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Subject: In depth explanation of the Halo 3 skill ranking system.

yah i no how much trouble this is giving everybody but like tht with the 1 wins and 2 losses must mean you have a good sigma or watever. which sux cuz no i have to take all this time to build my rank back up to zero and it takes about 50 games(of WINNING). ino im back but all of the sudden, one day my connection was just fne. it was amazin, no disconnects at all! i havent posted here in a month but what i was tryin to say with my achievemnts were tht they were actin up an yes i do have alot. so this game has an odd rankin sytem and kinda REALLY pisses me off but the rank doesnt relly matter as long as you no ur better thn somebody with a liutenant and ur a gunnary seargent. im a recruit and ive out scored majors and higer and i no im better than most so i dont relly cre any move i give up on this crappy rankin system.
Posted by: TetraHydroxide
Note: How do I post without having to quote? And how do i make new threads =\ I can't find any new thread buttons

Anyway..

Ill put my problem here - My friend and I are playing team doubles and it takes him about 5 games to go up a rank, and it take me about one (wins). Why is this? And why does it take two losses to go down?

  • 01.26.2008 9:06 AM PDT

Thank you for this explanation, it is quite useful, but it also makes abundantly clear how restarters (and 2nd account users until they reach their appropriate level) salt the game. Having said that, in that middle rank you spoke of (which I am currently in in Team Slayer) it should actually make less of a difference over a certain number of games, a fact which I admittedly (even though it seems 60 - 70% of the players of that level have strated over for some reason) have noticed that it seems to be less of a problem. Guess the crux of my mini-rant is that although restarters are annoying when you get trounced by a 5 that is actually a 45, and it is anoying to pound people for 5 straight games, just to go down a level when you play that 5, overall, the ranking system seems to work and work well. So again, that math makes more sense to me now. Thanx for that thorought explanation

  • 01.26.2008 10:21 AM PDT
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ya ur rite im a major n halo 3 been since nov 14 on most cases i get 20 2 23
kills just yesterday i got 33 n ts n i lost a point instead of gaining 1 they talk about beating a team higher than u me n my team beat 2 commanders n 1 colonel n i didnt even get a point wtf???!!!!!!

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  • 01.26.2008 11:02 AM PDT
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Is the system broken? You tell me (36 total games, 35 wins, average over 20 kills per game and im only level 21)

http://www.bungie.net/stats/halo3/CareerStats.aspx?player=Phy rexian%20Rath

  • 01.26.2008 12:08 PM PDT

OZZI OZZI OZZI.... OI OI OI!!!!

question: Will following a losing game by a winning game make you level up faster? its a rumor that ive heard.

  • 01.26.2008 3:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: Phyrexian Rath
Is the system broken? You tell me (36 total games, 35 wins, average over 20 kills per game and im only level 21)

http://www.bungie.net/stats/halo3/CareerStats.aspx?player=Phy rexian%20Rath


First you are playing in mixed parties. Second 21 ranks in 36 games is something most people would kill for. Your kills per game don't matter to the rank calculation.

  • 01.26.2008 4:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: OZZI 1337
question: Will following a losing game by a winning game make you level up faster? its a rumor that ive heard.


Not unless you have never lost before. Some people that have never lost finally start to rank easier once they have lost.

  • 01.26.2008 4:58 PM PDT
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Thank you for posting this. I started to think the ranking system for this game was ridiculously bad and I almost stopped playig Halo since it was getting me so mad. Now that I know how it works I am glad that I kept playing the game.

  • 01.26.2008 5:29 PM PDT
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halo 3's ranking system sucks, if you lose a game and go down a rank it takes you 5 games to get it up, my friend once won 21 games IN A ROW and didnt even go up a single level. then today when i was playing with him he started at 42, lost ONE game and went down to 40. Also, how can you call it "true skill" when it doesnt take your K/D ratio into account? we once lost a game and i went +12 and i still went down a rank.

  • 01.26.2008 8:14 PM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

Posted by: Phyrexian Rath
Is the system broken? You tell me (36 total games, 35 wins, average over 20 kills per game and im only level 21)

http://www.bungie.net/stats/halo3/CareerStats.aspx?player=Phy rexian%20Rath


you are ranking up after every win or every other win. how much faster do you think you should rank up?

also, the worth of the system is not to only be measured by how quickly or super quickly it allows vets playing on new accounts to rank up, it is how it deals with accounts of all kinds for YEARS. when you have an account with an established history and where you have leveled out, please post a link to show us how the rank system is inaccurate.

  • 01.26.2008 8:51 PM PDT
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omg ty alot this has helped me alot

  • 01.26.2008 9:36 PM PDT

Posted by: Baaaaaaaaaaaaah
Jay, maybe I have been wrong on this fundamental issue all along, but I thought Bungie tweaked True Skill to consider 1st - 3rd place in LW's equally as a win (for both EXP and MU purposes)? Was I wrong and they used their base model for it? If so, this makes Lone Wolves a considerably harder playlist to rank up in, considering how often random aspects of the game would cost you the difference ebtween 1st and 3rd place. I could have swore I saw multiple statements confirming what I thought, and not related to EXP only.
I know they do for EXP but I am not sure about skill levels. I assume 3&4 was a draw if all skill levels are equal and coming in 3rd is technically not a "win". So, for 1st through 3rd it is possible to gain skill if you are the lowest and predicted to come in 6th. That is where the whole skill levels of your opponents and your predicted outcome comes in to play. If I am wrong, please point me to the info or let me know because I am not aware if Bungie altered this. FFA is where TrueSkill does the best because it isn't dealing with a party or teams.

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  • 01.27.2008 7:27 AM PDT

Thank you! very informative. I have seen alot of recruits who are mocked because of their low grade. But they werent actually noobs, they just left the game at the wrong time. Keep the info coming

  • 01.27.2008 8:41 AM PDT
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I was wondering why i was finding it impossible to break away from rank 19, thanks for the info.

  • 01.27.2008 11:02 AM PDT

I have a question...I was playing doubles with my friend (I'm a 33, he's a 1), and we lost a match but his skill level went up! How does this work now?

  • 01.27.2008 11:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: Jay120171
Posted by: Baaaaaaaaaaaaah
Jay, maybe I have been wrong on this fundamental issue all along, but I thought Bungie tweaked True Skill to consider 1st - 3rd place in LW's equally as a win (for both EXP and MU purposes)? Was I wrong and they used their base model for it? If so, this makes Lone Wolves a considerably harder playlist to rank up in, considering how often random aspects of the game would cost you the difference ebtween 1st and 3rd place. I could have swore I saw multiple statements confirming what I thought, and not related to EXP only.
I know they do for EXP but I am not sure about skill levels. I assume 3&4 was a draw if all skill levels are equal and coming in 3rd is technically not a "win". So, for 1st through 3rd it is possible to gain skill if you are the lowest and predicted to come in 6th. That is where the whole skill levels of your opponents and your predicted outcome comes in to play. If I am wrong, please point me to the info or let me know because I am not aware if Bungie altered this. FFA is where TrueSkill does the best because it isn't dealing with a party or teams.


I'l look around and try to find where I thought I got this info. It makes sense that 3rd behaves as a win one way or the other though...you beat 3 people and lose to 2. I swore It was in an ElKafungis post, but possibly not in this thread and possibly over at MLG forums.

  • 01.27.2008 11:59 AM PDT

I've been wondering why i go up levels faster than my friends, must be cos i don't play that often. Cheers

  • 01.27.2008 1:08 PM PDT
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I read a post by one of the mods about trueskill and he said " if at some point you get better at hitting headshots then you could see a significant increase in rank" but you just said it doesn't take that into account. Can you explain to me why he would have said that? By the way i can't actually find the original post but it was in a thread where someone was complaining about never ranking up and winning all the time or something stupid like that

  • 01.27.2008 1:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mahbalss
I read a post by one of the mods about trueskill and he said " if at some point you get better at hitting headshots then you could see a significant increase in rank" but you just said it doesn't take that into account. Can you explain to me why he would have said that? By the way i can't actually find the original post but it was in a thread where someone was complaining about never ranking up and winning all the time or something stupid like that
He means that if you got better you would be more likely to win and therefore would rank up faster. I believe it was a post by Frankie about how TrueSkill weighs recent games more heavily in your rank than older games.

  • 01.27.2008 1:33 PM PDT
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I am sick of this firggen game and everything that friggen goes with it. What the hell Bungie? What's with this fugging game?

Lets list off every part of it that is total and complete fugging -blam!-.

1) The ranking system. It is total BS. Total BS. I level up slower than my friend, go down faster. I get all the kills and always go fugging positive until this game gets on my nerves so much because it is complete BS. Do something about it. Make it like Halo 2 where all the fugging little brats that are 50's (this doesn't apply to everyone) can only get to level 10. They get their 50 because of fugging people like me helping them up there and I get BSed because my rank refuses to go up but will go down. I am facing the fugging higher people and it is BS that my friend gained 20 levels and I have gained 4 since we started playing together. You can shove it up your ass Bungie. This is -blam!- horrible. Make a fair friggen game, do something useful for once. As of now, this game is no FUN. It is not competive, -blam!- up number one. There are wayy too many BS things that happen, -blam!- up number two and the ranking system is BS, -blam!- up numero tres.

Stop making these fugging -blam!- mappacks and actually fix the existing games. You should be deleteing some maps rather than friggen adding more. Epitaph? That -blam!- is horrible. I have never seen such a worse map that promotes camping. For all you smart asses that say you should be able to kill campers if you are so good, screw you. You result to camping because you can't win fair and square. Halo 2 wasn't like this crap that you call the "upgraded" version. Sure. a new patch is coming, it better fix everything or Halo 3 is going to go down the hole very fast. I would speed it up Bungie, get off your fat asses and do something helpful to the community. You have a 39 page thread of complaints about the damn ranking system don't tell me this crap is working. Don't give me that crap. It is broken.

Melee system is also screwed up. Good, you are "looking" for something to improve on in the AU Patch, hopefully it will be good. You ruined a third of the game if it isn't.

Third of all is respawning. Is it just me or does everyone else get these lucky respawns which saves his/her partners lives due to them respawning and killing the person? Me and my partner NEVER get respawned next or ever near to eachother unless the other team is on the other side of the friggen map. How come we get screwed and the other team profits? And the best part is, we still win most of the time despite these damn campers, which have no skill, and despite the fugged up melee system which screws us oh so much. The odds are against us and we are still winning unless it is complete BS. I can only say once have I been beaten by a better team. Once. The other teams whom win win off of that fugged up game that you created with all the little stupid problems that come along with it.

Why Bungie? Why? My friend went up 20 levels and I have gone up 4. I am going positive. I am kicking teams butts. What the hell else do you want? This is soo screwed up and I am sick of it.

I would like a ban from these stupid forums so I don't result to coming on these forums anymore. Thank you for you help.

  • 01.27.2008 5:23 PM PDT
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I changed my mind the ranking system sucks

[Edited on 01.27.2008 7:28 PM PST]

  • 01.27.2008 7:27 PM PDT
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Is something with the ranking system screwed up right now??? I have like 70 total games played, I just won 25+ games in a row at level 26 and 28. No one on our party leveled up at all except for 1 game we all moved up 2 levels. Glitched??? Will we all suddenly move up like 10 levels or something?

  • 01.28.2008 12:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: BORNforDEATH
Very well written. All I need to do now is get up to level 25 and it's smooth sailing.

SHA NAH NAH!!!!!!!


That average is taken from all the different playlists, so most people have low ranks in isolated playlists like land control, team objective, etc.
It gets progressively harder because the skill of players gets better and better. Just because there's more people in a lower skilled playlist doesn't mean that its harder to rank up.

  • 01.28.2008 10:54 AM PDT
Subject: In depth explanation of the Halo 3 skill ranking system.
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this is the answer to the ranking system. see you guys just need to be awesome at halo 3 like me. Ya sure it takes a billion games to level up, but if you don't lose like me, you eventually will level up. Ya I get pissed when i don't level after winning 20+ games but the answer is...win more games. That's why i have a 50 in team slayer and team doubles and currently working on my 50 in lone wolves...If anyone needs help getting boosted up send me a message i like doing charity work.

  • 01.28.2008 12:10 PM PDT

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  • 01.28.2008 2:26 PM PDT