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I wouldn't suggest anyone really, most people are just clique following elitist dumbasses.

  • 10.30.2007 9:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: just another fan
Posted by: baccardinals
Then to that point have you discussed this with Achronos?

We have HFCS for a reason.


Then why so far as there been little to no action about Mods on bungie? Its been a month since Halo 3 release and the decrease of mods activity before halo 3's announcment

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Posted by: baccardinals
Then why so far as there been little to no action about Mods on bungie? Its been a month since Halo 3 release and the decrease of mods activity before halo 3's announcment

First of all; Achronos is working on new tools for us. Tools that should make our job lighter.
And second: who are going to be the new moderators?

  • 10.30.2007 9:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: Flavor Flav
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I wouldn't suggest anyone really, most people are just clique following elitist dumbasses.


Which is why I openly dislike parts of the flood. It is the most glaring example of cliquey elitist dumbasses to be seen on this site. This is probably why pezza has been giving them a good spanking as of late. But, the situation in the flood will improve if he keeps it up, because the heads of cliques and cliquey members are getting banned(see ToP Chester, Gamerz_Property, ID Phoenix, smoothie, myemericanheart, etc.)

What? Only one of those kids are a clique leader. The others are just random posters that are just followers.

This isn't just about the Flood at all. It's actually everywhere.

  • 10.30.2007 9:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: Flavor Flav
Posted by: just another fan
[quote]And second: who are going to be the new moderators?

Here is the problem. Very few people on this site are considered trustworthy or have the knowledge to be a good moderator. The last thing this site needs is another toast.

To turn a phrase, 'One outta two ain't bad'.

:)

I'd do it. God knows I'm not doing anything else with my life. :)

  • 10.30.2007 9:24 AM PDT

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Then why so far as there been little to no action about Mods on bungie? Its been a month since Halo 3 release and the decrease of mods activity before halo 3's announcment

First of all; Achronos is working on new tools for us. Tools that should make our job lighter.
And second: who are going to be the new moderators?


Well how did you become a Mod? There has to be some system that you guy use to choose a Mod.

  • 10.30.2007 9:26 AM PDT

but there's no sense crying over every mistake
you just keep on trying until you run out of cake

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Posted by: baccardinals
Then why so far as there been little to no action about Mods on bungie? Its been a month since Halo 3 release and the decrease of mods activity before halo 3's announcment

First of all; Achronos is working on new tools for us. Tools that should make our job lighter.
I was hoping

And second: who are going to be the new moderators?

Here is the problem. Very few people on this site are considered trustworthy or have the knowledge to be a good moderator. The last thing this site needs is another toast.


Exactly. I agree whole-heartedly. It's so hard to find a person with the level of patience required for the job, and someone who is willing and able to invest the time and effort for this unpaid, mostly thankless job. I don't know how they do it, that recon thing was even getting MY fingers itchy for a banhammer/lock option. But how to cull an appropriate person to the job is a rough one. Thank you to all the mods here, by the way, keep up the good fight.

  • 10.30.2007 9:28 AM PDT
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FF, are you expecting reading comprehension?

I thought you knew better. :)

  • 10.30.2007 9:38 AM PDT
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Ive never posted here before but this is quite interesting.

First some questions :)

- How were mods first picked?
- Do they have specific forums to moderate or do they just do all of them
- Who chooses mods?


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Then why so far as there been little to no action about Mods on bungie? Its been a month since Halo 3 release and the decrease of mods activity before halo 3's announcment

First of all; Achronos is working on new tools for us. Tools that should make our job lighter.
And second: who are going to be the new moderators?


In reply to the above quote.

First: What tools do you have now then?

Second: Well I would have thought (if my question is answered) they would be chosen how they were originally?
Or even better should they not have applications to become one or some other way?

Oh and one last thing.

I think it would be appropriate to get English or European time Moderators as they come on at times when others are either asleep or at work etc...

[Edited on 10.30.2007 9:40 AM PDT]

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Ive never posted here before but this is quite interesting.

First some questions :)

- How were mods first picked?
- Do they have specific forums to moderate or do they just do all of them
- Who chooses mods?


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Posted by: baccardinals
Then why so far as there been little to no action about Mods on bungie? Its been a month since Halo 3 release and the decrease of mods activity before halo 3's announcment

First of all; Achronos is working on new tools for us. Tools that should make our job lighter.
And second: who are going to be the new moderators?


In reply to the above quote.

First: What tools do you have now then?

Second: Well I would have thought (if my question is answered) they would be chosen how they were originally?
Or even better should they not have applications to become one or some other way?

Oh and one last thing.

I think it would be appropriate to get English or European time Moderators as they come on at times when others are either asleep or at work etc...


Generally, the mods are either noticed because of their activity on the forum, or are recommended but other mods. They are selected based on whether Achronos feels that they can be trusted. And that answer's your third question. For your second question, they moderate all forums, or whichever they feel like moderating.

Their current tools include warnings, locking threads, deleting threads, and blacklisting members (anywhere from an hour to permanently).

Oh, and that last thought is a good one. In fact, it's why at least half of our currently active moderators are from Europe or Australia. ;)

  • 10.30.2007 9:48 AM PDT
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Posted by: AblativeMeatshld
FF, are you expecting reading comprehension?

I thought you knew better. :)

Exacuse me everyone, but I would like to be the first to thank Mr AblativeMeatshield for his great participation to this thread. Your ideas.. they are so logical and blatantly obvious.

Thank you AblativeMeatshield, you sure are a hero of the forum. I salute you.

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Posted by: Taken
Thank you AblativeMeatshield, you sure are a hero of the forum. I salute you.


You're posting on an alt created specifically for this thread.

Why?

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Posted by: Taken
Thank you AblativeMeatshield, you sure are a hero of the forum. I salute you.


You're posting on an alt created specifically for this thread.

Why?

Assumptions ftw?

  • 10.30.2007 10:01 AM PDT
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Posted by: Taken
Assumptions ftw?


24hr old account that's pretty much only posted in this thread. (ed: oh, and a couple of other posts that're borderline insults directed at specific bungie staffers or moderaters. keke.)

Alt.

So. Who are you?

edit2: Actually. Is it just me or are half the posts in this thread from alts? :|

People should either say what they want in the open on their main account, or sit down in the corner and shut the -blam!- up.

[Edited on 10.30.2007 10:07 AM PDT]

  • 10.30.2007 10:05 AM PDT

Posted by: Flavor Flav
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Posted by: atomic weggie
The solution is very simple, appoint more mods.
Actually it's not that simple. They can't just go around and make people mods because most people cannot be trusted and just plain suck at moderating. *cough*evilcam, just another fan, Gods Prophet*cough*

The only mods we actually need right now and who are actually good at moderating are Recon Number 54, Pezza, and Achilles (sometimes)


Yoozel, GJJ and TGP might take exception to your assessment of who's a good ninja.

There are plenty of qualified people to moderate, many of which frequent this very forum.


That is the problem though, that is only 6 moderators. And we have countless members. The ratio is just amazing to me. Which members would you suggest as moderators weggie?



I'm not going to name names, because it might make those people uncomfortable. But anyone who frequents this forum knows of who I'm talking about. There's at least 3-4 people here who would make good mods.

The problem is the longer we go with only 5-6 mods actually working, the more they'll lose their fire for the job. Hell, a lot of them already look like beaten dogs. Poor Achilles probably feels like Sampson holding up the pillars as the whole place is crashing down around him.

  • 10.30.2007 10:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: Flavor Flav
--see aku's post--

As for meatsheild, we all make mistakes, mine was thinking literacy was a prerequisite to posting.

Quite alright. I often mistakenly assume rational thought is a common trait that is shared by most members here, so I feel your pain. :)

As for the individual who made such a classy, pithy comment asto my participation here...

Well, there's really little that needs be said. Self pwnage is the best pwnage.

  • 10.30.2007 10:21 AM PDT

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There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: just another fan
Posted by: baccardinals
Then to that point have you discussed this with Achronos?

We have HFCS for a reason.


I thought that was for making fun of us "normies" JAF?

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The problem is the longer we go with only 5-6 mods actually working, the more they'll lose their fire for the job. Hell, a lot of them already look like beaten dogs. Poor Achilles probably feels like Sampson holding up the pillars as the whole place is crashing down around him.



Biblical references Weggie? You know that's against the rules O.<

However, Biblical references or not, Weggie is right. The remaining mods for whatever reasons are getting tired. And you can't really blame them. That doesn't mean that they aren't doing their job, it means that they are less involved when doing there job. They feel like they can't get involved with anything because they have to be soo many places at once. At least, that's how I see it from my perspective.

In addition, moderators carry the heavy burden that whenever they make posts, especially if they are the OP of a thread, that it garners special attention from the "normies". Same runs true when a Gold Texter, like the guy who posts after me, makes a post. It gets discussed ad naseum because of who is making the post. That has a very "cooling" effect on wanting to make posts or participate in the community because of all the attention it brings.

Achronos is working on a tool that is suppose to help out the moderators. There have been plenty of updates to the moderator tools since the days of Shishka and DMB. I <3 DMB by the way. The problem really lies in how to properly motivate volunteers, and the solution to that problem is never very easy. Believe me, I've worked in NPOs and that is the main focus of several actual employees. I hope that Bungie does something special for the mods because they are taking the brunt of a lot of flack, arguably taking flack for Bungie. Who had to read all the spoiler threads and lock them down? It wasn't Ske7ch. I know Achronos did his part during that time, but the moderators still had to look at all the threads the rest of us users got to avoid.

Who knows what the solution is! Achronos could appoint new mods. Hell, he can do that anytime he wants. I think the big issue is how to keep the mods we have happy. They are experienced (like Recon's mum) and they know the ropes (like Recon's...eh, nevermind). Bringing in new mods makes the work for the current mods more. They have to "train" the new mods while maintaining their current duties. That's a lot. I'm not saying it might not be a good idea in the long run, but it is still something to consider.

Sidenote: let's keep the whole, "I think so and so should be a mod" out of this. No one likes popularity contests, not even the people being nominated. Cheers to Weggie for avoiding that pitfall.

~B.B.

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  • 10.30.2007 10:24 AM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

Sketch isn't in charge of matchmaking. Right now, the multiplayer designers in collaboration with test and one of our producers are handling matchmaking. You'll find that they consider all data sources, more than just the Optimatch forums.

And by the way, moderators don't have to post in the public forums to moderate them. A few don't.

I'm also working on a few things to make their lives easier, but that doesn't include more moderators. That is always a last resort, given how hard it is to trust anyone around here.

Posted by: baccardinals
Sketch is head of matchmaking, they never renewed Ninjas Contract, my point is very since he took over hes not in the fourms and hes made the dumbest decisions ever. At least Ninja posted in the fourms an interacted and Moderated that fourm. He explained everything to us and now there is nothing, no reasoning, nothing at all about Halo 3. Just in the weekly updates that sayh thank you every week. So far the mods and bungie itself has been pretty sad. Halo 3 seemed Rushed and bungie liked the mods have been very quiet

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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
Posted by: just another fan
Posted by: baccardinals
Then to that point have you discussed this with Achronos?

We have HFCS for a reason.


I thought that was for making fun of us "normies" JAF?

It can have multiple uses. Who says it can't? :)

  • 10.30.2007 10:30 AM PDT