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Subject: In depth explanation of the Halo 3 skill ranking system.

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  • 12.08.2007 9:45 PM PDT
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Can you please explain to me why in the past 20 games(that wev'e one more than half of) i've played with one of my other friends who is very similar in skill and hes has gone up three an i've only went down one on a game that we won? what the heck does this mean?

  • 12.08.2007 11:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: Lilsteve61
Can you please explain to me why in the past 20 games(that wev'e one more than half of) i've played with one of my other friends who is very similar in skill and hes has gone up three an i've only went down one on a game that we won? what the heck does this mean?


your friend went up 3 lvs, and you didn't because he has a better KDR than you. Yours is at .94 while he's at 1.05. Also, he played less games than you so far so his sigma is a bit higher.

  • 12.09.2007 8:52 AM PDT
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  • 12.09.2007 9:41 AM PDT
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I just want a bar that shows progress toward levelup, just like in halo 2

  • 12.09.2007 10:36 AM PDT
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Join my group "Epic Halo"

  • 12.09.2007 10:55 AM PDT

Posted by: Psmo290
Posted by: Lilsteve61
Can you please explain to me why in the past 20 games(that wev'e one more than half of) i've played with one of my other friends who is very similar in skill and hes has gone up three an i've only went down one on a game that we won? what the heck does this mean?


your friend went up 3 lvs, and you didn't because he has a better KDR than you. Yours is at .94 while he's at 1.05. Also, he played less games than you so far so his sigma is a bit higher.
No, K/D ratio has nothing to do with it. In game stats are not used to calculate leveling. However, the last part of that statment is correct.

To Lilsteve61

You and your friend have different histories. It doesn't matter that you were at the same level. Each of you got there different ways and so you are going to level at different rates. As far as the win that moved you down a level. You had two DNF's before that win. DNF's don't count until the game is over so the effect of the result can be delayed. Most likely it was the two prior losses that sent you down, but the effect was just delayed and you saw it after the win.

[Edited on 12.09.2007 1:33 PM PST]

  • 12.09.2007 1:33 PM PDT

Posted by: TransparentBlak
I just want a bar that shows progress toward levelup, just like in halo 2
A progress bar doesn't make much sense for this system. Halo 2 used a linear system and you earned points for winning. It was easy to show your progress and you could generally tell what it would take to level up. Halo 3's system isn't linear. You could potentially jump/drop multiple levels at a time. After each win or loss your level is simply updated to reflect what level the system thinks you might be. There really is no progress to show like there was in Halo 2.

  • 12.09.2007 1:40 PM PDT

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does it mean your place at the end
or does it mean your team's place at the end even if you are lowest kills of everyone

  • 12.09.2007 3:49 PM PDT
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well thx its nice to know how things work. what about lowering rank?
will rank go down if you betray or commit suicide?

  • 12.09.2007 4:05 PM PDT

Posted by: H4XR4BB17
well thx its nice to know how things work. what about lowering rank?
will rank go down if you betray or commit suicide?
The only 3 factors in leveling are:

1) Did your team win or lose
2) The difference in you and your opponents skill levels (greater the difference greater the change)
3) The confidence the system has of you and your opponents skill levels.

Any thing else doesn't matter, so no commiting suicide or betrayal don't directly effect your skill level. However, if they cause your team to lose then the loss will certainly effect you.

  • 12.09.2007 5:40 PM PDT

Posted by: KEVINSPARTAN117
does it mean your place at the end
or does it mean your team's place at the end even if you are lowest kills of everyone
Everyone on the team places the same. You win and lose together.

  • 12.09.2007 5:42 PM PDT
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I have a question about EXP points. I am a newbie to Halo. I had 8 EXP points and when I played 4 more social matches I dropped down to 7 EXP and lost my Private Grade 2 status in the process. Why is this?

  • 12.09.2007 5:45 PM PDT

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Yeah it gets aggervating at times, but then again it stops noobs from getting to lvl 50. I am currently a lvl 45 in Team Slayer. I have kept a tally of how many games I have came in 1st and 2nd, since I have became a lvl 45 in team slayer. Team slayer games are as followed 23 wins 1st place, 8 losses 2nd place. So how soon will I be lvling to lvl 46? Or would I need more information to figure it out?

  • 12.09.2007 6:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Psmo290
Posted by: Lilsteve61
Can you please explain to me why in the past 20 games(that wev'e one more than half of) i've played with one of my other friends who is very similar in skill and hes has gone up three an i've only went down one on a game that we won? what the heck does this mean?


your friend went up 3 lvs, and you didn't because he has a better KDR than you. Yours is at .94 while he's at 1.05. Also, he played less games than you so far so his sigma is a bit higher.


Im sorry KDR has nothing to do with your skill lvl.

  • 12.09.2007 7:28 PM PDT
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K, so why is it that today I won a game and my rank still went down? It's weiiiiiird...

  • 12.10.2007 12:19 AM PDT

Posted by: Hydrogue
Yeah it gets aggervating at times, but then again it stops noobs from getting to lvl 50. I am currently a lvl 45 in Team Slayer. I have kept a tally of how many games I have came in 1st and 2nd, since I have became a lvl 45 in team slayer. Team slayer games are as followed 23 wins 1st place, 8 losses 2nd place. So how soon will I be lvling to lvl 46? Or would I need more information to figure it out?
I believe 17 of those wins occured while you partied with a very low rank. First off there is a general matchmaking issue that has to do with mixed parties. It can slow or stall your ability to rank. It's possible this is effecting you. Also the system doesn't reward you as much for beating lower ranks. When you party with a very low rank you are going to go up against mixed ranks as well. Generally you will go against a couple people at your rank and a few much lower. Games like that will mean less and slow your ranking. The best thing you can do for yourself if you want to rank is play with people at or above your rank, but don't play with people much lower. In addition to that you obviously need to win, but that should be a given :)

As far as calculating how many games till you rank. Don't even try. Just play and let the system move you.

  • 12.10.2007 1:24 AM PDT

Posted by: Wadjet2
K, so why is it that today I won a game and my rank still went down? It's weiiiiiird...
Did you drop a rank after the last game on Epitaph where you placed 3rd? Before that game you have a DNF. A game where you don't finish won't update your stats until after it's complete. That loss probably dropped you but the effect didn't appear until after the next game.

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  • 12.10.2007 1:36 AM PDT
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ok, i undererstand this whole ranking system thing... but im in the red, literally... ive got negative experiance... its now at -45 but two weeks ago was at
-138, and ive been slowly getting it back to normal... Anyhoo its negative because my internet cable modem is f**ked up and it disconnects me from matches sometime in the middle of them, and sometimes before them in the pre-game lobby, and subtracts experiance and counts it as quitting, which ends up looking bad on my service record...

  • 12.10.2007 2:43 AM PDT
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no, unless its lone wolves, coming in third doesent affect you, you still get an exp, but its good for morale to come in 2nd or 1st, making third dont feel good... trust me... lol

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Posted by: Wadjet2
(K, so why is it that today I won a game and my rank still went down? It's weiiiiiird...)
Did you drop a rank after the last game on Epitaph where you placed 3rd? Before that game you have a DNF. A game where you don't finish won't update your stats until after it's complete. That loss probably dropped you but the effect didn't appear until after the next game.

  • 12.10.2007 2:45 AM PDT
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it really annoys me when i see people that i used to beat in h2 higher skill than me and less exp because i know they dont deserve the rank

  • 12.10.2007 6:47 AM PDT
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It is on

yes it is very nice that you would take time to try and explain this very complex system,... However *shakes head* There is still the matter of me winning 9 matches in a row in team slayer, while having the number level 38 and not moving on to 39 which should have then proceeded to become 40 and so on. I do beleive that there is some very complex thinking that goes into this system, but why would i then, after winning 9 matches in a row and not leveling up, would i lose 1 match and go to level 37? i ask you why ladies and gentleemen WHY?if you do not beleiv me look at this


Team Slayer 12/9/2007 12:30:49 AM Isolation Team Slayer 1st preview
Team Slayer 12/9/2007 12:23:29 AM The Pit Team Slayer 1st preview
Team Slayer 12/9/2007 12:13:26 AM The Pit Team Slayer 1st preview
Team Slayer 12/9/2007 12:04:30 AM Guardian Team Slayer 1st preview
Team Slayer 12/8/2007 11:57:23 PM Guardian Team Slayer 1st preview
Team Slayer 12/8/2007 11:50:29 PM Guardian Team Slayer 1st preview
Team Slayer 12/8/2007 11:43:04 PM High Ground Team Slayer 1st preview
Team Slayer 12/8/2007 11:33:24 PM Isolation Team Slayer 1st preview
Team Slayer 12/8/2007 11:25:30 PM Snowbound Team Slayer 1st preview

Hmmm well i guess its back to the battle field for me bungie, another dedicated fan, player, supporter who has been thrashed about by your ranking system.

P.S. i have all of the acheivments and... still missing the armor for my elite commando

  • 12.10.2007 7:18 AM PDT
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It is on

Oh yeah an i dont want to hear anything about my kill to death ratio because it is either the top or secound to top in any of the games i played in that 9 game winning streak

  • 12.10.2007 7:23 AM PDT

Posted by: JiggaWhat
yes it is very nice that you would take time to try and explain this very complex system,... However *shakes head* There is still the matter of me winning 9 matches in a row in team slayer, while having the number level 38 and not moving on to 39 which should have then proceeded to become 40 and so on. I do beleive that there is some very complex thinking that goes into this system, but why would i then, after winning 9 matches in a row and not leveling up, would i lose 1 match and go to level 37? i ask you why ladies and gentleemen WHY?if you do not beleiv me look at this


Team Slayer 12/9/2007 12:30:49 AM Isolation Team Slayer 1st preview
Team Slayer 12/9/2007 12:23:29 AM The Pit Team Slayer 1st preview
Team Slayer 12/9/2007 12:13:26 AM The Pit Team Slayer 1st preview
Team Slayer 12/9/2007 12:04:30 AM Guardian Team Slayer 1st preview
Team Slayer 12/8/2007 11:57:23 PM Guardian Team Slayer 1st preview
Team Slayer 12/8/2007 11:50:29 PM Guardian Team Slayer 1st preview
Team Slayer 12/8/2007 11:43:04 PM High Ground Team Slayer 1st preview
Team Slayer 12/8/2007 11:33:24 PM Isolation Team Slayer 1st preview
Team Slayer 12/8/2007 11:25:30 PM Snowbound Team Slayer 1st preview

Hmmm well i guess its back to the battle field for me bungie, another dedicated fan, player, supporter who has been thrashed about by your ranking system.

P.S. i have all of the acheivments and... still missing the armor for my elite commando

K/D ratio has nothing to do with ranking up or down, only winning/losing and the skill level of your opponents.

First off, you did have a couple things going on. One was, you were in a mixed skilled party. The lowest being a 26 while you were a 38, the highest. This slows your progression down and in some cases stops it. This is something Bungie is working on but until then, don't plan on going up much when playing with parties like this.

The second thing is you were the highest skilled in your party. This means the average skill of the teams you were playing against was lower than you. With the TrueSkill system, winning against lower skilled teams does little to nothing for you. You don't get much skill for beating lower level teams because the system has determined you should win anyway. Now, when you lost, the oppositions average team skill was below yours so you took a big hit. The system determined you should win, but you lost and penalized you accordingly.

With this system, like it or not, you not only have to win, but win against equally or higher skilled teams. If you lose against a lower skilled team, you will go down. You can't beat up on lower skilled teams and still move up.

  • 12.10.2007 8:07 AM PDT

luv..

50th game
Your level = 15 Player levels 13 (75 Mu/win 125Mu/loss) 14 (85 Mu/win 115Mu/loss) 15 (100 Mu/win/loss) 17 (125 Mu/win 75Mu/loss)
Sigma at 50%
you place 2nd
L13 was 1st
L15 was 3rd
L14 was 4th
L17 was 5th
in this you would get:
L13 You would lose 62 Mu -(50% of 125 Mu)
L14 You would gain 42 Mu +(50% of 85 Mu)
L15 You would gain 50 Mu +(50% of 100 Mu)
L17 You would gain 62 Mu +(50% of 125 Mu)


So, after this game you would gain 154 Mu but lose 62 and thus a net change of 92 Mu gained. After more and more games, your Sigma will fall so you gain and lose even less (so if you have a sketchy history at level 20 but roughly even amounts of wins/losses your rank will eventually stop around 19-21)



so by this examlpe your telling methat from this point on.. you can actually stop at a level and thats pretty much where your going to be no matter how much you win?

  • 12.10.2007 8:57 AM PDT