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Subject: In depth explanation of the Halo 3 skill ranking system.

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Posted by: x Tigersfan x
Very well thought out, and very well organized. While I already had a decent grasp on this from Microsoft's website, tis could be the proverbial Halo ring against all 'My rank isn't moving' threads.

P.S. You can has Recon.


Recon is over rated.

  • 11.24.2008 7:29 PM PDT

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I think the system sucks, I won 15 games, lost 1, won 9 games, lost 2, won 12 games lost 1, won 11 games lost one. After a total of 47 wins and 5 losses, i went down a level.

I have won above 85% of my team doubles games, so my MTU should look good, and my sigma should be great because of the wins, but why doesnt my account go up?? (lvl48)

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edit: On my new account

[Edited on 11.25.2008 3:24 AM PST]

  • 11.25.2008 3:23 AM PDT
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Can someone please explain to me why I am 90-9 in team doubles on my new account with a 20 game win streak, and a 33 game win streak but yet I have just barely gotten my 45? When on my other accounts I can win two or three games and level up. Its stupid how I had about 50 exp and 3 losses and I was a 25 or something. Any ideas on that?

  • 11.25.2008 8:39 PM PDT

Finnish should either link us to his second account or not get one in the first place, and Matt should stop playing with level 30 sergeants.

  • 11.26.2008 4:36 AM PDT
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Why do we have to rely on players for this information and can never get information from Bungie?

  • 11.29.2008 6:45 AM PDT
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i have an idea to make the matchmaking simpler and it would cut down on both boosters and ppl who complain too much about the ranking system and then go off to play other games never to return to halo 3 : (
instead of the current ranked system bungie could put this instead
if u win a match u get a point
if u win really well u get 2 points
if u lose u lose a point
if u lose badly u lose 2 points
if u lose but make mvp u dont lose a point
if u win and make mvp u get 2 points
if u win well and make mvp u get 3 points
if you lose badly and get the lowest on ur team u lose 3 points

this would work flawlessly thus making sure u wouldent rank down after winning a few games and then losing one game. and u need a higher point thing to rank up to the higer levels
this would end boosting and instead of having to be teamed up with high levels to rank up u just have to win in a ranked matchmaking type

  • 12.03.2008 7:04 PM PDT

yes it would end boosting but it would also end ranks.
there is a reason that you go down after loseing 1 game off a 3 or w/e win streak.
you have to be good to be a high rank. if you change it to a straight forward points system it just becomes social with ppl who play like brigs or generals being matched with legit captains and majors just cuz they may not play as much and therefore have around the same points

  • 12.04.2008 12:16 AM PDT

Posted by: macosxfan
Why do we have to rely on players for this information and can never get information from Bungie?

http://www.bungie.net/images/Inside/publications/presentation s/gdc2008_butcher_chris_matchmaking.ppt
http://research.microsoft.com/osa/apg/details.aspx
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=1acc 9bf7-920d-477b-a7b1-4945b3cb04dd&displaylang=en&tm

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I see that why some people complain about that I'll see how it goes with me later! awsome thread no need to worry about this anymore!

  • 12.06.2008 3:04 PM PDT
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Thank you so very much i couldn't understand how i would get like five wins in a row and not even go up a level... It was irritating but i understand now, thank you again.

  • 12.06.2008 3:44 PM PDT
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nice! really well done

  • 12.07.2008 11:48 AM PDT
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Does someone want to explain to me why i have started at a level one on a new account, gone 43 games with only one loss, and am only a level 13? Its kinda frustrating, like should i just loose games on purpose or something?

  • 12.08.2008 12:42 AM PDT
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how bout this? u go up when ur winning and down wen loosing... 19 winning streaks n only up once is because us sucked 19 games previously... the skill is true to ur history... u cant say ur a 50 wen ur 45 (because im spawn locked waaa haaa)... it tells the truth cos its electronical it cant lie... instead a number showing ur skill, think of it in a way as a number that represents ur history......

  • 12.08.2008 5:36 AM PDT
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ok that makes alot of sense but when i made a new account for TS me and my friend won 100 games in a row and got a 44 then we lost 2 and went down to a 40 thats wat doesnt make sense to me

  • 12.08.2008 10:39 AM PDT
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i dont know how to explain it matt and finish my second account got a 50 in 22 games of doubles

  • 12.08.2008 10:45 AM PDT

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  • 12.08.2008 11:55 AM PDT
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Well i didnt suck for like 19 games or anything i won the first 35 games on my new account, loss one, then won the next 7 and am still only a 13. If it really wants to test my skill then shouldnt it be matching me up against stronger opponents to see if i should rank up higher? I just keep playing and owning level 13s over and over without going up.

  • 12.08.2008 6:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: what it do matt
Can someone please explain to me why I am 90-9 in team doubles on my new account with a 20 game win streak, and a 33 game win streak but yet I have just barely gotten my 45? When on my other accounts I can win two or three games and level up. Its stupid how I had about 50 exp and 3 losses and I was a 25 or something. Any ideas on that?
45 levels in 99 games? Sounds pretty quick to me. You can't only measure wins. The relative rank of your opponent is just as important.

  • 12.09.2008 5:23 AM PDT
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Nothing is wrong whit ranking system. If it would be easy to rank up everybody would be a general now.

  • 12.09.2008 6:25 AM PDT

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the system is confusing and absurd.needs to be fixed

  • 12.09.2008 6:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: The Demon Bear
i have an idea to make the matchmaking simpler and it would cut down on both boosters and ppl who complain too much about the ranking system and then go off to play other games never to return to halo 3 : (
instead of the current ranked system bungie could put this instead
if u win a match u get a point
if u win really well u get 2 points
if u lose u lose a point
if u lose badly u lose 2 points
if u lose but make mvp u dont lose a point
if u win and make mvp u get 2 points
if u win well and make mvp u get 3 points
if you lose badly and get the lowest on ur team u lose 3 points

this would work flawlessly thus making sure u wouldent rank down after winning a few games and then losing one game. and u need a higher point thing to rank up to the higer levels
this would end boosting and instead of having to be teamed up with high levels to rank up u just have to win in a ranked matchmaking type
that is what im talking about :)

  • 12.09.2008 6:19 PM PDT

Posted by: Galactic Doom
Posted by: The Demon Bear
i have an idea to make the matchmaking simpler and it would cut down on both boosters and ppl who complain too much about the ranking system and then go off to play other games never to return to halo 3 : (
instead of the current ranked system bungie could put this instead
if u win a match u get a point
if u win really well u get 2 points
if u lose u lose a point
if u lose badly u lose 2 points
if u lose but make mvp u dont lose a point
if u win and make mvp u get 2 points
if u win well and make mvp u get 3 points
if you lose badly and get the lowest on ur team u lose 3 points

this would work flawlessly thus making sure u wouldent rank down after winning a few games and then losing one game. and u need a higher point thing to rank up to the higer levels
this would end boosting and instead of having to be teamed up with high levels to rank up u just have to win in a ranked matchmaking type
that is what im talking about :)
Except if it took 40-49 points to be a level 4 and 30-39 was a level 3. You win 4 games to go to a 4 with 40 points. Then you lose one, drop to 39 points and back down to a level 3. Winning a large amount and gaining a level doesn't mean you not going to go down by losing the next one. You could be right on the cutoff point.

Anyway, the system mentioned here is very similar to H2's only not as good. If you don't take in to account the skill level of the players you beat or lose to, it doesn't really show your skill. Beating a lower skilled player is not skillful and should not be rewarded in my opinion.

The current system takes the skill of the players you beat in to account and therefor a better system than one which would not.

  • 12.10.2008 12:35 PM PDT

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they need to at least simplify it cause i win so freaking much and my freaking rank does not freaking go freaking up. i hope you get it

  • 12.10.2008 4:14 PM PDT
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Oh i love halo

  • 12.11.2008 2:18 PM PDT
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Some of this is just wrong. There is no way that it takes more wins from 1-20 than from 25-50. I have leveled up never losing a single game ranking up two levels at once but once I hit high 20's it slows down. It is definitely harder to go 49-50 than 29-30. I have won 25 games in a row on 49 and not gone up. Also, where does XP fit into all of this because I know for a fact that the more XP you have, the harder it is to rank up. They definitely make it progressively harder and they definitely make it harder for those with more XP. XP probably ups your sigma by changing your true skill value to higher than your Mu is.

  • 12.11.2008 5:00 PM PDT