to be the most unique I've ever seen, personally.

Good to see you again Shai (seriously.)

  • 10.27.2007 2:41 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

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Posted by: Shai Hulud
So where do we go from here? Should the community, if you can call it that, continue to -blam!- and moan, fanatically defend, or be here just because they can? Or should the community at least try to break it's endless childishness?

Well your little study on the community came at a bad time. The in-flow of new people due to the halo 3 launch has a major affect on the communty as a whole IMO. New people equalls more repetitive threads, spam, flames and other violations simply because many of these people havent taken the time to read the rules yet , or just ignored them, and arent familiar with where the mods has set the bar. Things will probably settle down in a while and go back to normal, which in many ways could have been better i guess. I dont know what to expect really in a community where the majority are in their teens and hidden behind their screens. We simply cant compare an online comminty to the real word due to the anonymity though.


Not really. I was here before the influx of Halo 3 (before that, and before that even!), and as I said, there was lack of change.

  • 10.27.2007 2:50 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Good read but all these different kinds of people makes Bungie.net so great. I've been to other forums and some can handle "repuation" and "post count" and custom avatars and sigs and as unique as those forums are, B.net remains to be the most unique I've ever seen, personally.

Good to see you again Shai (seriously.)


Yes. Suck-ups are ALWAYS a good thing to have.

Oh, and off that, Jeff, you make me laugh, man. Kudos.

  • 10.27.2007 2:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shai Hulud
Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Good read but all these different kinds of people makes Bungie.net so great. I've been to other forums and some can handle "repuation" and "post count" and custom avatars and sigs and as unique as those forums are, B.net remains to be the most unique I've ever seen, personally.

Good to see you again Shai (seriously.)


Yes. Suck-ups are ALWAYS a good thing to have.


Yeah well......some things can't be changed eh? It's not like we can get rid of suck-ups, spammers, flamers, etc. Not everyone is going to be posting the same after all.

  • 10.27.2007 3:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shai Hulud
Not really. I was here before the influx of Halo 3 (before that, and before that even!), and as I said, there was lack of change.

Well since you´re not buying that theory I might as well turn to theory B. I personally find there to be a change lately though, for the worse. Anyways, so Im just going to assume that you are refering to the lack of a significant change since you first joined, which if your "member since" is correct was 2003.

I´d say that many of these groups you´ve mentioned in your OP post can be found on plenty of sites and are not just signed Bungie.net. There are however some groups that are more or less special for this community due to the interactions between members and staff/devs. Few other communties are blessed with this. Go to ubisofts site or wherever and you will come across moderators but they dont know more about the actuall work than the moderators here. On this site though we´re constantly being updated by the people that are working with and on the new titles and theyre involvment with the communty leads to people sucking up and flaming in hope that some of these people will pick up on it. Theres no point doing that on other sites since no one will see it anyways, or atleast not repond to it. I dont know, it just feels like that could be a reason, or part of the reason, for certain peoples behavior.

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You should know shai that the community has pretty much stayed the same since the release of halo 2. With such a large influx of people with the releases of halo 2 and 3, it is an impossible feat to change the community, especially an internet community.

If we wanted to change this community, we would need everyone to contribute to it, and if what you said is correct, people will not listen to us, and therefore a change in this community will not happen anytime soon.

Many members of bungie wish that the community will evolve into something better, but i do not see it happening anytime soon

  • 10.27.2007 3:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: evilcam
Gz, I'd kill the whole world for you




3-19-07

You know why that this site is nothing but an online High-school? Most people here are in High-School, myself included.

Personally, I think I'm one of those Nerds, but many people might say I'm a suck up due to my friendship with a few of the mods and some might even say I'm one of the popular ones, as my opinionated tendency and realistic view towards life(among other things) makes many people love/hate me.

Honestly, I only some-what agree with IceMan, being this is one of the most Unique forums I have ever seen. Having said that. The Forum's uniqueness is great, the community's uniqueness is horrible.

Bungie.net would be a lot better, if It was less like, dare I say, #chan.

  • 10.27.2007 3:49 PM PDT
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The community is good at being whinetastic -blam!-s. It's the only thing they know how to do well.

But what are we supposed to do? Nothing? Some of us do a damn good job of that.

  • 10.27.2007 4:55 PM PDT
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But what are we supposed to do? Nothing? Some of us do a damn good job of that.

Posted by: 343 Guilty Spark
Oh hello


Posted by: Gzalzi
You know why that this site is nothing but an online High-school? Most people here are in High-School, myself included...

You know that most of the people in this thread are in college? I've known these guys for years, and when we were in high school on this site we didn't act anything like the people you see now. I think that's what Shai is getting at.

  • 10.27.2007 8:43 PM PDT

You say tomato; I say potato.

I <3 this forum. It is the only one like it on the internet. All of the others are too quiet, stuck up, or informal. This place isn't like that. The many types of people make it so dynamic, it's a wonder that we can agree on anything.

  • 10.27.2007 9:07 PM PDT

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You missed the point like Vader missed the banshee, your whole argument is covered in bees.
Stop sending me group invites -blam!-s!

If you think the community hasn't changed since before Halo 2 then what are you doing here?
If you don't like this community find another one. Sure it has it's annoying people but if everyone was the same and agreed with each other all the time that would be boring now wouldn't it?

Your analogy of High school doesn't make a great argument since complaining about the social collective on Bungie.net, makes you seem like an outcast on these forums and at school.

I think this community is diverse and the mods are here to keep people from stepping out of line. Complaining about the mods is pointless too, they don't get paid to moderate and they have lives outside this site, so why complain about them "not doing their job"? Simply complaining about spammers, flamers and the like won't just simply make them go away so this entire thread is pointless. I'm not saying that you're are wrong but you are making too big of an issue which isn't really an issue to begin with. If the community has always been like this then why do you expect it to change?

  • 10.27.2007 9:09 PM PDT
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Forums here are pretty good compaired to most other ones on the web, though the Halo 3 Forums and the recent influx of members since Halo 3 hasen't made it any better.

But there is a simple two word solution to the problems that plague you with members here that many here have learned to do:
Ignore Them.

[Edited on 10.27.2007 9:19 PM PDT]

  • 10.27.2007 9:18 PM PDT

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Officium quod Fidelitas.

The community died in like...April 04...

Very valid points though.

  • 10.27.2007 9:39 PM PDT
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Any forum with as many members as Bungie.net is guaranteed to have problems.

Not to mention the fact that the majority of them are probably quite young...

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yea man i think you've it pretty much all right. Those with reasonable suggestions and/or commentary are often shot down because of other's immaturity and idiocy. I'm glad someone has the desire and alacrity to analyze bungie's community and comment on it as well. I applaud your efforts to not only present the facts, but also to instill a sense of understanding in anyone willing to read this thread.


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  • 10.27.2007 10:14 PM PDT

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I fully agree Shai, and it's the reason that I no longer see a point in even posting in 90% of the threads I see. Like you said, this is an Internet High School. I put up with that -blam!- in real life, so why would I want to encounter it here as well?

  • 10.27.2007 10:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: evilcam
Gz, I'd kill the whole world for you




3-19-07

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Posted by: Gzalzi
You know why that this site is nothing but an online High-school? Most people here are in High-School, myself included...

You know that most of the people in this thread are in college?


You know, that doesn't change a thing, seeing as the same crap that is in High-Schools is in many Colleges.

It won't change in the 'real' world either, as there will always be groups of people like he is talking about, everywhere.

[Edited on 10.28.2007 2:15 AM PDT]

  • 10.28.2007 2:15 AM PDT
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The only Twitter I follow. Except yours ;)
The Frozen Minority; Bungie's real underground. The oldest members, the deepest controversy, walking infamy.

It's okay, Shai. While we don't have a worthwhile community here anymore, we still have our cliques from when we did. Aka; cya on the Jumpers :-)

PS, if I get around to it, I will expand on this post and discuss your arguments a little more, at the moment I am really busy being fantastic.

  • 10.28.2007 3:13 AM PDT