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Subject: New rule idea, a way of combating elitism

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

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[Edited on 11.02.2007 2:46 PM PDT]

  • 11.02.2007 12:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: PubIic Enemy
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With that being said, people in this thread have talked about older users attacking newer users, yet nobody has proposed the obvious solution. A new rule "Due to the problems with elitism any user who attempts to use date of joining to attack another member should expect punishment"

I think making that an official rule, and enforcing it, would help out quite a bit.


I saw this post in another thread and I thought it was an excellent idea. I think this rule, if enforced, could not only stop some of the new member abuse, but also remove those elitist users who do things like this. I dont want to take any credit for this, I simply thought it warranted a thread.

EDIT: To expand on this, direct flaming is against the rules, but I think this should be put in specifically, so that it will be used more, and will be a more direct deterrent. Those users who use join dates obviously care about their accounts, and if giving a direct statement saying "If you attack with join dates youre gone" they will probably stop, because they value their accounts.
I see no problem with a flexible enforcement of a "no-attacking-join-dates" mantra along these lines, except that it must be flexible. In many situations, join dates are completely irrelevant. A user who attacks another based on join date should probably expect punishment under certain, but definitely not all circumstances. It is clear that in some situations, join dates are extremely relevant -- namely in terms of threads that are obvious (or even not-so-obvious) trolls or otherwise controversial.

This is the kind of thing that I would expect individual moderators to enforce based on their own personal judgment, but not the kind of thing that could effectively work as a blanket rule.

[Edited on 11.02.2007 12:37 PM PDT]

  • 11.02.2007 12:33 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: twinkiemaker
Some members take it as a point of pride that they still have their original account still in use. I dont trust second accounts... period. A second account means one thing - that you other account is banned or has been perma-banned.


That's just arrogance. It's paranoia to think all, or even most, double-accounts are spawned from a previous banning, etc. Especially with Achronos' adamant prevention of changing names on existing accounts.

If people aren't willing to give up their nature and be more tolerant of individuals, we aren't going to progress as a community.

You know what, to hell with other solutions. It's toloerance that will change things around here. Everyone ("Floodians", "Elitists" such as myself, and even the spammers throughout our forums) needs to work on it.

If we don't start acting passively towards each other, we're going to stagnate.

  • 11.02.2007 12:44 PM PDT

Go Chiefs

Posted by: PubIic Enemy
Hasnt achronos said there wont be any kind of karma based systems? That and he is bringing in new tools, so if this was something that was really a good idea, do you think he would include it?

I have no idea what the "new tools" will include. As far as I know they're to assist the mods, not for the members. But maybe we will be surprised.

I don't really see my ideas (not really my ideas) as a karma system but if that's what it's called so be it. It's elementary psychology, you must reward good behavior to encourage change. The idiots and asshats will always be here, there's nothing that can be done to completely eliminate them. So what are your options? Build more tools to ban people, make it easier for members to report violations? Sure, that will help clean up the mess but it won't add anything positive.

Right now the only way members stand out is by posting quality content that is recognized over time. There has to be some sort of reward for contributing high quality content. There is no reason against it. If Achronos doesn't want to institute it that fine. But nothing will change unless change comes from within.

This forum is perfectly built to get the type of participation it gets. If the type of participation is to change then the forum needs to change.

  • 11.02.2007 1:10 PM PDT

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I have returned

I'm sorry, but most new comers are idiots that are trying to become popular by disrespectful means.

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Posted by: twinkiemaker
Some members take it as a point of pride that they still have their original account still in use. I dont trust second accounts... period. A second account means one thing - that you other account is banned or has been perma-banned.

These threads are annoying.

Like Zag said, this is already covered under the harrasment category in the CoC.


I agree that it's already covered, but I guess you don't care that I agree. I'm on my 3rd account. Why? Well, when I created my first account, I didn't have Xbox Live. Once I got Xbox Live I wanted my Bungie.net name to match my gamertag (back then I guess it was a big deal to me). Well I got a new account because I didn't like having a child account. I wanted that account to be linked to Bungie.net. So I'm on my 3rd account. Well...I have been blacklisted before. Ghandi2 gave me a 3 day ban for replying to spam (ironically, I'm the one who reported the thread to him).

Sorry.

[Edited on 11.02.2007 1:14 PM PDT]

  • 11.02.2007 1:12 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

I think this would fall under the unspoken "Don't be an idiot" rule. You know, the one that gets your topics locked? I don't think this requires special attention. It's not like it's a widespread issue; I'm willing to bet this thread was only made because of the controversy in Shai Hulud's thread.

  • 11.02.2007 2:03 PM PDT

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

.

[Edited on 11.02.2007 2:46 PM PDT]

  • 11.02.2007 2:04 PM PDT

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

.

[Edited on 11.02.2007 2:47 PM PDT]

  • 11.02.2007 2:06 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Don't be such a jackass, twinkie.

That kind of behavior from anyone is exactly why we have this situation. I'm sick of so many people being hypcritical bastards.

  • 11.02.2007 2:11 PM PDT

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

.

[Edited on 11.02.2007 2:47 PM PDT]

  • 11.02.2007 2:23 PM PDT

Go Chiefs

You're derailing your own thread. Stop it.

  • 11.02.2007 2:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sir Cumference
You're derailing your own thread. Stop it.


Indeed.

  • 11.02.2007 2:30 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: twinkiemaker
Cmon now, you know you can't stay mad at me, especially when I give you those puppy dog eyes......

=)


That's the problem right there.

Any of us makes a mistake and we play the "Hey, we're from the same tier, so cut me slack." card.

If our behavior is going to transgress what it should (I don't give a damn what the ToU, CoC, TNT, ABC, LMNOP, or ASS says, or what it doesn't say, about that kind of behavior), then admit it. Don't -blam!-foot around with text-meme's, or whatever the hell you want to call that. That's for eveyone, myself included.

  • 11.02.2007 2:31 PM PDT

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

.

[Edited on 11.02.2007 2:48 PM PDT]

  • 11.02.2007 2:33 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: PubIic Enemy
Posted by: Sir Cumference
You're derailing your own thread. Stop it.


It is clear that twinkie is being a jackass(see his response to promethus


How twinkie is acting towards me is between him and I. You don't have the authority to add your own inferences in place of my own.

  • 11.02.2007 2:35 PM PDT

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

.

[Edited on 11.02.2007 2:45 PM PDT]

  • 11.02.2007 2:41 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: PubIic Enemy
...nor would he say sorry for it.


For all you know, he could very well have sent me an apologetic PM; in fact, that would be the appropriate place for such a message. No member knows first hand what goes on outside of the public forum and others' mesage box.

  • 11.02.2007 2:42 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: twinkiemaker
I'm not making mistakes. I firmly believe that creating a rule barring discussion of join dates is absurd.


Fair enough. I make the same rationalization to myself many times, so it'd be wrong of me to contest further.

  • 11.02.2007 2:43 PM PDT