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MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
Posted by: Langley
--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Prommie...I never knew you were such a perv...I like it. Skirt-looker.

You can say all you want that you are part of the community. I can say that I'm in the Girl Scouts and the NAACP. However, I would imagine that the people that are actually in the public "eye"; those in the "trenches" so to say, are the true community members. I spent tons of time in chapters, but I spent just as much time trying to contribute in the public forums. Because if all the good members retreat to private chapters, what does that leave for the public forums? Just the type of people you are complaining about. So who is more responsible for the problem? You or them?

~B.B.

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  • 10.31.2007 3:54 PM PDT

I am a Floodian

Members can't regulate other members. You have to regulate yourself, thus the blame falls on the new members who fail to do this, not the new and old members who can't stop it.

  • 10.31.2007 4:00 PM PDT

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Need help finding skulls, make sure to go here.

I don't understand how anyone could say this isn't a community. For me, a community is a group of people, all basically just communicating with each other. And, no matter what you say, that is what Bungie.net is. Yes, I have respect for some people, and none for others. Consciously, I try to treat everyone the same, and read what they say before thinking about their name. But we all know that would be a lie if I or anyone else says they don't care who posts, just what they post.

I haven't been active in the community for a very long time, but I like to think I have been involved since then. In my opinion, it shouldn't matter whether or not you have been active recently, everyone has the right to post and say whatever they want, given that they follow the rules. But, before someone makes a post, I think they should not only think about what they are going to say, but whether what they are saying is true for them, or true for everyone. Then, you need to make your post based on your answer to the last question.

This thread seems like it only applies to a certain group of people. I, and I gather from this thread several others, think Bungie.net is a great place to be. I like to see not only the intelligent discussions going along in the Community Forum, but the others in the Halo 3 Forum, Optimatch, etc. That is why I try to visit most of the different forums on the site. All of the semi-intelligent posting and non-intelligent posting is still part of the community.

I like the influx of new members to Bungie.net. I have already seen several newer people get active, and participate in many different conversations, long and short. Why don't they deserve to be treated the same? Of course we will be divided up into various "classes" for lack of a better word. That's human nature. We will all fall into whichever place we feel comfortable, and more than likely stay there.

You also cannot judge a member's activity based on their posts. I know I was reading over the forums for several years before I actually started making posts, but I still considered myself active. Just because Josher doesn't post in the forums anymore, it doesn't mean he isn't active. Now, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, here, as should we all.

Sorry for the disjointed-ness of the post, I was just typing as I was thinking new things. I apologize in advance ;)

  • 10.31.2007 4:31 PM PDT
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One word: NERD

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Posted by: trigger is happy
One word: NERD

Yet you're posting on a video game forum...



On topic, I disagree. I've seen a lot of changes in my time here. I do agree with you abuot nothing being able to leave...it's hard.

  • 10.31.2007 6:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: Yoozel
The community died in like...April 04...


tru7h.

  • 10.31.2007 6:55 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Posted by: elmicker
hahah, what the -blam!- is this? Jumpers Public Reunion 2007?

What do you think gives you the ability to comment on the state of the community when you've not posted here for literally years?

I've been gone for some time now, and I did say I wouldn't be back

Yes, we remember the drama. Why the comeback and yet another drama thread? You've posted less than 10 times in the last year. Who the -blam!- are you to come back, -blam!-post, and then slag off just about everyone who's about? Get back under your bridge, shai.


Well one would have to take that statement and say it's very immature to nit-pick on a single statement made in a thread that's about a standard page long.

Did I not say that I had actually been observing the forum while I've been "gone?" This is why I'm actually NOT part of the community (which should be taken as a response to most of you others' posts). People like you (who try to portray themselves as smart) don't actually read my posts, so I can't "contribute" even if I wanted to. I will come and go as I please, not as a community member per-say, but as a person.

Such angst you have. Many others who have replied have it too. You get angry at people like me, people who will create these so-called "drama" threads that call out members of the community, new and old. Why not stifle your anger, and take what I've said to heart, and better yourself as a community member. If you read my post, you'll notice that my general tone is negative; implying that the high school atmosphere of this community isn't exactly a good thing. Rather than being petty, and doing exactly what I stated you would do, try to do things (whatever they may be) to better this community in some way.

Elmicker, you tell me to get back under my bridge. Why? I care about this community, and I will state my concerns when I please. And wouldn't you say that my presence, and the fact that I've brought out many who haven't posted in a while, more "veterans," is a good thing? It adds a bit of color, in my opinion.

Elmicker, get off your pedestal.

[Edited on 10.31.2007 9:18 PM PDT]

  • 10.31.2007 9:13 PM PDT

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~~Pardon Our Dust.~~

Posted by: Tony West
Posted by: Yoozel
The community died in like...April 04...


tru7h.

And you are..?

These new accounts that seem to know so much about the community are seriously getting annoying. What happened to your old one? :P Sheesh.

I highly doubt it expired and you suddenly decided to come back.

  • 10.31.2007 10:07 PM PDT
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I always have found these forums amusing, everything from teh l337 h4xorz and their horrible spelling ( a trait that missed my generation,) all the way to the seemingly intelligent like my best friend for life Shai here. Unfortunately, most likely due to my own oversite, I missed the part where Shai explained which group he fell into. But hey, that's cool because I figured it out. We're all in highschool, in our groups, which is the same as the real world in case no one paid attention to the scientific research that said friends and groups (ie clicks) you form in late adolescence are generally going to be the ones you stick with. So by the same thought pattern we could assume that if this site is highschool, and highschool is connected to later adult hood, then Shai is God.

Did everyone see how I got that?
[[quote]
Did I not say that I had actually been observing the forum while I've been "gone?"

Just like the Easterbunny, Santa, Jesus and all the other imaginary characters in my head, Shai sits back observing but never intervening. Upon his much praised and celebrated return, rather than rewarding us for our diligent service, he merely condemns us for our sins.

KoM WalkingDead

  • 10.31.2007 10:12 PM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

I'm just going to be brutally honest here and say that this Community has turned to utter -blam!-. There's a reason that most of my contact with other Bungie guys takes place outside of bungie.net. And yes, alot of my problems with this site are the result of having a much larger community than what was here two years ago (And obviously, there's nothing that can be done about that. That just goes with the territory of having more people exposed to Halo and Bungie). But all that aside, you can't tell me that you don't sense an ever-increasing level of hostility and intolerance on these forums.

[Edited on 10.31.2007 10:26 PM PDT]

  • 10.31.2007 10:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: KoM WalkingDead
I always have found these forums amusing, everything from teh l337 h4xorz and their horrible spelling ( a trait that missed my generation,) all the way to the seemingly intelligent like my best friend for life Shai here. Unfortunately, most likely due to my own oversite, I missed the part where Shai explained which group he fell into. But hey, that's cool because I figured it out. We're all in highschool, in our groups, which is the same as the real world in case no one paid attention to the scientific research that said friends and groups (ie clicks) you form in late adolescence are generally going to be the ones you stick with. So by the same thought pattern we could assume that if this site is highschool, and highschool is connected to later adult hood, then Shai is God.

Did everyone see how I got that?
[[quote]
Did I not say that I had actually been observing the forum while I've been "gone?"

Just like the Easterbunny, Santa, Jesus and all the other imaginary characters in my head, Shai sits back observing but never intervening. Upon his much praised and celebrated return, rather than rewarding us for our diligent service, he merely condemns us for our sins.

KoM WalkingDead

I can't decide if your post of BB's is more funny, we should vote on it.

  • 11.01.2007 12:04 AM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Sarcasm noted. Worship me if you will, I'll pay no attention to it.

I didn't state the catagory I fit into because I told you I wouldn't name names. I'm more of a nerd/weirdo than anything else. Although, as it has been pointed out, I've not been a very active community member in a while.

  • 11.01.2007 12:25 AM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
Posted by: Langley
--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: Josher 35
Posted by: KoM WalkingDead
I always have found these forums amusing, everything from teh l337 h4xorz and their horrible spelling ( a trait that missed my generation,) all the way to the seemingly intelligent like my best friend for life Shai here. Unfortunately, most likely due to my own oversite, I missed the part where Shai explained which group he fell into. But hey, that's cool because I figured it out. We're all in highschool, in our groups, which is the same as the real world in case no one paid attention to the scientific research that said friends and groups (ie clicks) you form in late adolescence are generally going to be the ones you stick with. So by the same thought pattern we could assume that if this site is highschool, and highschool is connected to later adult hood, then Shai is God.

Did everyone see how I got that?
[[quote]
Did I not say that I had actually been observing the forum while I've been "gone?"

Just like the Easterbunny, Santa, Jesus and all the other imaginary characters in my head, Shai sits back observing but never intervening. Upon his much praised and celebrated return, rather than rewarding us for our diligent service, he merely condemns us for our sins.

KoM WalkingDead

I can't decide if your post of BB's is more funny, we should vote on it.


Knock yourself out kid. I'd love to see the results. Or you could just convene the "Jumpers Council" right, and let them vote on it. While you're at it, why not take another vote: who has their head stuck up their ass more? Shai or Josher?

"More funny"? Please, go back to your studies. Most of us like to say, "funnier". Such as, "I can't tell which is funnier, Josher's failed attempts at intellect or his hubris?"

Cheers,

~B.B.

[Edited on 11.01.2007 1:29 AM PDT]

  • 11.01.2007 1:13 AM PDT
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Clique, vous imbéciles!

-LeGrandPrétendant-

  • 11.01.2007 2:00 AM PDT
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I love the way people are so quick to criticise the Jumpers, and try to publicly taint it's name because they were kicked out for being sly, deceptive little bastards. I won't defend our negative sides (we're loud, opinionated, and enjoy nothing better than to wind each other up), but we've never ever been elitist. When we closed the group, some people actually made a thread about it here in the Septagon, and someone even got other people to post on there behalf at how they hated us (isn't that right Psyched?!). Well take your opinions, and shove them up your collective arse. We're a close-knit bunch of 20 or so guys, who've played Halo together now for 3 years. We know each other inside out almost, and I'll say right now that without the group, my enjoyment of Halo would be reduced by a factor of 10. We're more like a web-based family (what with our drama's and all), but we've never forgotten how we all met up (our roots if you will).

So when one of us feels the need to post / vent about it on here (especially someone like Shai, who should be given god-like status on Bnet in my opinion), I think it's utterly shameful that his thread is basically shat upon. The one's who are guilty of it should be ashamed really, considering how you view yourselves to be 'top-tier' members here. Unlike most of you, us Jumpers actually enjoy spending time with each other on Halo, not talking in MOAP all day, whining and complaining like the children that you all are. That's why we're so close, and will defend each other (when picked on without provocation) to the hills and back.

  • 11.01.2007 5:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: Tony West
Posted by: Yoozel
The community died in like...April 04...


tru7h.

And you are..?

These new accounts that seem to know so much about the community are seriously getting annoying. What happened to your old one? :P Sheesh.

I highly doubt it expired and you suddenly decided to come back.

tru7h.

  • 11.01.2007 5:56 AM PDT

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

Posted by: Shai Hulud
I'm more of a nerd/weirdo than anything else.

You left out kinky.

Seriously, zentai fetish? Thats just wierd man.

  • 11.01.2007 6:35 AM PDT
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Can we move the focus of this thread away from the Jumpers for a bit? While all these jibes and insults are rather amusing, you're missing the point of the original post.

And let me note that while most of the Jumpers (excluding Pezza) aren't active on the forums nowadays, that doesn't mean they DIDN'T do good things for the community.

Now, back on topic. Anything else about this can be said over PM.
-TGP-

  • 11.01.2007 7:34 AM PDT
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For the first time in ever I've decided to read the Bungie forums, now I feel like contributing. I believe this is my second post, however first upon my own will and first I've actually read a section of what I'm actually replying to. Forgive me if I miss anything or don't make sense, I'm in quite a bit of pain and it's 2am, ahh!

Ideally, any person would love to come along and contribute to an online community in their own unique way without being flamed or judged by some ridiculous means. Bungie has seemed to become more and more popular which therefore is going to attract many sorts of people INCLUDING annoying spammers, those with too much testosterone who scream at inanimate objects, suck ups, popular members of the community and so on and so forth. You find those people anywhere in life, not JUST in a high school, however as people tend to mature and realise they don't really have anyone to impress, this behavior decreases in some. We must remember not ALL teenagers are like this either.

Basically you have to put up with these people, attempt to get along with them and maybe understand what on earth they're actually on about and if there is a point to their behavior. From my experience if most non-arrogant people are given a logical reason not to do what they're doing, they'll stop doing it. Alternatively, you could just ignore them, or occasionally make jokes about them because no one can really be bothered wasting their time. The thing to try and avoid in online forums is to start an all out flaming war. Again, humans love to passionately express and/or force their opinions onto others, so arguing is sometimes unavoidable.

As for the post I'm actually quoting/replying to (if it shows up not sure if I have to put in some sort of code or something) ...
People have to look up to a certain leader, we are like pack animals on a larger and a more complex scale. For some reason this generation is bombarded with ridiculous and plain stupid role models and those of it don't seem to have enough sense to think otherwise. I'm not entirely sure why, however I can make the assumption that it's because some feel unaccepted in society for whatever reason and the typical view of someone who is admired is one who is attractive, has a lot of friends and is generally popular. This image is portrayed along with eating disorders, drugs, alcohol etc.
This could contribute to the fact that teens act differently these days and that of on these forums since the range of people and people's cultures on these forums I'd imagine is very vast. I can't really say much about that however since this is my first actual post.

I'm getting pretty off topic talking about real life when I'm supposed to be discussing people's behavior on the internet, but I couldn't help but add that in. Well, as for the eruption of the "internet is serious business" over all attitude, people tend to think of the internet as a totally different thing than that of real life. Instead of thinking of it as simply communicating with a different person in a different way than that of normal every day communication. It can be funny making jokes about these things however some take it way too far and it becomes a part of their lives. Speaking of, I remember hearing once about a guy who actually SERIOUSLY believed the whole Bungie-staged "society of the ancients" viral marketing for Halo 3. I think I actually played with him today too, haha!

Well, I do agree on some point with the original post, however I do think complaining about it really isn't going to get anyone anywhere. These people are everywhere in life and there is no way you can avoid them unfortunately.
Hope my first post went well and whoever reads it enjoys it. =]

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Posted by: Shai Hulud
Well one would have to take that statement and say it's very immature to nit-pick on a single statement made in a thread that's about a standard page long.


Length doesnt matter when it's invalididated by its very content. You can prattle on about monitoring the forums all you like. Still doesn't give you the ability to come back after more than 2 years of near absolute inactivity and post something that would get anyone else banned. You tried to categorise every bungie.net member (except yourself and your fellow "veterans") into a selection of negative categories. It's nowt short of trolling.

You get angry at people like me

What makes you think i'm angry? :S

and better yourself as a community member.

How would you have me better myself oh great worm?

try to do things (whatever they may be) to better this community in some way.

Practice what you preach, worm. I'm not the one who's -blam!-posting here.


Posted by: JAY132
(especially someone like Shai, who should be given god-like status on Bnet in my opinion),


how you view yourselves to be 'top-tier' members here.

top-tier

god

[Edited on 11.01.2007 10:19 AM PDT]

  • 11.01.2007 10:15 AM PDT

Posted by: Shai Hulud
Elmicker, you tell me to get back under my bridge. Why? I care about this community, and I will state my concerns when I please. And wouldn't you say that my presence, and the fact that I've brought out many who haven't posted in a while, more "veterans," is a good thing? It adds a bit of color, in my opinion.


No, a good thing would be if you and your posse came up wih constructive ways to fix these so-called ills of our community. Not to incite people and rant about what hundreds of people have already said.

If you really cared Shai and wanted B.net to be more like the good ol' days, then you would get back in the trenches and cause positive change.

  • 11.01.2007 10:33 AM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: atomic weggie
No, a good thing would be if you and your posse came up wih constructive ways to fix these so-called ills of our community. Not to incite people and rant about what hundreds of people have already said.

If you really cared Shai and wanted B.net to be more like the good ol' days, then you would get back in the trenches and cause positive change.


Quite the summary of my feelings.

Just because your name has weight and significance in the Jumpers, Josher and crew, doesn't mean all of that fame is instantly transfered to its same value here. When no one knows your name and you say things that are just plain arrogant and unwarranted, you make a fool of yourself. No one is too fond of having an apparent nobody waltz in and start barking orders; mean, malicious orders, no doubt.

That said, I'm not one to hold a grudge. If you're willing to do some manual labor, put your back where your mouth is, then there should be no reason why everyone here couldn't get along.

  • 11.01.2007 10:53 AM PDT
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I wish the Jumpers would visit the main forums more often. That's not a complaint, but a wish.


We all like to hide in some form of group. No, we like to put others in groups.
Hey look at those snobby Jumpers!
These are new members, so they suck!


Maybe that's the key problem right there. We've been granted a labelmaker, and damn it, we sure are going to use it!

The old eccentric man hiding in his alcove might not mix with the villagers much, but he's still part of the village. And even if he doesn't do any community service, he can still see the litter on the sidewalk.

Both "sides" here make a point. In the last few months, I started to dislike the community, but it's thanks to some of the active embers that I decided to come back. And when i come back from a short break, I can look at things a with a new set of glasses.
I don't know, maybe I'm that old guy in the old house, staring from behind the window curtain to the youngsters rambling on the streets.

[Edited on 11.01.2007 11:21 AM PDT]

  • 11.01.2007 11:20 AM PDT

Posted by: just another fan
I wish the Jumpers would visit the main forums more often. That's not a complaint, but a wish.


I don't if all they're going to do is kick the current community in the nuts. "I told you so" and labeling people isn't a constructive way of evaluating anything. Yes Shai is entitled to his opinion. But like I said before, stating your opinion is so much more well received when it's followed by constructive ways of fixing what you think is wrong.

  • 11.01.2007 11:35 AM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: Shai Hulud
Well one would have to take that statement and say it's very immature to nit-pick on a single statement made in a thread that's about a standard page long.


Length doesnt matter when it's invalididated by its very content. You can prattle on about monitoring the forums all you like. Still doesn't give you the ability to come back after more than 2 years of near absolute inactivity and post something that would get anyone else banned. You tried to categorise every bungie.net member (except yourself and your fellow "veterans") into a selection of negative categories. It's nowt short of trolling.


Length doesn't matter much, but my concern was that you didn't say much about my actual post. You decided to get pissy and tell me to leave. I don't think you really read the post. You saw that I was "complaining" in your eyes, and you want me to -blam!- off. That is, more or less, a flame of sorts, and I knew that I'd get it from someone. I'm not surprised it came from you.

What gives me the ability to come back after, READ: Half a year!, is the fact that my account remains, and so it shall, because I'm connected to this place in an almost profound way. This community isn't what it used to be. It doesn't accept who I am anymore. It stopped doing that about two years ago. For a time, I dealt with it, up until I saw how some were treated once they were elevated to Moderator status. People who hated them turned tail and started liking them just because they were mods. I commented on this, and I was faced with a general lack of acceptance of my own opinion. Also, decisions made by Bungie that were, in my opinion, complete bull-blam!-, coupled with the community's general lack of reaction to them, caused me to see that I just didn't fit in.

However, I stay because I am still connected. One does not simply say "no more," and walk away without threads lingering back to the source. When I said I would leave, I knew I'd be back. I didn't necessarily want to admit it, but I knew. Part of me still loves it here. The escape, the nostalgia. Although, a vast part of me has a distaste for it. For me, this place is like a candied-apple that has gone rotten. It's got it's caramelly goodness, but the bulk of it seems to want me to spit it back out once I take a bite. You, elmicker, are part of the rotten apple.

You get angry at people like me

What makes you think i'm angry? :S


I'd say telling me to get lost and saying I have no right to be here are statements filled with hostility. And you say you're not feeling any anger? I question your grasp on your own emotions. Try counseling. It might help.

and better yourself as a community member.

How would you have me better myself oh great worm?


I'm well aware that I don't deserve the immediate respect from newer memebers who have never heard of me. However, telling me, and others who have been around for a damned long amount of time, to get lost when they come back is not an admiral thing to do. Although you may not see it, I have influenced others, who have influenced others, who probably even influenced those who are active to day in some ways. Depending on the user and the time period, those influences may have come about due to actions of good, or actions that were generally despised. Even those who are despised at least serve as an example of what not to be like for the general public, and for that, they are invaluable. Whether or not the public decides to accept them is another thing. How can you learn from an argument if you don't get to see both sides?

try to do things (whatever they may be) to better this community in some way.

Practice what you preach, worm. I'm not the one who's -blam!-posting here.


My thread is evidence of such practice. Whether you like it or not, I have brought back those who haven't posted here in some time. I believe their presence is a benefit to the community.

Posted by: atomic weggie
Posted by: Shai Hulud
Elmicker, you tell me to get back under my bridge. Why? I care about this community, and I will state my concerns when I please. And wouldn't you say that my presence, and the fact that I've brought out many who haven't posted in a while, more "veterans," is a good thing? It adds a bit of color, in my opinion.


No, a good thing would be if you and your posse came up wih constructive ways to fix these so-called ills of our community. Not to incite people and rant about what hundreds of people have already said.

If you really cared Shai and wanted B.net to be more like the good ol' days, then you would get back in the trenches and cause positive change.


What better way to do that than to make the community aware of what we think? Being in no positions of real power, me and my "posse" (hah!) can't just go and change things without making what we think known.

So, because I, and the people with whom my forum personality "grew up" with on this site have some distaste for the state of the community now means that we can't be here and try to make things better? What kind of "community" throws away those who stop fitting in? Read some history, and you'll find that those types of communities have not been very moral in their decisions.

Posted by: BerserkerBarage (in response to Josher)
Knock yourself out kid. I'd love to see the results. Or you could just convene the "Jumpers Council" right, and let them vote on it. While you're at it, why not take another vote: who has their head stuck up their ass more? Shai or Josher?

"More funny"? Please, go back to your studies. Most of us like to say, "funnier". Such as, "I can't tell which is funnier, Josher's failed attempts at intellect or his hubris?"

Cheers,

~B.B.


First, I'd like to see why you think Josher and I have our heads stuck up our asses, if only because we don't like the current state of the community.

Don't you see anything wrong with that? Automatically assuming that we're stuck-up because of our opinions of the forums are negative? Go through these questions in your head: How does that make us stuck up? Is it right to call us that merely because our opinions are different from your own?

Second, I despise your attempt to insult Josher because he decided to use formal grammer. Say funnier all you want, B.B., we all know what you mean. But calling someone stuck up for saying something differently than you, and claiming that it's what the community uses, is quite hypocritical. It's like telling a teacher to piss off when she tells you that "ain't" ain't a word!

Many of you claim to speak for the community, but honestly, in doing so, you're giving the community an even worse name than what I labeled it with. I'm going to choose to think that you are not competent spokesmen for this community, and are simply choosing to speak out of your asses through anger without thinking beforehand.



[Edited on 11.01.2007 11:48 AM PDT]

  • 11.01.2007 11:47 AM PDT