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Subject: Interesting Lack of Change.

I'm sure that my post won't be read because I only joined two years ago, or because it's not long enough, or because I'm not friends with any of you or not known enough, but I'll give it a shot.

You're right. It hasn't changed. People are still being friends, people are still having fun, people are still creating threads that criticize the forums and community, people are still hiding in groups, new people are still coming in, etc., and I don't really see a problem with it. If you think the community needs more caption contests, go right ahead and make something. If you think the community needs variety, be different. If you think creating this thread helps anything, go back to your groups. As to the people who think there needs to be a figurehead or dictator or whatever, worship someone and have them make your decisions.

There are a lot more posts in the wrong forum, but I'm sure you're mystical time of old had some of that too, although there is a noticeable lack of moderator support.

I'm sure that in a few years or so, the people who are arguing against the OP will be in his position, saying how much the community sucks because it's not how he likes it. And there will be a bunch of people arguing against him, then they will be saying the community sucks, etc.. I know that if this thread was posted a year ago, my post would be extremely different.

  • 11.01.2007 8:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Hobo GRrunt
I'm sure that my post won't be read because I only joined two years ago, or because it's not long enough, or because I'm not friends with any of you or not known enough, but I'll give it a shot.

You're right. It hasn't changed. People are still being friends, people are still having fun, people are still creating threads that criticize the forums and community, people are still hiding in groups, new people are still coming in, etc., and I don't really see a problem with it. If you think the community needs more caption contests, go right ahead and make something. If you think the community needs variety, be different. If you think creating this thread helps anything, go back to your groups. As to the people who think there needs to be a figurehead or dictator or whatever, worship someone and have them make your decisions.

There are a lot more posts in the wrong forum, but I'm sure you're mystical time of old had some of that too, although there is a noticeable lack of moderator support.

I'm sure that in a few years or so, the people who are arguing against the OP will be in his position, saying how much the community sucks because it's not how he likes it. And there will be a bunch of people arguing against him, then they will be saying the community sucks, etc.. I know that if this thread was posted a year ago, my post would be extremely different.

Nice points, and if I could send cookies over the internet I would give you one :D

I mainly have to agree with people posting in the wrong forums.
Between last time I posted and this post, theres been at least five wrong forum topics in the community forums.

  • 11.01.2007 8:24 PM PDT
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HEY i only did that once, and you called me on it, im trying ok? :)

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Posted by: Hobo GRrunt
[sarcasm]I'm sure that my post won't be read because I only joined two years ago, or because it's not long enough, or because I'm not friends with any of you or not known enough, but I'll give it a shot.

Don't worry I'm so LEet, old, and conceited that you don't even stand a chance, lol. EDIT: Sorry I forgot that people started to take things seriously so I'll add my sarcasm tags to make sure no one's feelings get hurt because I'm so OP! [/sarcasm]

Posted by: Hobo GRrunt
If you think the community needs variety, be different.

I can assure you, Shai is different when compared to you by far. That's why he has stood out throughout the years of bnet.

But heaven forbid we have our own opinions about the community and forbid any old people who aren't as "active" as you because they don't know anything.

It seems to me like a lot of you don't know how good this web site/community could be, it's most likely unattainable, but it is possible.

[Edited on 11.01.2007 11:26 PM PDT]

  • 11.01.2007 11:24 PM PDT
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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

Whew, finally got through the whole thing.

Usually when there is a topic this big in this forum, something awesome has happened. I'm floored by the community spirit, and I suddenly love everyone. The hours spent moderating seem like they were worth it, and everyone is happy for about 3 days. This thread however...

The prior happenings are neither here nor there. The bickering has ceased now, and I hope it stays that way. I was never really into the clique thing, so I have no problem banning anyone here. I'm not helping this either, so onto the 'meat and taters'.

Which I'll have to get to later, since I have to leave right now!

  • 11.02.2007 12:18 AM PDT

Being on-topic is not my style. I prefer to be around the topic, beside it, or all up in the topics grill.

The OP is obviously pessimistic and emo. Why even make a thread with such low expectations? You're no different than the people you label as jocks. You think your social group is better than the rest and you talk down about the other groups. Hypocrite?

[Edited on 11.02.2007 4:16 AM PDT]

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Posted by: muffin360
HEY i only did that once, and you called me on it, im trying ok? :)

Thats ok, everyone is only new once. You will learn your way around eventually.

But what really bugs me is that some members who have been here for months or more and should know where to and not to post but I still see about four or five different topics a day being posted in the wrong forums.
Though the moderators have been good at locking them down quickly (props to the mods :D)
Still, it is annoying to see wrong forum topic push some useful or interesting topics down the page (such as this one).

  • 11.02.2007 6:57 AM PDT
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The End

‘The conscious is cancerous if allowed to linger’

"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there."

WTF?

You obviously go under the category you forgot - high on drugs or at least heavily sedated. No pixies here, sorry.

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Posted by: Shai Hulud
So where do we go from here? Should the community, if you can call it that, continue to -blam!- and moan, fanatically defend, or be here just because they can? Or should the community at least try to break it's endless childishness?

I'm going to end by saying that I find it disgusting that so many of you criticize things that quite simply are not the way you want them. The games aren't such-and-such the way you want them. Bungie doesn't treat you the way you want them. One thing that you'll learn in life when or IF you grow up, is that things simply aren't the way you want them, and you have to accept that. -blam!-ing gets you no-where. Bungie responds with an "appease," and then all you do is -blam!- more. Doesn't that say something? It's like asking for cake, and then getting pissed off because someone put sprinkles on top because they were nice.

With that being said, I jump into your flames not with flailing arms, but with a smile on my face saying "I told you so." I am here to embrace your ignorance, if only to better myself and use it against you.


Getting back to the OP's point of how to make the community better...in my opinion it begins and ends with how we, as individuals, choose to treat the other members of the community. I cannot control what any other person writes in these forums, so why get sucked into flaming wars in the first place? I read that other person's response and then decide: am I going to fire back because I don't have to take that crap...or do I see that it serves no real good purpose and let it ride because I'm not going to be able to control what that person says anyway. This thread is an example of how an intelligent and passionate discussion can be found in these forums, and that comes from the people contributing. It has nothing to do with how long a member has been here, or what "group" they fall into. The simplest way to make a community better is to lead by example, and treat other people with the respect that we would hope to be treated. I know it sounds cliche, but to the point of the thread, it's true.

  • 11.02.2007 9:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Alright, now that everyone has got a chance with the "talking stick" I'll respond again. Please, explain to me when I ever said that I spoke for the community? I said that if you only complained and yet offered nothing productive (which this thread is) then I couldn't care less about your opinion. You aren't engaging in constructive criticism, you're engaging in criticism for the sake of criticism. Yeah, it's important to bring up things that you see are wrong, no one would disagree with that, but the purpose is to take those issues and give ways to correct them. When I read the OP, and the subsequent posts in the first few pages, I didn't see any of that. I saw complaining, from people who seemed that they came down from their "ivory towers" to tell us how bad our community is. Thanks, how terribly insightful of you.

Like I said in one of my previous posts: the people who are in the pubic "eye" and those in the "trenches" each day are the true community members. If you only participate in a small aspect of B.net, namely private groups, you are only part of the 7th Column subcommunity. The 7th Column Community is what takes place in the public view because the 7th Column community is available and viewable to everyone. It's not a private chapter with a join queue. Just like how any group I start doesn't represent the 7th Column community and has little to no influence upon it, it is part of the subcommunity. It would be hard to argue against the fact that private chapters make up the subcommunity of the7th Column. Since those are arguably their purpose. However, I also don't see that my group discussing the best and worst cat memes represent the whole 7th Column. My participation in my Cat Meme group doesn't benefit the greater community other than to offer a place for other Cat Meme enthusiasts to come meet. That's pretty slight especially since I'm the only member in my Cat Meme group. (We're looking to expand though)

Now, if I were only involved with my Cat Meme group and never went and involved myself with the overall 7th Column Community, in my opinion, I wouldn't be a member of the community. I'd solely be a member of that subcommunity. I also wouldn't think that I have the ability to speak on the state of the community if I'm no longer involved with it. That's just the same if I only dwell in Body Politic or the Black Chapter or any of the other thousands of subcommunities on B.net.

That's fine if you don't like the 7th Column anymore. That's your choice and your opinion. Just don't feel like it's okay to come criticize the effort the rest of us are doing in the 7th Column. That was and still in my main point of contention with this thread. Just like the Jumpers felt the need to stick together so do the rest of us who are actually part of the 7th Column. If you insult or criticize the efforts of those who feel that we're involved with the 7th Column in it's current state, you shouldn't exactly be surprised that we take offense to it.

Just like you don't like it when we criticize the Jumpers, we aren't exactly fond of when people randomly criticize the 7th Column.

~B.B.

[Edited on 11.02.2007 12:41 PM PDT]

  • 11.02.2007 12:35 PM PDT

Posted by: evilcam
Usually when there is a topic this big in this forum, something awesome has happened. I'm floored by the community spirit, and I suddenly love everyone. The hours spent moderating seem like they were worth it, and everyone is happy for about 3 days. This thread however...


I'm not mad at Shai for what he wrote. He hasn't been here in a while and probably thought he was stating something revolutionary or groundbreaking. When in reality, it's been said 100 times over. Every group since the beginning of mankind has divided itself up into factions, groups, clans, nations, religions, cliques, cities, you name it and we've found a way to seperate ourselves from those we deem different. It's also human nature to dwell on the negative. We do it with our news, our politics, and with each other.

What I don't understand is the nostalgia factor. Why does everyone think that everything was super groovy back to *insert your super groovy start date here*. When in reality, our rose colored glasses were only on way back then because it was our first exposure to B.net, where we met new friends, discussed cool things and immersed ourselves in the culture of this community. That's why we look back fondly and wax poetic about the good ol' days.

It's also human nature for people to move on with their lives or start to resent the very thing they used to love. I definitely get that vibe from some of the older members and mods. My point? The site hasn't changed that much at all, you have.

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  • 11.02.2007 1:31 PM PDT

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elmicker - I think the council is a great idea. You should try to get it back together, and you may as well try to set things in motion yourself. It'd be a good way to get people working together to a common aim.

I heard about the council. Although I didn't know about a previous one, I'd like to see one come together.

  • 11.02.2007 4:39 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

The only thing that I can say I miss from the so called "good ol' days" was the level of developer/community interaction on the forums. Sure, we have Luke who posts every so often, but it kinda sucks to see that guys like Ferrex and Frankie post more on NeoGAF than here. Of course, given the general populace here, it's not surprising, but it's still a bit of a downer.

I know the devs are busy making games and DLC, but I'd still like to see them post more.

  • 11.02.2007 4:43 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Posted by: elmicker
Christ, the council suggestion was a joke :P. It's dead, jim.


Awful. Just awful. Suggesting the council and then saying you were joking? The council IS something that would help this community out. If you can't see that you're blind.

I was willing to be part of the council, but after I RSVPed after being invited into it, there wasn't any follow-up. Not entirely my fault, as no one answered me telling me that I was actually in, so I didn't participate. Bringing it back, and giving it to commited members, would be a good thing.

  • 11.02.2007 5:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Nedus
The only thing that I can say I miss from the so called "good ol' days" was the level of developer/community interaction on the forums. Sure, we have Luke who posts every so often, but it kinda sucks to see that guys like Ferrex and Frankie post more on NeoGAF than here. Of course, given the general populace here, it's not surprising, but it's still a bit of a downer.

I know the devs are busy making games and DLC, but I'd still like to see them post more.


I totally agree with this.

Many of you probably know me as a large complainer about this forum, but I really only want this community to be interactive and CONSTRUCTIVE. It has been so long since the community ever seemed to be a whole. Before Halo 2, the members, mods, and even devs interacted in a great way, and they all seemed to be a great community. But a as the inflow of members began with Halo 2's announcement, and utterly Halo 2's release, not only was that community diluted, but the entire foundation was eroded to nothing. Everyone basically broke ties and alienated themselves from the newer members. The devs hardly ever post here, and the senior members take refuge in groups that are fairly hidden from the rest of the community. All we have left as a result is new members setting a poor example for the members after them, creating a forum filled with flamers, spammers, and amateur forum goers.

People spam without even knowing it here, thats the worst part here.

This community would definitely benefit from a large outflow of members.

PS: Many people should realize that telling him to do something about it is easy to say, not do. I have suggested things, and even offered to be the sole person to see them through, and have made no progress in those areas. Even if you wanted to do it, most of the time those things end up fading out of existence.

  • 11.02.2007 5:56 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Posted by: Hobo GRrunt
I'm sure that my post won't be read because I only joined two years ago, or because it's not long enough, or because I'm not friends with any of you or not known enough, but I'll give it a shot.

You're right. It hasn't changed. People are still being friends, people are still having fun, people are still creating threads that criticize the forums and community, people are still hiding in groups, new people are still coming in, etc., and I don't really see a problem with it. If you think the community needs more caption contests, go right ahead and make something. If you think the community needs variety, be different. If you think creating this thread helps anything, go back to your groups. As to the people who think there needs to be a figurehead or dictator or whatever, worship someone and have them make your decisions.

There are a lot more posts in the wrong forum, but I'm sure you're mystical time of old had some of that too, although there is a noticeable lack of moderator support.

I'm sure that in a few years or so, the people who are arguing against the OP will be in his position, saying how much the community sucks because it's not how he likes it. And there will be a bunch of people arguing against him, then they will be saying the community sucks, etc.. I know that if this thread was posted a year ago, my post would be extremely different.


What the hell is this? Hobo GRunt, don't think your post won't be read by those who don't know you. If they don't read it, then they have no right to participate in your thread. No worries, man. If it's clear that someone didn't read your post, then chew them out for it.

Another thing wrong with Bungie.net: So many of you care about your time at b.net. To hell with you all! I don't walk around flaunting my Member Since date as though it's some badge that commands immediate respect from newer users. And to be frank and truthful, my older friends on this site don't either. Whenever someone states their join date, take it as a fact to understand: They've known the site for that amount of time. It gives them an amount of wisdom related to that time period. I've seen plenty who will mistake those statements for arrogance, thinking that the user only posted their member since date out of contempt for those who are younger.

Piss off to you members who are frustrated with the veterans of this site! Take our veteranship as a sign of our knowledge of how this site is! I think one thing to note is this: Not even the moderators of this site are happy with the way the community is. And most of those moderators are actually veterans as well.

Oh, and you want a way to make this site better? Don't segregate yourselves to specific forums. Just because you frequent the Septagon does not make you a good contributor to the community. It's just the same as leaving the public forums for the solace of private groups. Threads like "Why I hate the Halo 3 Forum" shouldn't even be posted. You want it to be better? Then the more well-mannered people of this site (who usually are the people who are frequent participants of the Septagon) should post there and be EXAMPLES for the children there!

This site (I talk of the BLUE Bungie.net) was great when it first came out back in '04, because it was structured, more people started joining, and those who joined and those who were already there practiced forum diversity. Then with Halo 2, many were pushed back because of new members who generally treated most people like crap. Some stopped going to certain forums because of the mass spam, flames, et cetera, and came back to the Septagon. Some, like myself, were pushed back from there even more because we were treated as elitists, and we're not. Is it anyone's fault the community is the way it is? No. But rather than whining about the forum with the most spammers, why don't you PM a few spammers, tell them why their ways are wrong, and then GO THERE and try to make a presence in order to fix things.

Perhaps that's what the next Septagon Council should try to do, in addition to spotlights, community events, et cetera. If you don't have the patience to deal with it all, then don't whine.

As I said before, I AM willing. Don't take me for a hypocrite.

  • 11.02.2007 6:08 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

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Posted by: evilcam
Usually when there is a topic this big in this forum, something awesome has happened. I'm floored by the community spirit, and I suddenly love everyone. The hours spent moderating seem like they were worth it, and everyone is happy for about 3 days. This thread however...


I'm not mad at Shai for what he wrote. He hasn't been here in a while and probably thought he was stating something revolutionary or groundbreaking. When in reality, it's been said 100 times over. Every group since the beginning of mankind has divided itself up into factions, groups, clans, nations, religions, cliques, cities, you name it and we've found a way to seperate ourselves from those we deem different. It's also human nature to dwell on the negative. We do it with our news, our politics, and with each other.

What I don't understand is the nostalgia factor. Why does everyone think that everything was super groovy back to *insert your super groovy start date here*. When in reality, our rose colored glasses were only on way back then because it was our first exposure to B.net, where we met new friends, discussed cool things and immersed ourselves in the culture of this community. That's why we look back fondly and wax poetic about the good ol' days.

It's also human nature for people to move on with their lives or start to resent the very thing they used to love. I definitely get that vibe from some of the older members and mods. My point? The site hasn't changed that much at all, you have.


Please. Just stop. You're not getting the point. I'm adressing the community in my thread. You're so stuck up that you can't get passed the membership dates. To be quite honest, we thought it was "super groovy" because that's exactly what it was. There are a lot of things lacking in the community today. It's segregated, and lacking administration input, from both Bungie and the Mods (which really is due to the general rudeness of this community today). Maybe you don't see it, and that's fine. Perhaps that really is a consequence of you not having been here longer than others. If you think the community is fine the way it is, then I won't whack you for that. But even if you DO think it's ok... don't you think it could be better?

  • 11.02.2007 6:17 PM PDT
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Sure, it could be better but how? You can't change people, therefore the site won't change.

I have my own little "Perfect view" on how the forums should be and how people should act on here, but ultimately it's up to the person behind the monitor to decide how/who he is gonna act/be.

Personally even though I haven't been here as long as you guys, I get the impression that the site hasn't changed- there's only more people to perpetuate what we already see the forums as.

Of coures, I'm sure it was different back in '03 and '04, but there was barely as many people back then as there are now.

  • 11.02.2007 6:21 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

That's true. The influx of people resulted in quite a lot of change, but from my viewpoint, the change was negative.

But people are influenced by others on the site. I've seen plenty of times where a person who just generally flames will change to a better user if addressed in the right way. Sometimes it takes kindness, other times it takes moderator force. If someone like that doesn't change, then they get perma-banned and then poof. They're gone. There'll be more, but the cycle should just continue.

I think this place really does need a council. Some of the ideals of the old council were unrealistic and not well-communicated, but honestly, it won't take much for it to be done right. A group of mods and forum-mediators can do a lot for the community if they communicate with each other. Even though those people may change, all they need to do is make the right impression and pass on their "duties" to another user who conducts himself well enough to take up the task when he/she has to leave for extended periods of time, or permantly, or just won't be active enough to make an effect.

  • 11.02.2007 6:28 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

I know you were probably addressing Atomic Weggie, but I hope you don't mind to terribly much if I chime in a little.

Posted by: Shai Hulud
To be quite honest, we thought it was "super groovy" because that's exactly what it was.


Not to be rude, but who's "we"? Surely you can't mean the vast majority of Bungie.net, as I'm fairly certain you, or anyone for that matter, has enough evidence to support that opinion one way or another.

...and lacking administration input, from both Bungie and the Mods (which really is due to the general rudeness of this community today)

First, you shouldn't state an opinion as unanimous fact, as it apears you may be trying to do.

But to the point, do you not think that the sheer number of unique accounts now (We're up to 1,000,000) has anything to do with this observation? Surely you can agree that there simply isn't enough time to address the individual concerns of most people, so it's best to just pay attention to those of greatest need.

Also, the administration has many things to do outside of the forum. Achronos has growing website and network issues to address (the sheer volume of information pulled from Halo 3 and stored on the servers most certainly has a higher priority than carrying on friendly chatter with forumgoers, no?) and real life circumstances to work through. Many of the moderators are in school at the moment, and, if I'm not mistaken, are in the middle of or just getting finished with finals.

don't you think it could be better?

Well of course things could be better. We've been advocating change in the community in a much more upbeat tempo for some time now. In summary, ever since Halo 3 launched, discussion such as this thred has increased ten-fold. Unfortuantely, you just happened to have been caught right after the crest of the metophorical wave of this issue, right as things are starting to cascade down and enter another trough. But so goes life, neh?


I would appreciate your response to any, or all, of these things I've pointed out.

  • 11.02.2007 6:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shai Hulud
That's true. The influx of people resulted in quite a lot of change, but from my viewpoint, the change was negative.

But people are influenced by others on the site. I've seen plenty of times where a person who just generally flames will change to a better user if addressed in the right way. Sometimes it takes kindness, other times it takes moderator force. If someone like that doesn't change, then they get perma-banned and then poof. They're gone. There'll be more, but the cycle should just continue.

I think this place really does need a council. Some of the ideals of the old council were unrealistic and not well-communicated, but honestly, it won't take much for it to be done right. A group of mods and forum-mediators can do a lot for the community if they communicate with each other. Even though those people may change, all they need to do is make the right impression and pass on their "duties" to another user who conducts himself well enough to take up the task when he/she has to leave for extended periods of time, or permantly, or just won't be active enough to make an effect.


I'm feelin' ya.

But would a council actually do something? Well, actually it would, but is there a way to ensure it doesn't fizzle up after a month? And we also have the issue that some moderators simply aren't getting on as often. Fair enough, I'm not critizing them when I say that- I too find my own time for frequenting the forums to be limited, but I hope that if something like this were to come about we'd have moderators who could take the time to do it, as well as some active community members.

  • 11.02.2007 6:55 PM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
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--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: Shai Hulud
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Oh, and you want a way to make this site better? Don't segregate yourselves to specific forums. Just because you frequent the Septagon does not make you a good contributor to the community. It's just the same as leaving the public forums for the solace of private groups. Threads like "Why I hate the Halo 3 Forum" shouldn't even be posted. You want it to be better? Then the more well-mannered people of this site (who usually are the people who are frequent participants of the Septagon) should post there and be EXAMPLES for the children there!

[snip] Then with Halo 2, many were pushed back because of new members who generally treated most people like crap. Some stopped going to certain forums because of the mass spam, flames, et cetera, and came back to the Septagon. Some, like myself, were pushed back from there even more because we were treated as elitists, and we're not. Is it anyone's fault the community is the way it is? No. But rather than whining about the forum with the most spammers, why don't you PM a few spammers, tell them why their ways are wrong, and then GO THERE and try to make a presence in order to fix things.

Perhaps that's what the next Septagon Council should try to do, in addition to spotlights, community events, et cetera. If you don't have the patience to deal with it all, then don't whine.

As I said before, I AM willing. Don't take me for a hypocrite.



Holy hell, 7 pages later and you finally gave some constructive points that are plausible. If you would have put these above parts in your original post, I probably wouldn't have had a problem with it. My issue was that you were being critical and yet you seemed that you didn't care to try to fix the problem and you certainly didn't suggest anything to correct the problems. However, it seems weird that you say people should help the spammers/flamers by PM'ing them but you said you don't go into the forums anymore. There are plenty of people that are still part of the public forums that do exactly that. We try to lead by example. We try to help out new members and point people in the right direction. I can think of dozens of people that spend plenty of time in the public forums trying to fight back the flood of ignorance.

The 7th Column Community has never been an utopia. It hasn't changed much in years. How do I know? Well, I did a little history on myself and found this: CLICKY. I made this thread almost 2 whole years ago. Now you'll see that my attitude back then was different than how this thread was started. I didn't make grand accusations, I gave my perception. And then I asked for suggestions because I didn't have any. This thread seemed like an accusation, and at least to me it was offensive.

~B.B.

  • 11.02.2007 7:01 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

In relation to the council idea.

I do whole-heartedly attest that the number one cause for the majority of the poor-quality posting on these forums spawns from the lack of education at the beginning of member's service here. There are no "examples" posted, and new members see the "funny" insults that are posted and they just want to join in the fun, too. However, this snowballs as new members join and current members try to out do each other.

We need some form of active education that stands out to all members; however, I don't think a council is the most appropriate course of action. As ICEMAN somewhat aluded to, it could simply fizzle out, and they may not have any real abilities at all.

Instead, as I've mentioned in the past within other threads, Bungie.net needs selected members, members that represent on a dialy basis the kind of behavior that is acceptable and wanted. If these people stand out over the aforementioned "funny insults" (be it via colored text, colored title, etc), then member, both new and old, will have something much more wholesome to work towards.

Very few people are willing to give up their personally-rewarding ways of spamming, and pick up the seldomely-rewarding methods of deep, meaningful discussion, especially since the latter has no acknowledged benifits. There needs to be some chance, despite limited possibility, to advance in the community in some fasion or another.

  • 11.02.2007 7:07 PM PDT
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Good post Prometheus

  • 11.02.2007 7:18 PM PDT