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Subject: In depth explanation of the Halo 3 skill ranking system.

Posted by: SoUr L1Me
The process of me leveling up makes your post seem bunk and I'm not kidding.

I win 12+ Games in a Row going positive against higher levels then me and I don't budge a level.
I always carry my team in Team Slayer going +6 or better each game, they level up but I don't.

If you would have read the post: Your individual performance in a team game does not matter. Going positive or carrying your team doesn't matter. I briefly looked through your games and didn't see a 12 game streak but you are around 47 so it will be difficult to go up.

  • 11.16.2007 8:33 AM PDT
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sure but what about some people have a rank ex 3 but highest skill is 45 aggainst an apprentice thats not excatly fair and ive seen it happen alot

  • 11.16.2007 9:38 AM PDT
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Theres so many crammed in at 40-50 skill, you will just have to wait untill someone drops out of the top skill level, so the rest can squeeze in there.
Untill that time it might take a year or two to reach that level, you are moving up rank, but at a very very slow pace, if the 50 cap was removed you would see a big differance in everyones skill level.moving 10 times faster than now.

  • 11.16.2007 11:11 AM PDT
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The one thing about the system that is flawed as far as I can tell is that When I am playing team slayer, I am normally good. I go up ranks fairly often. Sometimes though, I get paired with a very bad team. I usually end with +5 or better and everyone else on my team has -5 or lower. I think that in cases like these, K/D spread should be taken into account. It is extremely aggravating.

  • 11.16.2007 1:56 PM PDT

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somebody give this guy a god damn cookie
he desrves one
and recon armor

  • 11.16.2007 2:56 PM PDT

--Leader of the Clan of Wolves--

Mine>Banshee

I have one question though, I have lost a game in Team Slayer yet still gone up in Skill. How does that work?

  • 11.16.2007 5:04 PM PDT

Posted by: Druid Wolf 32
I have one question though, I have lost a game in Team Slayer yet still gone up in Skill. How does that work?
This was answered earlier in the thread. I can't remember what page though. Try skimming through the posts because the answer is there.

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I can understand this to a certain extent.

But, me and 3 buddies were playing TS, I started as a 44. We won 2 games and I got to 45. We kept playing for a few hours and ended up losing only 1 game out of 15 or 16, and I was still at 45.

I think that is a little ridiculous considering that I was doing consistently good the whole time, it's not like I can make myself be better as I go up each level.

Anyways nice guide it did answer alot of questions.

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  • 11.16.2007 9:16 PM PDT

Posted by: I_Cursed_I
I can understand this to a certain extent.

But, me and 3 buddies were playing TS, I started as a 44. We won 2 games and I got to 45. We kept playing for a few hours and ended up losing only 1 game out of 15 or 16, and I was still at 45.

I think that is a little ridiculous considering that I was doing consistently good the whole time, it's not like I can make myself be better as I go up each level.

Anyways nice guide it did answer alot of questions.


Pay attention. Individual performance has no bearing on skill level. the game could'nt care if you go 25-0 or 25-40, if you win you can go up just as fast as anyone. (I'm talking K/D spreads) And if you keep having these sprees such as 10+ game wins between losses you will surely rank up. but you need to do it more then just once.

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  • 11.16.2007 9:39 PM PDT

Posted by: TwoFaced1680
Posted by: Druid Wolf 32
I have one question though, I have lost a game in Team Slayer yet still gone up in Skill. How does that work?
This was answered earlier in the thread. I can't remember what page though. Try skimming through the posts because the answer is there.


I believe it has something to do with the conservative ranking system. but you need to ask Kafungus as to how it works. I just know about the Sigma and Mu and even that is hard enough :P

[Edited on 11.16.2007 9:44 PM PST]

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Posted by: SatansReverence
Posted by: TwoFaced1680
Posted by: Druid Wolf 32
I have one question though, I have lost a game in Team Slayer yet still gone up in Skill. How does that work?
This was answered earlier in the thread. I can't remember what page though. Try skimming through the posts because the answer is there.


I believe it has something to do with the conservative ranking system. but you need to ask Kafungus as to how it works. I just know about the Sigma and Mu and even that is hard enough :P


Absolutely right. When Sigma decreases, your rank can increase. Even if you lose. It's a by-product of the way the system ranks people. In layman's terms, it means that the system sees you playing more consistently, and because it thinks it has a better handle on your rank, it feels more comfortable giving you a rank closer to your peak skill level.

  • 11.16.2007 11:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: ten1zer7
Theres so many crammed in at 40-50 skill, you will just have to wait untill someone drops out of the top skill level, so the rest can squeeze in there.
Untill that time it might take a year or two to reach that level, you are moving up rank, but at a very very slow pace, if the 50 cap was removed you would see a big differance in everyones skill level.moving 10 times faster than now.

yuor completly wrong

  • 11.17.2007 1:03 AM PDT
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well this sure is useful..ive been stuck on level 29 for a while now and i want to get to level 30 so i can be a major and have a cool looking star..

  • 11.17.2007 1:45 AM PDT

Posted by: Derekk007
well this sure is useful..ive been stuck on level 29 for a while now and i want to get to level 30 so i can be a major and have a cool looking star..


Yea, until you reach a grade 2 major then you get idiots cussing you out because supposedly all grade 2 majors -blam!- suck.... even in a game with 3 colonels I raped when I went from 34 - 35 :)

  • 11.17.2007 3:59 AM PDT

I saw this in another thread and thought it should go here too. Ferrex is MP design lead for Bungie and also works on playlists. He answered some questions in the Optimatch forum so this is a C&P from one of his posts there.

Posted by:ferrex
First, there is a general matchmaking issue affecting parties of mixed skill levels, which slows (or halts) the progress of players in those parties. This is made worse in large teams, and doubly so in Social playlists were skill levels are not displayed. Top men at Bungie are investigating the cause for this issue (tentatively identified as an unintentionally vigorous guard against boosting exploits that were a problem in Halo 2) and effective fixes for it. All of our playlists will benefit from dialing this in, as soon as we feel good about the changes.

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well then i gues the main question is "how do i raise my sigma?" ive been stuck at lvl 20 for quite some time b/c after reading this thing, i guess its bc of my low sigma, so how do i raise it bc i do win like 5 games in a row and i dont lvl up, but i thought this was supposed to happen at higher ranks and i need to get to 30 in order to get major

  • 11.17.2007 6:56 AM PDT

Posted by: Jay120171
I saw this in another thread and thought it should go here too. Ferrex is MP design lead for Bungie and also works on playlists. He answered some questions in the Optimatch forum so this is a C&P from one of his posts there.

Posted by:ferrex
First, there is a general matchmaking issue affecting parties of mixed skill levels, which slows (or halts) the progress of players in those parties. This is made worse in large teams, and doubly so in Social playlists were skill levels are not displayed. Top men at Bungie are investigating the cause for this issue (tentatively identified as an unintentionally vigorous guard against boosting exploits that were a problem in Halo 2) and effective fixes for it. All of our playlists will benefit from dialing this in, as soon as we feel good about the changes.



Nice find. Have another cookie, this one is double choc :)

Hopefully after this gets fixed we can define the true formula for team games as opposed to free for all

  • 11.17.2007 6:56 AM PDT

Posted by: mcanadiensfan63
well then i gues the main question is "how do i raise my sigma?" ive been stuck at lvl 20 for quite some time b/c after reading this thing, i guess its bc of my low sigma, so how do i raise it bc i do win like 5 games in a row and i dont lvl up, but i thought this was supposed to happen at higher ranks and i need to get to 30 in order to get major


Firstly, I would suggest LoneWolves, this Sigma in it is easier to keep high.

But other then that, you need to win somthing like 5 games for every 2 losses, that would increase your Sigma and allow you to rise in rank faster.

  • 11.17.2007 6:59 AM PDT

Posted by: SatansReverence
Nice find. Have another cookie, this one is double choc :)

Hopefully after this gets fixed we can define the true formula for team games as opposed to free for all

Mmm, thanks! Just trying to keep all good info in this thread cause it rocks and explained a lot to me. It's still frustrating to see so many people post "Why am I stuck at 43" threads when it is all explained here.

  • 11.17.2007 7:03 AM PDT

Posted by: Jay120171
Posted by: SatansReverence
Nice find. Have another cookie, this one is double choc :)

Hopefully after this gets fixed we can define the true formula for team games as opposed to free for all

Mmm, thanks! Just trying to keep all good info in this thread cause it rocks and explained a lot to me. It's still frustrating to see so many people post "Why am I stuck at 43" threads when it is all explained here.


Agreed.

  • 11.17.2007 7:08 AM PDT
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If cats land on their feet and toast lands butter-side-down, what happens if you strap a piece of toast to the back of a cat and drop it?

Everyone that has ever posted a "Why do I go +100000 and still go down?!??!?111?!1" should be forced to read this post. Very helpful and more clearly explained than the MS explanation of TrueSkill.

I think a lot of people forget that Halo 3's ranking system is meant as a tool. It functions more effectively (than Halo 2's) at matching people of similar skill. Halo 2's system was more of a trophy than a tool.

Thanks again for the good post.

  • 11.17.2007 7:50 AM PDT
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If cats land on their feet and toast lands butter-side-down, what happens if you strap a piece of toast to the back of a cat and drop it?

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Posted by: Derekk007
well this sure is useful..ive been stuck on level 29 for a while now and i want to get to level 30 so i can be a major and have a cool looking star..


Yea, until you reach a grade 2 major then you get idiots cussing you out because supposedly all grade 2 majors -blam!- suck.... even in a game with 3 colonels I raped when I went from 34 - 35 :)


Some people are friggin retarded. It pisses me off when people judge other players by their rank. Glad you beat the colonels. Nothing is more satisfying than taking the smack talk and then killing them.

  • 11.17.2007 7:52 AM PDT

Posted by: waters
Posted by: SatansReverence
Posted by: Derekk007
well this sure is useful..ive been stuck on level 29 for a while now and i want to get to level 30 so i can be a major and have a cool looking star..


Yea, until you reach a grade 2 major then you get idiots cussing you out because supposedly all grade 2 majors -blam!- suck.... even in a game with 3 colonels I raped when I went from 34 - 35 :)


Some people are friggin retarded. It pisses me off when people judge other players by their rank. Glad you beat the colonels. Nothing is more satisfying than taking the smack talk and then killing them.


What was even greater was that the closest competitor was 7 points behind and I had the best K/D spread by a nice margin :)

And for the fun of it Ha Ha!

Turns out it was only 2 Colonels, but still them commanders run their mouthes aswell :P

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  • 11.17.2007 7:59 AM PDT
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Dang!, you surely deserve recon armor if bungie were to give it out! nice job keep up the good work for the community (n00bs) newbies! (and some idiotic 10 yr olds who complain about being lv 1 or what eva.....

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Wow great post. A few things a bit complicated but I got the main idea. Thanks a lot man.

  • 11.17.2007 9:47 AM PDT