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Subject: In depth explanation of the Halo 3 skill ranking system.

I just went through about 15 games of lone wolves to level up... then got stuck in oddball -blam!-ry and leveled down. Screw you bungie, screw you.

  • 01.20.2008 6:04 PM PDT

Posted by: autopatch
[quote]Posted by: crocket123
Bungie needs to adopt their own ranking system. It needs to be fair through all players. It is safe to say the system is not fair because for some people leveling is easy but for others it is hard to go up just one. All of my freinds that stopped playing Halo is because of the ranking system.

Do you play tic-tac-toe anymore? Probably not .. if the participant the game feels that there is no reasonable chance of an interesting outcome, they stop playing.


That's about where I'm at tonight. I'm so -blam!- SICK of the ranking system that it is starting to spoil what should be a great experience. I want a little more predictable reward for my hard work.

Bungie, you are about to lose a once-dedicated customer.


Are you listening to your user base? We're frustrated. FIX THE SKILL RANKING SYSTEM. IT SUCKS. IT'S BROKEN. IT'S TAKING THE FUN OUT OF THE GAME.

  • 01.20.2008 11:58 PM PDT

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Im with him ^

  • 01.21.2008 11:48 AM PDT
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This garbage can kiss my *** i won the past 10 games in doubles and cant get past a level 13 wtf! lonewolves im stuck at a 33, team slayer wont go past 23 this is one garbage ass system and can blow me go ahead bungie feal free to ban me from your -blam!- up forum cause u can all kiss my -blam!- ass! If anyone wants to see my skill meet me on Guardian.

  • 01.21.2008 8:23 PM PDT
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Your Rank system is doooooooooody now i dont know what you did to it but it is ridiculous, im on a 95 game win streak in slayer and im a 21 still. LOL

  • 01.21.2008 10:36 PM PDT
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I'm with the rest of these guys. I'm sick of being stuck at 24 after winning enough games that my friend went from a 13 to a god damn 30. That's just ridiculous. I could see if I went up slower than him because he just started playing but I should've at least gone up a good chunk. Check your system because it's definately glitching alot of us and screwing us over for our hard work.

  • 01.22.2008 12:17 AM PDT
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I had a Tie game in my record and the game leave my team in second place why that happend to me ???? That was on isolation

  • 01.22.2008 1:04 AM PDT

Posted by: HackerS CenteR
This garbage can kiss my *** i won the past 10 games in doubles and cant get past a level 13 wtf! lonewolves im stuck at a 33, team slayer wont go past 23 this is one garbage ass system and can blow me go ahead bungie feal free to ban me from your -blam!- up forum cause u can all kiss my -blam!- ass! If anyone wants to see my skill meet me on Guardian.
I only looked at your TD games because you must be talking about a different GT. There is no 10 game streak and you seem to be winning a few, losing a few, winning one, losing one - in other words, you're about your correct skill level. You have still gone up to 13 even though you are winning and losing in almost equal amounts. So, what's the GT you are talking about?

  • 01.22.2008 5:55 AM PDT
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for those of you who are complaining about being in the 20's and 30's wait till u hit the mid to high forties. big winning streak and you dont level, lose one and you delevel, forefeit a game come back to screen 5 mins later and you level up to a 41 O_O

  • 01.22.2008 8:42 AM PDT
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it says that i need to win against higher ranked opponents. well i have played with my friend and when we started he was a 16 i was a 10 yasterday he gat to level 30 and i am only 11 and in most of tha games that i have played with him in i have done better than him. why does this happen i have consistantly won against higher opponents but i dont get any skill but my friend does worse than me and gets a skill point.

  • 01.22.2008 8:57 AM PDT
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how come my west carroll account is not ranking up
my stats
and almost a full page before that 4 loses 40 wins i didn't rank up till a played with me and my brother which the same thing happened to him
ranked up 6 times yet one night i played 29 doubles won 25 and ranked up 11 times with a mixed party and i was a 33 to a 46
why?
also if i have my Brigadier does it take more to rank up than a Commander or anything lower

[Edited on 01.22.2008 4:34 PM PST]

  • 01.22.2008 4:00 PM PDT
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ur full of crap.. shut up and play CoD4

  • 01.22.2008 4:09 PM PDT
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Yeah I won 29 games IN A ROW in Team Slayer and only went from 14 to 15. They need to make it to where if you win you go up if you lose you go down.

  • 01.22.2008 4:35 PM PDT
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I was born on July 7th, BUNGIE DAY. (I'm 15)
People who can't spell or use Grammar correctly on these forums should just leave. ILLITERACY FTL And I hate Naruto now, I just liked it when I made this username.
WIN.

My new account is "xISuicideKingzIx" I was hacked for my reconz (thanks -.-) and I'm back.

Thanks for this, although it is a bit confusing.

  • 01.22.2008 7:41 PM PDT
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I was born on July 7th, BUNGIE DAY. (I'm 15)
People who can't spell or use Grammar correctly on these forums should just leave. ILLITERACY FTL And I hate Naruto now, I just liked it when I made this username.
WIN.

My new account is "xISuicideKingzIx" I was hacked for my reconz (thanks -.-) and I'm back.

Posted by: Eat MuffNz
ur full of crap.. shut up and play CoD4

Please, no flaming. It's annoying to see the arrogance of CoD4 Players....

  • 01.22.2008 7:42 PM PDT
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u guys think bungie cares about the true skill system? we see there updates every week! they havent done a thing to fix it or even mention in there weekly up dates there to busy playin -blam!- football players and making crappy maps for us to download and pay 10 bucks for. I get frustrated 2 i been back n forth wit 44-43 skill for a month, im just gonna have to play 8 hours a day to get it up just like the 50 skill generals did to get theres

  • 01.22.2008 7:58 PM PDT

Halo3 Leveling system is nooby though, like every noob has 40+ or 50s.... its way to easy to level and i dont like it, halo should have lvling system like CoD4 so noobs cant get to 50 over and over.... lol.. and i HATE COD4 but i do like that presitge junk cuz i know i could get 55 over and over, just like how i got to 50 in halo3 in a matter of a week in TS and LW

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  • 01.22.2008 8:25 PM PDT
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I will leave the problems that could be caused by Lag out since there are apparently so many. However the rank system isn't affected by lag. There is so much that seems out of place. I always select prefer skill in lone wolves yet in most games I am paired with people 3 to 7 ranks higher than me. I am a 37 currently (was 38) and I have been matched with 5 players in the low to mid and even high 40's more times than I can count. If what this thread supposes is accurate, I shouldn't de-rank if I get beat by them but that doesn't seem to matter. I should also stand a better chance of ranking up and that doesn't happen when I beat higher ranked players.

I don't know what the solution is but I have started playing COD4 and there are some posititve things in that system. One thing that Bungie could consider is giving credit for positive K/D regardless of win, loss or place in the match. Nothing sucks worse than having spots on the medal board and being MVP but losing because the team you got paired with sucked. Or having someone go negative and win a Lone Wolves match but you are a couple of kill behind but go positive six or more.

I think rank should reflect some level of skill and not just be a linear system that everyone will eventually reach the top but perhaps those extra skilled players can get some sort of armor permutation that lets them show they are good through earning some type of achievements that are out of reach for the less skilled. Maybe some kind of linear progression like COD4 would be a good thing where time and persistence will eventually get you to be a general but maybe without some special adornment.

Just some thoughts. I know I am definitely spending alot more time in COD4 right now because of these issues. I don't care about new maps right now (I already have three that I can only play in Heroic DLC matchmaking). I really want to see an autoupdate that gets some things headed in the right direction soon.

  • 01.22.2008 10:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: Jay120171
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Thanks for looking at everything, but regardless, the system needs some serious work. Im wondering about the chances Bungie will issue a patch for the game that could essentially fix all these bugs. And on the matter of leveling with a team slower... thats just counter-productive to the game, as one of XBL's biggest ads is to play with your friends online, then you penalize them for it, just irritating. Its not just them either, i was stuck at 40 for a while then played with other people and sure enough shot up to 45. It takes away from teamwork when your forced to play alone cause u wont skill up. I'm just frustrated with the whole system, and im mad they changed it from the H2 system, while not improving it. Change for changes sake doesnt make the result good or better than what was before.

P.s. Thanks Jay for trying to aleviate everyone's concerns with the ranking system, and sorry if i vented on you any, for a game that took so long to make Im just upset they couldn't put it out without all these problems. Your the only one willing to discuss it, while bungie is no where to be found.
Well, it seems they improved some aspects of the H2 system but also created other complications that system did not have. One good thing is all this is data is stored and calculated on the back end (Live servers). If there is a change or adjustment made, it won't require a patch to the game itself.

A lot of people confuse my attempts at explaining things with me some how justifying it's faults. I am not saying you did this but a lot of people seem to. I know it has some issues and I am only trying to explain why it is doing it. I try not to sound like "Here is how it works and it's the greatest thing in the world and you must be dumb to not like it!" because that is not how I feel about it. Some parts about it are good and some are broken - no doubt. Anyway, heated discussions and debates are fine with me. It's how my friends and I "discuss" things and even though we may get pissed, we are still friends at the end of the day (although one or two of us may have some bruises). I don't take things personally, especially when I can understand the frustration people have with it.


Hey Jay, finally had some luck at leveling , the trick was to just win them all lol. won 21 of 22 and went from 43 to 46 in doubles. Im starting to believe that in MM @ 40+ it takes about 6-8 wins in a row to level, and 1-2 losses to lose either 1 or 2 levels. So, make sure to win them all if u wanna level up any.

  • 01.23.2008 4:33 AM PDT

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how come my west carroll account is not ranking up
my stats
and almost a full page before that 4 loses 40 wins i didn't rank up till a played with me and my brother which the same thing happened to him
ranked up 6 times yet one night i played 29 doubles won 25 and ranked up 11 times with a mixed party and i was a 33 to a 46
why?
also if i have my Brigadier does it take more to rank up than a Commander or anything lower
I took a quick look at your games. You are playing with a teammate who is 12 levels below you. When you play in a mixed party with this big of a separation, it will take you (the highest skill level) a large number of games to go up. Also, it seems that the highest skilled in the party also takes the biggest hit when you lose usually dropping after every loss. Part of this is because the system matches you up against other mixed teams and considers these games "low quality" matches where little can be learned about the skill of the players because they are so dissimilar in skill levels. I think the other part of it is that the highest skilled member is at the top of the "average" skill of the team, so you get little for winning (expected) and lose a lot for losing (unexpected).

The military rank you get based on EXP does not factor in to your skill level. Sometimes it appears that Brigadier's take longer to level up than Captain's for example, but that is only because they have generally played more games. The more games you play in a playlist, the more wins it takes to gain skill levels.

  • 01.23.2008 5:35 AM PDT

Posted by: _Akira
Hey Jay, finally had some luck at leveling , the trick was to just win them all lol. won 21 of 22 and went from 43 to 46 in doubles. Im starting to believe that in MM @ 40+ it takes about 6-8 wins in a row to level, and 1-2 losses to lose either 1 or 2 levels. So, make sure to win them all if u wanna level up any.
Congrats, it does appear that leveling up once you get in to the 40's is getting harder. I am not sure if it is because there are more people in the 40's now who have played a large number of games and have a very low sigma or what. This may be why 1 loss can almost always get you skilled down because every loss at that level is unexpected. Anyway, TD is one of the hardest to get up high in so I am glad it finally gave you some credit for all that hard work.

  • 01.23.2008 5:43 AM PDT

thankyou

  • 01.23.2008 9:23 AM PDT
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how do u know all this only a bungie or microsoft employee would know this

  • 01.23.2008 9:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: fraz94dachief
how do u know all this only a bungie or microsoft employee would know this


Most of this is actually public knowledge of Microsoft's True Skill System. The rest can pretty much be backed out from testing.

  • 01.23.2008 11:42 AM PDT
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http://www.uk-xtream-gaming.co.uk/Team-Uk/modules.php?name=Ne ws&file=article&sid=2
I think you forgot a little thing callef REFERENCING
DON'T pass things off as your own

  • 01.23.2008 1:02 PM PDT