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Subject: In depth explanation of the Halo 3 skill ranking system.

It's a shame it is against the rules to call you out on your rank, seeing as how the level you play at greatly affects the opinions you hold (on gameplay). Generally, if you are bad - Your opinions are wrong, and your argument is invalid.

GG

Some one please explain to me why I have not levelled up after winning 30 out of 37 on my Lone Wolves 47 (37 games from the moment I got it).

Those games Diverge into -

7 losses, categorized to:

1 - 6th Place Finishes
2 - 5th Place Finishes
4 - 4th Place Finishes

and 30 EXP finishes or wins with:

11 - 3rd Place Finishes
10 - 2nd Place Finishes
9 - 1st Place Finishes

So as you can see I have been fairly consistent in actually finishing in the position where you can rank up (top half in other words) and have an even spread of 1st to 3rd place finishes.

All of this data is collected the moment I ranked up to a 47. I am positive that on a new level, winning that many games would acquire you a rank up in almost any other playlist. On a side not, I never lost 2 in a row.

In 5 game segments this is how my performance was:

1. 3rd / 1st / 2nd / 3rd / 4th /
2. 3rd / 2nd / 6th / 1st / 3rd /
3. 3rd / 1st / 3rd / 5th / 3rd /
4. 3rd / 2nd / 5th / 2nd / 3rd /
5. 2nd / 4th / 3rd / 2nd / 2nd /
6. 1st / 4th / 1st / 3rd / 1st /
7. 1st / 1st / 2nd / 4th / 2nd /
8. 1st / 2nd /

Is the Lone Wolves playlist different in that it is FFA so the TruSkill is tinkered a bit? It is pretty frustrating to have just won a game and wait for countdown only to see that there is no change in my LW skill.

I'd be grateful if someone could reply to this intelligently.


[Edited on 09.06.2009 11:49 AM PDT]

  • 09.06.2009 11:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: AngryNinjaHippo
Some one please explain to me why I have not levelled up after winning 30 out of 37 on my Lone Wolves 47 (37 games from the moment I got it).

Those games Diverge into -

7 losses, categorized to:

1 - 6th Place Finishes
2 - 5th Place Finishes
4 - 4th Place Finishes

and 30 EXP finishes or wins with:

11 - 3rd Place Finishes
10 - 2nd Place Finishes
9 - 1st Place Finishes

So as you can see I have been fairly consistent in actually finishing in the position where you can rank up (top half in other words) and have an even spread of 1st to 3rd place finishes.

All of this data is collected the moment I ranked up to a 47. I am positive that on a new level, winning that many games would acquire you a rank up in almost any other playlist. On a side not, I never lost 2 in a row.

In 5 game segments this is how my performance was:

1. 3rd / 1st / 2nd / 3rd / 4th /
2. 3rd / 2nd / 6th / 1st / 3rd /
3. 3rd / 1st / 3rd / 5th / 3rd /
4. 3rd / 2nd / 5th / 2nd / 3rd /
5. 2nd / 4th / 3rd / 2nd / 2nd /
6. 1st / 4th / 1st / 3rd / 1st /
7. 1st / 1st / 2nd / 4th / 2nd /
8. 1st / 2nd /

Is the Lone Wolves playlist different in that it is FFA so the TruSkill is tinkered a bit? It is pretty frustrating to have just won a game and wait for countdown only to see that there is no change in my LW skill.

I'd be grateful if someone could reply to this intelligently.


Just because you get EXP does not mean 3rd place or higher is a win. True Skill evaluates you against each player in the game separately.

As you get into the upper 40's, matchmaking quality deteriorates substantially due to less available players. Though I did not go through your games, I guarantee you this is why is is going so slow. The trek from 45-50 in LW's is a long, painful process.

  • 09.08.2009 9:41 AM PDT
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Can you tell me where I can find my MU and Sigma?

  • 09.11.2009 1:59 PM PDT
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Can you tell me where I can find my MU and Sigma?


Only Bungie has that information. It is purposely hidden to avoid manipulation.

  • 09.12.2009 3:09 PM PDT
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I just played a game with higher ranked players and we won. I broke even with the kill/Death ratio and we won the game. When the game was over I lost a rank. Why did I rank down?

  • 09.12.2009 9:19 PM PDT

Alright does EXP have and inpact on your speed of witch you rank up. Look at my SWAT games I am a 48 and I have 130 exp and 5 wins on the 48 and they are all in a row and b4 i had thoes 5 wins I lost one and ranked down but then I won one more and ranked up so I should get my 49 like in 2-3 wins if I am not misstaken.

  • 09.13.2009 1:02 PM PDT
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L is beast.

can someone explain how my friend has won 66 out of 76 games in the MLG playlist and he's only a 20? makes no sense to me


and yes it was a new account with no games played previous

here's a link

he won his first 26 games and only went up to a ten.

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  • 09.13.2009 1:48 PM PDT
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Halo 3 was great before the new ranking system which is kind of dumb. It is sort of like COD.

  • 09.14.2009 12:57 AM PDT
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This is an excellent analysis of Halo's ranking system. However, something I'm still not quite understanding is this http://www.bungie.net/stats/playerstatshalo3.aspx?player=omgz orz im proz. As you can see, my friends and I have won 50+ games in the same playlist with one loss (and we had 39 wins in a row). However we are still level 15s! We don't want to continue to win game after game against people who obviously aren't as good as us, but I don't know what to do. Thoughts?

  • 09.16.2009 1:19 PM PDT

Posted by: mlwplayer21
This is an excellent analysis of Halo's ranking system. However, something I'm still not quite understanding is this http://www.bungie.net/stats/playerstatshalo3.aspx?player=omgz orz im proz. As you can see, my friends and I have won 50+ games in the same playlist with one loss (and we had 39 wins in a row). However we are still level 15s! We don't want to continue to win game after game against people who obviously aren't as good as us, but I don't know what to do. Thoughts?
Playing on new accounts with only the same teammates and no one else will make gaining skill almost impossible. If you guys split up and play 5 or 6 games with randoms and then team back up, you will gains levels much easier. When you only play with the same teammates for ALL of your games the system cannot judge your individual skill and gives you almost nothing for the wins.

  • 09.17.2009 9:21 AM PDT
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This post was very insightful, now I finally understand why my skill wont rise after winning 15 matches in a row.

  • 09.17.2009 10:04 AM PDT
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yo

  • 09.20.2009 4:35 AM PDT
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Halo 3 rank system is BS, i won 6 games in a row on my 41 with 7 exp and I didn't rank up then i lost 1 and ranked down like WTF bungie fix your ranking system!

  • 09.20.2009 2:03 PM PDT
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Yeah. Trueskill really really sucks. There should definitely be a ranking system geared more towards individuals, rather than team oriented. If I have 25 kills on Team Slayer, and the rest of my team has 6,4 and 2, and we lose, I should not rank down. I should rank up. I did good, my team did bad.
Plus, Lone Wolves completely sucks. 7 first places in a row to go up one rank. Yeah, that definitely is my true skill...
I don't see why there has to be some mathematical equation to figure out my rank. COD4's ranking system makes so much more sense.

  • 09.20.2009 2:13 PM PDT

Posted by: II Epyc II
Yeah. Trueskill really really sucks. There should definitely be a ranking system geared more towards individuals, rather than team oriented. If I have 25 kills on Team Slayer, and the rest of my team has 6,4 and 2, and we lose, I should not rank down. I should rank up. I did good, my team did bad.
Plus, Lone Wolves completely sucks. 7 first places in a row to go up one rank. Yeah, that definitely is my true skill...
I don't see why there has to be some mathematical equation to figure out my rank. COD4's ranking system makes so much more sense.
Well, team games are about the team, not your individual performance. I guess it is a matter of opinion on whether you should go up for losing a team game but I think you should not. I mean, do we really want people gaining skill for losing games?!?! That would make the skill levels even more meaningless and harm match quality a ton. The way TrueSkill works for H3 is the best possible solution for matching people based on skill that is available right now. Is it perfect, no but it is fairly good at setting up even matches IMO.

COD gives you credit for playing. You can lose, win, go negative, go positive and even be AFK for the whole game and gain "levels". That is not better than H3 MM. The only thing you can tell by your COD skill level is how many games someone has played. It gives you very little indication of how good someone is and COD matches and normally very unbalanced.

  • 09.21.2009 9:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: Jay120171
Posted by: II Epyc II
Yeah. Trueskill really really sucks. There should definitely be a ranking system geared more towards individuals, rather than team oriented. If I have 25 kills on Team Slayer, and the rest of my team has 6,4 and 2, and we lose, I should not rank down. I should rank up. I did good, my team did bad.
Plus, Lone Wolves completely sucks. 7 first places in a row to go up one rank. Yeah, that definitely is my true skill...
I don't see why there has to be some mathematical equation to figure out my rank. COD4's ranking system makes so much more sense.
Well, team games are about the team, not your individual performance. I guess it is a matter of opinion on whether you should go up for losing a team game but I think you should not. I mean, do we really want people gaining skill for losing games?!?! That would make the skill levels even more meaningless and harm match quality a ton. The way TrueSkill works for H3 is the best possible solution for matching people based on skill that is available right now. Is it perfect, no but it is fairly good at setting up even matches IMO.

COD gives you credit for playing. You can lose, win, go negative, go positive and even be AFK for the whole game and gain "levels". That is not better than H3 MM. The only thing you can tell by your COD skill level is how many games someone has played. It gives you very little indication of how good someone is and COD matches and normally very unbalanced.


It shouldn't matter whether my team loses or not. It should matter what I individually do. If I do really good and the rest of my team does really bad, I should not be penalized because my teammates performed poorly. I should be rewarded for playing a good game.

And COD does give you an indication of how good someone is. Infinity Ward made the smart decision to have in-game Leaderboards. That way you can see how long someone has played and how high their score, kills, wins, and accuracy is.

Now, If there was a game in the future that focused on individual performance as well as making it a challenge to rank up, then that would get rid of many of the flaws in either of these systems.

  • 09.21.2009 10:43 AM PDT
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I read the begining of this thread. So help me understand....

I have played a ton of Ranked matches (~450 games), and I have 259 exp points total. My Highest Skill lvl been stuck on 15 for the longest time. As a matter of fact, I am playing with a friend of mine (I played better than him, personal stat, which if I understand correctly is the not the way the system ranks your skill), but he got to lvl 20, but I am still stuck on 15.

What I am doing wrong....any suggestions on how to get my skill lvl higher please?

  • 09.24.2009 7:46 AM PDT
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i havnt played in a long while and i was hoping some one could message me on how to reset my rank with out loosing my achievments and with out loosing all my other unlockables the only reason why is because my skill level is way down and i kinda need to relearn my auto pilot for this game getting matched up with with people who i would previously have no problem playing with are now just beating the hell outa me

  • 09.26.2009 3:14 PM PDT

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I think the OP put together a masterful description of what's going on. I've been stuck in the 17-19 range forever. I win some, I lose some, and in the end, it comes down to the fact that I mathematically suck at Halo 3 multiplayer. The system is consistently putting me in games where I have a shot at winning and advancing, but I never play consistently well enough to get to 20 (and a nice shiny Captain star), but never consistently bad enough to drop down more than a rank or two.

In a way, I guess the system has sort of pigeon-holed me...I'm not good enough to beat significantly better (and therefore mathematically better) opponents, and matching me against inferior opponents to get me a win when I'm really struggling won't get me much, if anything in the way of advancement.

Unfortunately I often end up in games with people who are good individually, but don't wear their headsets, so they can't communicate to me why I suck and how I can help them get us a win. I suspect a lot of people in this thread who are complaining about not being able to rank up are some of the same people who don't wear a headset to tell people like me, who know how to play the game but don't know the strategy, how to help.

  • 09.26.2009 3:26 PM PDT

thank you for this im having a hard time getting to 50 that is why i made this account to try an easy 50 but i didnt i just played with friends and im suck on 41 still in team slayer i am prty low in doubles but i hear it is easyer in doubles do you have any info on that

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Hmm.... What I want to know is does Trueskill factor into individual playlists or your ranked matches as a whole? If the latter, do social matches have any effect on it?

So let's say player X is stuck on X ranked playlist and that player starts a different ranked playlist, Does Mu and Sigma start over from the original values or what?

  • 09.29.2009 1:32 AM PDT

Posted by: ThatNinjaUltima
Hmm.... What I want to know is does Trueskill factor into individual playlists or your ranked matches as a whole? If the latter, do social matches have any effect on it?

So let's say player X is stuck on X ranked playlist and that player starts a different ranked playlist, Does Mu and Sigma start over from the original values or what?
Yes, each list is separate, even social lists.

  • 09.29.2009 10:09 AM PDT
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So Rank Lock Technically exists, if you always play with the same people.

And basically, to rank up, Win.

Trueskill encourages AR beatdowns.

  • 09.29.2009 6:01 PM PDT

I can't write my signature on a computer... silly goose!

Yeah, no more whiners, thx.

  • 09.29.2009 6:29 PM PDT