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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: Psyched
Can I point out that this thread is about the community, not you? You're not helping progress.
I'm not sure you caught the point of my post. Sorry, it's probably my fault, since I tend to be wordy and some people don't have the capability to focus for that long. I was basically trying to boil down the arguments into their respective summaries, and then encourage people to respond to those arguments rather than the somewhat nasty side comments.

  • 11.01.2007 2:50 PM PDT
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Well we know the problem(s) (I think its been talk about enough for this topic)
So whats the solution?
Posted by: elmicker
Lord knows what you'll actually try. Personally i'd lay money on a resurrection of the seventh column council. It's about due any time now.

Posted by: Psyched
elmicker - I think the council is a great idea. You should try to get it back together, and you may as well try to set things in motion yourself. It'd be a good way to get people working together to a common aim.

Bringing back the council would help fix, or at least be the 1st step to making the community even better.
Though who do we let be in the council, how many, and what are their duties is a good place to start.

Perhaps create a new seperate topic to figure this out and eliminate any confustion if others were to read this topic, since many pages are mostly just talking about the problem but not a solution?

[Edited on 11.01.2007 2:54 PM PDT]

  • 11.01.2007 2:51 PM PDT
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Christ, the council suggestion was a joke :P. It's dead, jim.

  • 11.01.2007 2:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: elmicker
Christ, the council suggestion was a joke :P. It's dead, jim.

Man, now I feel a bit dumb about my last post now :P

  • 11.01.2007 2:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: SexyBanannaGirl
Can someone explain the septagon council for me? I feel a bit lost


It's an idea that's been proposed literally dozens of times. In theory, it's a bunch of respected members getting together and putting together things like recommendations for achronos and the community, running contests, spotlights, providing help to chapters and other community stuff like that. In practice however... Well. Let's just say it didn't work.

  • 11.01.2007 3:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: elmicker
It's an idea that's been proposed literally dozens of times. In theory, it's a bunch of respected members getting together and putting together things like recommendations for achronos and the community, running contests, spotlights, providing help to chapters and other community stuff like that. In practice however... Well. Let's just say it didn't work.

Unless theres some new way of fixing whatever happened to it in the past, then I guess we better move on to a better solution.
But I don't even know where to begin on what to implement/fix/etc.

  • 11.01.2007 3:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: El Roboto
Posted by: elmicker
It's an idea that's been proposed literally dozens of times. In theory, it's a bunch of respected members getting together and putting together things like recommendations for achronos and the community, running contests, spotlights, providing help to chapters and other community stuff like that. In practice however... Well. Let's just say it didn't work.

Unless theres some new way of fixing whatever happened to it in the past, then I guess we better move on to a better solution.
But I don't even know where to begin on what to implement/fix/etc.
When the theory seems solid, the problem is usually in the implementation. With this, if I'm recalling correctly, there were a host of issues, but the biggest issues were with power-hunger, petty gripes, elitism, and laziness. All of these issues could easily be addressed, but it would take a concerted effort and require a lot of people to give in a little bit. I also think that it would take one or two people to run something like this who have all of the following: authoritativeness, fairness, and extreme amounts of integrity.

Frankly, I don't see it happening successfully anytime soon, but it's never too late to give up hope.

[Edited on 11.01.2007 3:28 PM PDT]

  • 11.01.2007 3:27 PM PDT
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Well I guess its worth another try, at least to try and fix it:P

So far it would be best to have a few people at most, and that they would actually be well for this.

Hmm, its going to be very hard for us to find anyone that would be fair, trustworthy, and autoritative enough in the community to do this.

  • 11.01.2007 3:34 PM PDT
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Just a shot in tthe dark, since im new here, what was the 7th column council?

  • 11.01.2007 3:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: muffin360
Just a shot in tthe dark, since im new here, what was the 7th column council?

Read above you about a few post :P
Posted by: elmicker
It's an idea that's been proposed literally dozens of times. In theory, it's a bunch of respected members getting together and putting together things like recommendations for achronos and the community, running contests, spotlights, providing help to chapters and other community stuff like that. In practice however... Well. Let's just say it didn't work.


[Edited on 11.01.2007 3:54 PM PDT]

  • 11.01.2007 3:54 PM PDT

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Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: El Roboto
Hmm, its going to be very hard for us to find anyone that would be fair, trustworthy, and autoritative enough in the community to do this.


*cough* Foman *cough*

Man, have I a need to get rid of this cold...

  • 11.01.2007 4:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: evilcam
Gz, I'd kill the whole world for you




3-19-07

Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: El Roboto
Hmm, its going to be very hard for us to find anyone that would be fair, trustworthy, and autoritative enough in the community to do this.


*cough* Foman *cough*

Man, have I a need to get rid of this cold...


Although I do love Foman,

<3

I must say that any sort of leader/unifying figure is not needed and should never be implemented, It will only cause problems.



Oh wait, I only joined last year, I forgot my opinion doesn't matter. Sorry sirs, I'll get back to pickin' me cotton. (Not directed at you, Prometheus.)

[Edited on 11.01.2007 4:09 PM PDT]

  • 11.01.2007 4:08 PM PDT
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Twitch for modz.

  • 11.01.2007 4:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

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Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: El Roboto
Hmm, its going to be very hard for us to find anyone that would be fair, trustworthy, and autoritative enough in the community to do this.


*cough* Foman *cough*

Man, have I a need to get rid of this cold...


Although I do love Foman,

<3

I must say that any sort of leader/unifying figure is not needed and should never be implemented, It will only cause problems.



Oh wait, I only joined last year, I forgot my opinion doesn't matter. Sorry sirs, I'll get back to pickin' me cotton. (Not directed at you, Prometheus.)
Thanks guys, but I wouldn't want to be the one to run something like this, although I'd gladly participate in anything that is reasonably designed to make the Community better and cooler. I do, however, think that something like this would need a good leader with the qualities I mentioned.

Just to be clear about the kind of leadership I would want to see: I'm not saying that one person should make all the decisions. I would suggest setting something like this up in the same way that a corporation or our government is set up. Trying to get administrative or executive tasks done by committee doesn't work in any context -- but major decisions should clearly be made by popular "vote" or consensus. I'd have some good ideas on how to set something like this up so that it didn't fail, but this thread is probably not the best place to discuss them. Perhaps somebody will make elmicker's joke come true and start a new thread about it :-)

  • 11.01.2007 4:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
No.

the council doesn't sound so bad.

  • 11.01.2007 4:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: elmicker
Christ, the council suggestion was a joke :P. It's dead, jim.

And a great joke it was.

I'll tell you a little about what the council was. Back in oh I'm not sure maybe 05? A good portion of the community thought it would be a good idea to get a Council that would as elmicker said, represent the community, do spotlights, etc. However, we got pretty far, as we had the members (I was one of the founders, but I haven't done anything for this community, lol) and chapter or group all situated, but we never really got the ball rolling. We did some things, but not much and after some time it died. Mainly due to Toast becoming a mod.

Now you guys could go ahead and try the whole council thing out, but you won't get as much out of it as you put in, which pretty much amounts to nothing. I do have an idea on what needs to be done for the community, but I will not post that idea in this thread and I will most likely not post that thread for some time seeing as how my time is constrained with life, college, and work. That and I'm trying to explain what community is to two members here.

  • 11.01.2007 6:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: Josher 35
Posted by: elmicker
Christ, the council suggestion was a joke :P. It's dead, jim.

And a great joke it was.

I'll tell you a little about what the council was. Back in oh I'm not sure maybe 05? A good portion of the community thought it would be a good idea to get a Council that would as elmicker said, represent the community, do spotlights, etc. However, we got pretty far, as we had the members (I was one of the founders, but I haven't done anything for this community, lol) and chapter or group all situated, but we never really got the ball rolling. We did some things, but not much and after some time it died. Mainly due to Toast becoming a mod.

Now you guys could go ahead and try the whole council thing out, but you won't get as much out of it as you put in, which pretty much amounts to nothing. I do have an idea on what needs to be done for the community, but I will not post that idea in this thread and I will most likely not post that thread for some time seeing as how my time is constrained with life, college, and work. That and I'm trying to explain what community is to two members here.

Hmm, so thats what happened.
Anyways I can wait to hear the idea you have schemed up.
Just don't put it on the backburners for too long :P

So I guess we're throwing out the council idea then.

Actually I think we need to make a list of major problems/current problems in the community and then see what options are availiable to fix them.
Though I dunno how far this will go until we reach a dead end on what we as members can do about the problem:S

[Edited on 11.01.2007 6:28 PM PDT]

  • 11.01.2007 6:28 PM PDT

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Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: x Foman123 x
Thanks guys, but I wouldn't want to be the one to run something like this, although I'd gladly participate in anything that is reasonably designed to make the Community better and cooler. I do, however, think that something like this would need a good leader with the qualities I mentioned.

Just to be clear about the kind of leadership I would want to see: I'm not saying that one person should make all the decisions. I would suggest setting something like this up in the same way that a corporation or our government is set up. Trying to get administrative or executive tasks done by committee doesn't work in any context -- but major decisions should clearly be made by popular "vote" or consensus. I'd have some good ideas on how to set something like this up so that it didn't fail, but this thread is probably not the best place to discuss them. Perhaps somebody will make elmicker's joke come true and start a new thread about it :-)


Well of course you wouldn't, not many people would want to do it alone. If something like this sarcastic idea were ever to be done, or anything similar for that matter, it'd be best to have several leaders, rather than a single one.

That said, mentioning your name was much more of a joke than it was serious. While I would place full support in you, I would never pressure you into doing something you weren't selected for or something you volunteered for yourself.

  • 11.01.2007 6:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
No.

Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: x Foman123 x
Thanks guys, but I wouldn't want to be the one to run something like this, although I'd gladly participate in anything that is reasonably designed to make the Community better and cooler. I do, however, think that something like this would need a good leader with the qualities I mentioned.

Just to be clear about the kind of leadership I would want to see: I'm not saying that one person should make all the decisions. I would suggest setting something like this up in the same way that a corporation or our government is set up. Trying to get administrative or executive tasks done by committee doesn't work in any context -- but major decisions should clearly be made by popular "vote" or consensus. I'd have some good ideas on how to set something like this up so that it didn't fail, but this thread is probably not the best place to discuss them. Perhaps somebody will make elmicker's joke come true and start a new thread about it :-)

But Foman would be a great leader.
Well of course you wouldn't, not many people would want to do it alone. If something like this sarcastic idea were ever to be done, or anything similar for that matter, it'd be best to have several leaders, rather than a single one.

That said, mentioning your name was much more of a joke than it was serious. While I would place full support in you, I would never pressure you into doing something you weren't selected for or something you volunteered for yourself.

  • 11.01.2007 6:35 PM PDT

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Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: conko bob 43
But Foman would be a great leader.


Yes, he (as well as several others) would make a fantastic figurehead of the B.net community, I whole-heartedly agree with that.

However, not everyone wants that responsibility, or at least not fully resting on their shoulders alone. I wanted to be sure that Foman, as well as anyone else, knew that I had no intention of, nor liking for, whoring their name for personal benefit or jest. It was merely ment as a joke. A serious joke, if you will.

[Edited on 11.01.2007 7:01 PM PDT]

  • 11.01.2007 6:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: I 13333333337 I
For the first time in ever I've decided to read the Bungie forums, now I feel like contributing. I believe this is my second post, however first upon my own will and first I've actually read a section of what I'm actually replying to. Forgive me if I miss anything or don't make sense, I'm in quite a bit of pain and it's 2am, ahh!

Ideally, any person would love to come along and contribute to an online community in their own unique way without being flamed or judged by some ridiculous means. Bungie has seemed to become more and more popular which therefore is going to attract many sorts of people INCLUDING annoying spammers, those with too much testosterone who scream at inanimate objects, suck ups, popular members of the community and so on and so forth. You find those people anywhere in life, not JUST in a high school, however as people tend to mature and realise they don't really have anyone to impress, this behavior decreases in some. We must remember not ALL teenagers are like this either.

Basically you have to put up with these people, attempt to get along with them and maybe understand what on earth they're actually on about and if there is a point to their behavior. From my experience if most non-arrogant people are given a logical reason not to do what they're doing, they'll stop doing it. Alternatively, you could just ignore them, or occasionally make jokes about them because no one can really be bothered wasting their time. The thing to try and avoid in online forums is to start an all out flaming war. Again, humans love to passionately express and/or force their opinions onto others, so arguing is sometimes unavoidable.

As for the post I'm actually quoting/replying to (if it shows up not sure if I have to put in some sort of code or something) ...
People have to look up to a certain leader, we are like pack animals on a larger and a more complex scale. For some reason this generation is bombarded with ridiculous and plain stupid role models and those of it don't seem to have enough sense to think otherwise. I'm not entirely sure why, however I can make the assumption that it's because some feel unaccepted in society for whatever reason and the typical view of someone who is admired is one who is attractive, has a lot of friends and is generally popular. This image is portrayed along with eating disorders, drugs, alcohol etc.
This could contribute to the fact that teens act differently these days and that of on these forums since the range of people and people's cultures on these forums I'd imagine is very vast. I can't really say much about that however since this is my first actual post.

I'm getting pretty off topic talking about real life when I'm supposed to be discussing people's behavior on the internet, but I couldn't help but add that in. Well, as for the eruption of the "internet is serious business" over all attitude, people tend to think of the internet as a totally different thing than that of real life. Instead of thinking of it as simply communicating with a different person in a different way than that of normal every day communication. It can be funny making jokes about these things however some take it way too far and it becomes a part of their lives. Speaking of, I remember hearing once about a guy who actually SERIOUSLY believed the whole Bungie-staged "society of the ancients" viral marketing for Halo 3. I think I actually played with him today too, haha!

Well, I do agree on some point with the original post, however I do think complaining about it really isn't going to get anyone anywhere. These people are everywhere in life and there is no way you can avoid them unfortunately.
Hope my first post went well and whoever reads it enjoys it. =]


Excellent post man. Hope you're enjoying Bungie.net lol

These kinds of things tend to go about in cycles. Things seem great then we have complications. But hey, it makes for some interesting discussions nonetheless!

  • 11.01.2007 8:16 PM PDT