- Jay120171
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Posted by: Kun1z
I don't know if this was mentioned before but:
"Trueskill DOES NOT take into evaluation performances inside the game. The ONLY statistics that Trueskill takes from a game are the Mu and Sigma values of all the players, and how you placed."
Is incorrect. How you perform ingame and who you perform with is taken into consideration. This has been proven through testing. It's also the same reason you can rank up in ie Lone Wolves off a loss (5th/6th place), or rank down off a win (1st place). MS and Bungie have stated that individual performance does not matter, only winning or losing. Your K/D ratio, MVP, how many kills, etc. are not tracked or used for skill determination. The reasons for people ranking up from a loss and down from a win have been explained. It was not stated that who you play against doesn't matter. It does matter in the sense that the MU and Sigma of your opponents are used pre-game when the system calculates who should win and what the MU and sigma adjustments are post-game.
It's also why if you play team based modes, different teammates will rank up at difference rates, despite the fact all accounts are new (freebee trial cards). I've seen evidence of a team who only played together for 160 games and all had the same rank. I have not seen players who have only played together and moved at different rates but if you would link their GT's, I would love to check em out.
Also, for another example, if you play 4v4 Team Slayer, and your team is made up of 4 friends, and the other teams you play are randomly strewn together, you wont gain rank (you might get one here and there), regardless of how many wins, and how well you do. But as soon as you jump in alone, and hook up with a random team, you'll rank up almost every match, win or lose, as long as you have a good K/D and place 1st on your team in kills/objective (even if you lose, if you're in 1st on your team, you should rank up a lot).Again, I have seen no evidence of this and have seen a lot of evidence against this. Those moving up after losing a game are uncommon. There is far more evidence of teams being mixed skills playing together and not moving much or teams playing against teams of lower average skill and not moving. I have seen no one rank up almost every match when they lose even though they have a high K/D ratio or come in "first" on the losing team. If you know of some, please provide their GT's so we can check it out.
It's not that I flat out don't believe you but it's highly suspect to just come in here and say things are proven incorrect without providing any evidence. I and others in this thread have taken the time to look at a ton of GT's of people who are confused, pissed off, curious or just don't get it and have been able to explain everything that has happened to them using the MS pages on TrueSkill. What you are saying is opposite of how the designers of the system says it works so before I can agree with you, I need to see some evidence.