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Subject: Interesting Lack of Change.

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

I am waiting for a chance to do something significant in this community. I have tried groups, tried threads, tried alot of things, but nothing ever happens. If the committee did happen again, I would love to be one of those people. I am not gonna lie, I don't want to do a reverse psychology suck up and say I would never ask to be a mod, or a committee member. I honestly would, because if being in that position gives me the ability to do something that could really benefit this community, I would take it and perform my duties to the fullest.

[Edited on 11.02.2007 7:37 PM PDT]

  • 11.02.2007 7:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: prometheus25
Very few people are willing to give up their personally-rewarding ways of spamming, and pick up the seldomely-rewarding methods of deep, meaningful discussion, especially since the latter has no acknowledged benifits.

Or willing to give up their personal life. You guys make it seem like to be a part of the community that you have to sign your soul over.

  • 11.02.2007 7:57 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

It's not that people aren't willing to have a "deep meaningful discussion", it's just that most of the time when people make a thread that's actually meaningful, a bunch of -blam!-s always go in there and say something like OMG WHO CAREZ UR ALL GHEY N00BZ, which usually kills it before anyone with half a brain sees it.

Anyone who tries to imply that we have changed ("we" meaning older members), is full of it. There's no denying the influx of morons on this site after the Halo 2 announcement. That's mainly what repulsed me from this place. Trying to turn that around to make it seem as though we turned into a bunch of intolerant jerks is stupid and ignorant. I may be a jerk, but the people who know me will know that I don't discriminate based on crap like join dates, and when I say that, I think I speak for a lot of other members who have left this site. It's not us. It's the people posting -blam!-, the people derailing topics for no reason, the people asking for relatonship advice, the suckups, the posers, etc.

  • 11.02.2007 8:52 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Good post Prometheus


Have you nothing to say for yourself? Kinda a waste-of-space post there ;-)



[Edited on 11.02.2007 9:20 PM PDT]

  • 11.02.2007 9:18 PM PDT

Posted by: Shai Hulud
Posted by: atomic weggie
Posted by: evilcam
Usually when there is a topic this big in this forum, something awesome has happened. I'm floored by the community spirit, and I suddenly love everyone. The hours spent moderating seem like they were worth it, and everyone is happy for about 3 days. This thread however...


I'm not mad at Shai for what he wrote. He hasn't been here in a while and probably thought he was stating something revolutionary or groundbreaking. When in reality, it's been said 100 times over. Every group since the beginning of mankind has divided itself up into factions, groups, clans, nations, religions, cliques, cities, you name it and we've found a way to seperate ourselves from those we deem different. It's also human nature to dwell on the negative. We do it with our news, our politics, and with each other.

What I don't understand is the nostalgia factor. Why does everyone think that everything was super groovy back to *insert your super groovy start date here*. When in reality, our rose colored glasses were only on way back then because it was our first exposure to B.net, where we met new friends, discussed cool things and immersed ourselves in the culture of this community. That's why we look back fondly and wax poetic about the good ol' days.

It's also human nature for people to move on with their lives or start to resent the very thing they used to love. I definitely get that vibe from some of the older members and mods. My point? The site hasn't changed that much at all, you have.


Please. Just stop. You're not getting the point. I'm adressing the community in my thread. You're so stuck up that you can't get passed the membership dates. To be quite honest, we thought it was "super groovy" because that's exactly what it was. There are a lot of things lacking in the community today. It's segregated, and lacking administration input, from both Bungie and the Mods (which really is due to the general rudeness of this community today). Maybe you don't see it, and that's fine. Perhaps that really is a consequence of you not having been here longer than others. If you think the community is fine the way it is, then I won't whack you for that. But even if you DO think it's ok... don't you think it could be better?


This paragraph just re-affirms that you don't really read my posts Shai. I've never once mentioned anyone's membership date. In fact, I applauded bananagirl for backing up the newer members and laying to rest the fact that your join date has no consequence to whether your opinions or ideas have validity. It's you that seems to think only the older members have important things to say, i.e.


Piss off to you members who are frustrated with the veterans of this site! Take our veteranship as a sign of our knowledge of how this site is! I think one thing to note is this: Not even the moderators of this site are happy with the way the community is. And most of those moderators are actually veterans as well.


Which is ironic seeing as you point out how B.net is now segregated and rude. I'm an idea man, your veteranship means nothing to me. Give us something tangible to enact the change you think is necessary and if we think it's a good idea, we'll support you......old members, new members, all members.

So far this thread has done more harm than good. Besides people suggestioning to bring back the council, I haven't seen one concrete idea to enact change. Just page after page of pontification and sniping.

  • 11.02.2007 10:03 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: Shai Hulud
Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Good post Prometheus


Have you nothing to say for yourself? Kinda a waste-of-space post there ;-)



Are things like this common in the Jumpers? Yeah, I know we're not supposed to be comparing the two anymore, but it seems that some people are beliberately trying to attack each other here.

Let's be cooperative, not competitive.

Towards Josher:
Personally, I wasn't suggesting that they'd have to "sell their soul", or anything drastica like that. Let's see if I can communicate my point better:

A person will, in almost every case, do what will reward them. People work so they get paid, Christians help the poor so they will get into Heaven, etc., etc. For the same justification, people spam because they, and a few others, find it fun. The feeling of domineering over someone else is their reward for their work here.

Now, if, for some reason, every member started being more proactive just for the Hell of it, there'd be virtually no reward. Most all would come to terms with the fact that they could never stand a chance at becoming a moderator, going back to attacking and insulting each other would be out, so their only option is to just quit. They lose interest and, with varying speed, shy away from the forums.

This is why we need something tangible that members can work towards. Being a "Representative" (Those special people who are examples of the kind of behavior that Bungie.net endorses) of Bungie.net would be an option, as well as a Forum Medals idea that I had pitched several weeks ago.

In this way, people are rewarded for quality over quantity, and individuals aren't forced to sign on as often as possible to receive that same reward that others do.

  • 11.03.2007 6:59 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

You make the assumption that all people who post here do so in the hopes of becoming a mod.

  • 11.03.2007 7:27 AM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: Nedus
You make the assumption that all people who post here do so in the hopes of becoming a mod.


No I don't.

What I was trying to say was that, if everyone became an ideal member (no flamming, etc.) under our current hierarchal structure, there would be nothing to keep the members from staying that way.

Would you exercise if there was no chance of getting in shape? Would someone work a job they didn't like if they weren't being paid fairly or at all?

I was trying to do my best to explain why, in Bungie.net's current state, most members aren't willing to just cast down their metaphorical arms, join our metaphorical circle around our metaphorical fire, and start singing a metaphorical rendition of Kumbayah. There is just so little a reward, if any at all, for most people to even consider it.

  • 11.03.2007 7:39 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

I see what you mean, but I personally don't think it's necessary. If people actually need to be encouraged with meaningless titles to simply discuss topics on a forum without berating each other, do you really want those people posting in the first place?

  • 11.03.2007 7:42 AM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: Nedus
I see what you mean, but I personally don't think it's necessary. If people actually need to be encouraged with meaningless titles to simply discuss topics on a forum without berating each other, do you really want those people posting in the first place?


I can't comment on that. It's not my place to say who is, or who isn't, allowed to participate.

I myself started out on these forums as the very people who make up the center of our discussions: the griefers. By admitting it, I learn from my mistakes. I like to think that I am active proof that, despite their original lack of constructiveness, they can become just as helpful and contributing as anyone else.

I believe that everyone's voice has the same potential. Your's no more than mine, mine no more than your's, or anybody else's. Who am I, someone who attacked others in the past and was even banned for it, to say that they aren't allowed to discuss anything in the threads I participate in because I don't like their current state of being. Sure, I don't like their attitude, but as part of the community, I am partially responsible for them, along with each and every other member here. Live together, die together.

  • 11.03.2007 7:49 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

I suppose. I'm not trying to say that anyone should be deprived of any priveliges without a good reason. What I am saying is, I wouldn't worry too much about those people, since they probably wouldn't contribute much anyway. I know, I'm a cynic.

You're absolutely right; people can change, but I dont see it happening very much. I'd love to see it happen, but if it doesn't, that's fine. As much as I can't stand some people here, I'm still here. I have friends here; that's good enough for me.

  • 11.03.2007 8:03 AM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: Nedus
...people can change, but I dont see it happening very much.


You're right in that regard, but this is the topic that we, as a community, should be discussing. We have several important questions to ask ourselves.

Are we right in wanting to change the actions of other people?
What sort of mehtods are most effective? Least effective?
What are the risks? What are the rewards?
How will we justify our plan? Surely there are some that absolutely don't want any part in it.
How can we make sure that we learn from our mistakes, and make sure this doesn't happen again?


Those should all be very valid questions. Feel free to ask yourself them, I'm interested in anyone's response.

[Edited on 11.03.2007 8:17 AM PDT]

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2.) Rather than jocks, well, we have those who troll, flame, -blam!- about lack of required skill in Halo 3 matchmaking (AKA Halo 1 Pistol Jockeys). I don't have much to say about these people, but their ego tends to get in the way of reason. Like Brutes, "they must love the smell of testosterone."


I think you need a chill pill mate and maybe something else to occupy your time. Sounds like a bit of time away didn't really help like it should have. For this is just a forum and you are just another member simply denoted by a random gathering of letter/numbers that logs on for varying reasons. I myself haven't logged on for probably 6 months and probably won't for another. For you have reminded me of what it is I hate so much about this place myself. The jerks that pigeon hole people like myself in to a class like I have quoted. Not respectful to those that may have anything to say at all. Whether it be good or bad. Good day lost soul.

  • 11.03.2007 9:08 AM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: PubIic Enemy
I'm sorry but I have to disagree entirely. I dont think that half of the posts made by people on this site are made by people hoping to moderate. The fact is people come here(the vast majority) to discuss the halo series. optimatch, h3 forum, h2 forum, etc. the septagon may be different, but most members arent here for anything like that. People in the septagon are harder to tell, this is because very few people state their intentions. You talk about visable rewards and why people would do things, but if you ask a large number of people who have been here, why they are still here, it isnt because they want to be mods, its because they enjoy the site. Enjoyment is its own reward and I'm sure that is why a lot of the people who have been here longer than me are still here, because they enjoy it.


My scenario was a "What will keep them coming back", not a "What keeps them coming back now." thing.

Everyone has their own motivations for coming here, but I believe many of themconflict, whether people realise it or not. Not everyone can be that revolutionary martyr here. Not everyone can be a moderator. With that reasoning, I propose that we need something that everyone can become. Some sort of status that each person has an equal and realistic chance of obtaining, and losing.

  • 11.03.2007 9:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cockburnicus
You missed the point like Vader missed the banshee, your whole argument is covered in bees.
Stop sending me group invites -blam!-s!

Personally I think it to be very naive of you Shai to expect this community to remain the same since you were here; communities change all the time. What would be an appropriate phrase? Sack it up? Get with the times?

  • 11.03.2007 9:36 AM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Posted by: Shai Hulud
[snip]
Oh, and you want a way to make this site better? Don't segregate yourselves to specific forums. Just because you frequent the Septagon does not make you a good contributor to the community. It's just the same as leaving the public forums for the solace of private groups. Threads like "Why I hate the Halo 3 Forum" shouldn't even be posted. You want it to be better? Then the more well-mannered people of this site (who usually are the people who are frequent participants of the Septagon) should post there and be EXAMPLES for the children there!

[snip] Then with Halo 2, many were pushed back because of new members who generally treated most people like crap. Some stopped going to certain forums because of the mass spam, flames, et cetera, and came back to the Septagon. Some, like myself, were pushed back from there even more because we were treated as elitists, and we're not. Is it anyone's fault the community is the way it is? No. But rather than whining about the forum with the most spammers, why don't you PM a few spammers, tell them why their ways are wrong, and then GO THERE and try to make a presence in order to fix things.

Perhaps that's what the next Septagon Council should try to do, in addition to spotlights, community events, et cetera. If you don't have the patience to deal with it all, then don't whine.

As I said before, I AM willing. Don't take me for a hypocrite.



Holy hell, 7 pages later and you finally gave some constructive points that are plausible. If you would have put these above parts in your original post, I probably wouldn't have had a problem with it. My issue was that you were being critical and yet you seemed that you didn't care to try to fix the problem and you certainly didn't suggest anything to correct the problems. However, it seems weird that you say people should help the spammers/flamers by PM'ing them but you said you don't go into the forums anymore. There are plenty of people that are still part of the public forums that do exactly that. We try to lead by example. We try to help out new members and point people in the right direction. I can think of dozens of people that spend plenty of time in the public forums trying to fight back the flood of ignorance.

The 7th Column Community has never been an utopia. It hasn't changed much in years. How do I know? Well, I did a little history on myself and found this: CLICKY. I made this thread almost 2 whole years ago. Now you'll see that my attitude back then was different than how this thread was started. I didn't make grand accusations, I gave my perception. And then I asked for suggestions because I didn't have any. This thread seemed like an accusation, and at least to me it was offensive.

~B.B.


As a quick response (I'll respond later), I'll just say that my purpose in constructing my thread the way I did was to challenge the members of the Septagon. I want the community to know exactly how I think before I let them know how to make it better. I'm not going to sugar-cote my words by giving suggestions out-right. Having it this way, it lets me see how the community responds to such criticism. Honestly, I'm a bit disappointed. There were those of you that did tell me to give suggestions, but those same people chose to bring up veteranship, and the Jumpers. That's the sort of crap that I was looking for by making the challenge. To see what the community thinks of those that think poorly of it.

  • 11.03.2007 10:30 AM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: Shai Hulud
To see what the community thinks of those that think poorly of it.


That's risky, though. We have no knowledge of your intentions from the git-go, so the fact that you wre looking to see how people would negatively respond to your thread means that you were trolling.

Now, I'm not saying you are a troll, I know you're not and I can see you don't do it as a way of foruming, but deliberately trying to bring out argument is, by definition, trolling.

Just be careful. While you don't have the same reasoning, someone may, in the future, misunderstand this.

[Edited on 11.03.2007 10:56 AM PDT]

  • 11.03.2007 10:46 AM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Posted by: muffin man one
Personally I think it to be very naive of you Shai to expect this community to remain the same since you were here; communities change all the time. What would be an appropriate phrase? Sack it up? Get with the times?


I'm not naive in that respect. I knew it would change: the coming change was an obvious thing. Try not to judge my personal character through words I write. The inherrent ignorance forced unto you by the internet will make you fall short on that every time. Judge what I'm saying, not me.

Don't take that as an insult. It's not you're fault that you are ignorant of my true character. A thing to remember is that, most of the time, none of us will ever know one another's personal character. Judgements will occur, I understand, due to human nature. How can we? What we can be judged on is mostly skin-deep; the words which we write. How we compose ourselves.

Perhaps that's a point we should try to make with the new "Council." Don't judge someone's personality so much on what they write, since no one knows enough to be very accurate. Members construct a psuedo-personality on this site, but much is left out by the nature of an internet forum.

I'll post my ideas on a new council, differently named as to not confuse it with its predecessor, later this week.

  • 11.03.2007 10:48 AM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: Shai Hulud
To see what the community thinks of those that think poorly of it.


That's risky, though. We have know knowledge of your intentions from the git-go, so the fact that you wre looking to see how people would negatively respond to your thread means that you were trolling.

Now, I'm not saying you are a troll, I know you're not and I can see you don't do it as a way of foruming, but deliberately trying to bring out argument is, by definition, trolling.

Just be careful. While you don't have the same reasoning, someone may, in the future, misunderstand this.


As I am ever-changing, my judgements need to be flexible. I need to be able to adapt to things that I've missed in the past, if they are to become present abruptly. I still hold to the judgements I made in my original post, and I won't cower from them. However, due to my lack of an interactive presence here in the past months (remember, I have been watching, not interacting), I needed to coax that which I may have missed into coming out. I challenged some to flame, and some basically did. However, what I didn't know would happen, was the angst held towards the Jumpers and the Veterans. Seeing that tells me something else about at least SOME members of this community; they are petty, and unforgiving (not naming names). My negative tone at the start of this thread brought that out, as well as the lack of advice to make things better. And I'm glad I was able to see that. It's like being able to see the core of a rotten apple before taking a bit. After all, rot at the core of an apple spreads outward.

Now, I want to let it be known that if anyone wants to continue the discussion about my (as well as others in this thread) veteranship, and the Jumpers, then send me a PM, or discuss it somewhere else. If it's going to be continually brought up, I'll get this thread locked. That sort of discussion has no place here, and I'm not willing to deal with petty arguments regarding the negative views SOME of you have towards older members and Jumpers here.

  • 11.03.2007 10:56 AM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: Shai Hulud
As I am ever-changing, my judgements need to be flexible. I need to be able to adapt to things that I've missed in the past, if they are to become present abruptly. I still hold to the judgements I made in my original post, and I won't cower from them. However, due to my lack of an interactive presence here in the past months (remember, I have been watching, not interacting), I needed to coax that which I may have missed into coming out. I challenged some to flame, and some basically did. However, what I didn't know would happen, was the angst held towards the Jumpers and the Veterans. Seeing that tells me something else about at least SOME members of this community; they are petty, and unforgiving (not naming names). My negative tone at the start of this thread brought that out, as well as the lack of advice to make things better. And I'm glad I was able to see that. It's like being able to see the core of a rotten apple before taking a bit. After all, rot at the core of an apple spreads outward.

Now, I want to let it be known that if anyone wants to continue the discussion about my (as well as others in this thread) veteranship, and the Jumpers, then send me a PM, or discuss it somewhere else. If it's going to be continually brought up, I'll get this thread locked. That sort of discussion has no place here, and I'm not willing to deal with petty arguments regarding the negative views SOME of you have towards older members and Jumpers here.


Oh, get off your high horse. How many times do we have to tell you that you aren't revolutionary. This thread is far too similar to the dozen others that have been here in the past month, whether you agree or not.

[Edited on 11.03.2007 11:54 AM PDT]

  • 11.03.2007 11:46 AM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: Shai Hulud
As I am ever-changing, my judgements need to be flexible. I need to be able to adapt to things that I've missed in the past, if they are to become present abruptly. I still hold to the judgements I made in my original post, and I won't cower from them. However, due to my lack of an interactive presence here in the past months (remember, I have been watching, not interacting), I needed to coax that which I may have missed into coming out. I challenged some to flame, and some basically did. However, what I didn't know would happen, was the angst held towards the Jumpers and the Veterans. Seeing that tells me something else about at least SOME members of this community; they are petty, and unforgiving (not naming names). My negative tone at the start of this thread brought that out, as well as the lack of advice to make things better. And I'm glad I was able to see that. It's like being able to see the core of a rotten apple before taking a bit. After all, rot at the core of an apple spreads outward.

Now, I want to let it be known that if anyone wants to continue the discussion about my (as well as others in this thread) veteranship, and the Jumpers, then send me a PM, or discuss it somewhere else. If it's going to be continually brought up, I'll get this thread locked. That sort of discussion has no place here, and I'm not willing to deal with petty arguments regarding the negative views SOME of you have towards older members and Jumpers here.


Oh, get off your high horse. How many times do we have to tell you that you aren't revolutionary. This thread is far too similar to the dozen others that have been here in the past month, whether you agree or not.


And this is what I wanted to see. Those of you who come across as calm and collected, responding constructively to posts. Then when met with a challenge, you get frustrated. You have no patience! You can tell me I'm not revolutionary all you want. I know I'm not. If you want to be redundant and state it over and over again, go ahead. I'll cease to listen after a while.

Don't be so quick to accuse me of arrogance. Let go of your ego and come back to me when you want to talk.

  • 11.03.2007 12:05 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: Shai Hulud
And this is what I wanted to see. Those of you who come across as calm and collected, responding constructively to posts. Then when met with a challenge, you get frustrated. You have no patience! You can tell me I'm not revolutionary all you want. I know I'm not. If you want to be redundant and state it over and over again, go ahead. I'll cease to listen after a while.

Don't be so quick to accuse me of arrogance. Let go of your ego and come back to me when you want to talk.


Don't be so quick to accuse me of arrogance
Let go of your ego and come back to me when you want to talk.
Don't be so quick to accuse me of arrogance
Let go of your ego and come back to me when you want to talk.
Don't be so quick to accuse me of arrogance
Let go of your ego and come back to me when you want to talk.
Don't be so quick to accuse me of arrogance
Let go of your ego and come back to me when you want to talk.
Don't be so quick to accuse me of arrogance
Let go of your ego and come back to me when you want to talk.
Don't be so quick to accuse me of arrogance
Let go of your ego and come back to me when you want to talk.
Don't be so quick to accuse me of arrogance
Let go of your ego and come back to me when you want to talk.
Don't be so quick to accuse me of arrogance
Let go of your ego and come back to me when you want to talk.
Don't be so quick to accuse me of arrogance
Let go of your ego and come back to me when you want to talk.

Read that. All of it.

Would you kindly rephrase the last line of your post, please?

  • 11.03.2007 12:13 PM PDT
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Oh knock it off you two. This is nothing but a yes-and-no-bickering.

  • 11.03.2007 12:26 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

Posted by: just another fan
Oh knock it off you two. This is nothing but a yes-and-no-bickering.

It is getting a bit redundant...

Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: PubIic Enemy
I'm sorry but I have to disagree entirely. I dont think that half of the posts made by people on this site are made by people hoping to moderate. The fact is people come here(the vast majority) to discuss the halo series. optimatch, h3 forum, h2 forum, etc. the septagon may be different, but most members arent here for anything like that. People in the septagon are harder to tell, this is because very few people state their intentions. You talk about visable rewards and why people would do things, but if you ask a large number of people who have been here, why they are still here, it isnt because they want to be mods, its because they enjoy the site. Enjoyment is its own reward and I'm sure that is why a lot of the people who have been here longer than me are still here, because they enjoy it.


My scenario was a "What will keep them coming back", not a "What keeps them coming back now." thing.

Everyone has their own motivations for coming here, but I believe many of themconflict, whether people realise it or not. Not everyone can be that revolutionary martyr here. Not everyone can be a moderator. With that reasoning, I propose that we need something that everyone can become. Some sort of status that each person has an equal and realistic chance of obtaining, and losing.


Exactly. This forum lacks a reward for membership other than the ability to post. With post counts you get accomplishment (people may abuse it, but who gives a damn if someone thinks it matters when it doesn't), with ranks you get accomplishment (again, who gives a damn what they mean, all it is is a name on a forum). These things weren't put down in forums for elitism, but to give your members reason to come back, motivate them to be a better member through rewarding them with a fictional and meaningless higher rank/post count.

  • 11.03.2007 12:32 PM PDT