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Subject: In depth explanation of the Halo 3 skill ranking system.

Posted by: I RekcuT I
I'm level 49. I've played about 70 games and have 48 exp i believe. I've been hoverring between 48 and 49 the last 30 games. At 49, I win 1 and stay at 49, lose 1 stay at 49, lose another move down to 48. Win 1, 49 again. Any way to tell how many wins it would take straight to get from 49 to 50? I'm at 49 again. Im figuring 2-3. jw
Not really since it is dependent on the skill levels of the people you beat.

  • 11.16.2009 6:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: Jay120171
Posted by: I RekcuT I
I'm level 49. I've played about 70 games and have 48 exp i believe. I've been hoverring between 48 and 49 the last 30 games. At 49, I win 1 and stay at 49, lose 1 stay at 49, lose another move down to 48. Win 1, 49 again. Any way to tell how many wins it would take straight to get from 49 to 50? I'm at 49 again. Im figuring 2-3. jw
Not really since it is dependent on the skill levels of the people you beat.


This^^

You could spend all day beating 40-48s on your 49, and the ranking system will not rank you up because it expects you to beat these players. But play a few games, and win, on guys all playing on their 50s and you are likely to get yours, because the ranking system figures 'he beats people of a higher skill, therefore he must be of a higher skill himself' and will rank you up.

  • 11.16.2009 6:25 AM PDT
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I made a new account and won my first 43 games straight, on SWAT... and only ranked to level 12... sucks huh??

how can that be.... lol

  • 11.16.2009 12:10 PM PDT
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Take a look at my doubles playing history I win and win only lost two games,and it takes me three to five games to rank up once.
Anyone care to explain?

  • 11.16.2009 1:08 PM PDT

Posted by: NightCrawler246
I made a new account and won my first 43 games straight, on SWAT... and only ranked to level 12... sucks huh??

how can that be.... lol
Are you only playing with the same teammates through all of your games?

  • 11.16.2009 1:22 PM PDT

Posted by: KarmzaRunsTrain
Take a look at my doubles playing history I win and win only lost two games,and it takes me three to five games to rank up once.
Anyone care to explain?
Both you and your partner play with a random for about 5 games then party back up.

  • 11.16.2009 1:24 PM PDT

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So it DOES take ingame player skills into account...

  • 11.16.2009 2:09 PM PDT

Posted by: Surma92
So it DOES take ingame player skills into account...
Player skill, yes. Individual player stats like kills, deaths, assists, flag caps or bomb plants, no.

  • 11.17.2009 6:20 AM PDT

Was level 49, won 4 straight last night was still 49 then lost. Got on today tied the first, won 1, lost 1, won 1 boom level 50.

  • 11.20.2009 4:38 PM PDT

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wow super informative

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  • 11.23.2009 2:15 PM PDT

If you fail on your first attempt, try cheating

if you are a 43 in LW, play with a high 30 like 38-39, but also play with 2 above you like 44-45, and you lose to the 38 but beat the 2 above you will you gain rank or loss it

  • 11.24.2009 1:01 AM PDT

dude your bull-blam!-. im a 15 in swat with my bro. we played against 20s all day. we played 65 games and lost 4today. we only ranked from 15 to 19 out of all our wins! its bull-blam!- we wont 10 in a row ddnt rank then lost 1 and deranked. next time have a formitable solution

  • 11.24.2009 9:57 AM PDT

Posted by: Swat xJACKSONx
dude your bull-blam!-. im a 15 in swat with my bro. we played against 20s all day. we played 65 games and lost 4today. we only ranked from 15 to 19 out of all our wins! its bull-blam!- we wont 10 in a row ddnt rank then lost 1 and deranked. next time have a formitable solution
Not sure who you're talking to but you were as high as a 22, then lost some and went down to 19, then won some and went back up. I don't see a string of 65 games in 1 day or a record of 65 and 4 in any 24 hour period. Unless you are talking about a different GT than the 1 linked.

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nice and informative the sub headings made so got to the part i didnt understand right away

  • 11.27.2009 2:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: Kn0t TiEd
I don't get it... based on this explanation, you are encouraged to play streakily so your rank can go up. But what if your a beast and win 300 games in a row? According to this explanation your sigma would be REALLY low making it almost impossible to rank up. But that makes no sense. If your undefeated you should be able to easily rank up since the system should know that your very good and won 300 in a row right? For example, i've played maybe 150 team slayer games and have only lost around 25. That puts my WP% around 84%. Shouldn't I be able to rank up easily? It seems like this system is designed to punish those who are good and win consistently. Thoughts?
i get what u r saying doesnt make sense

  • 11.27.2009 2:26 PM PDT

If you fail on your first attempt, try cheating

Thats one reason why the skill system is messed up. In TS I have won almost all of my games and got a 44 after 30 something games.I then lost 2 games and became a 41, i have won atleast 5 games in a row now and am still a 41. It seems rank ups are completely arbitrary and their is now defined ranking system

  • 11.28.2009 6:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: xGuiltySparkx
Thats one reason why the skill system is messed up. In TS I have won almost all of my games and got a 44 after 30 something games.I then lost 2 games and became a 41, i have won atleast 5 games in a row now and am still a 41. It seems rank ups are completely arbitrary and their is now defined ranking system

Well there IS a defined set of criteria that the ranking system follows. It's just that these criteria are not as obvious and straightforward as people might think, as evidenced by the OP.

  • 11.28.2009 6:52 PM PDT

If you fail on your first attempt, try cheating

how i would love to belive you, but I cannot rank up past 11 in squad battle and can still double rank at 30 in snipers

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I currently hate team ranked matches because you can be mvp and have a kill to death spread of +20, but loose skill level because your team is awful. This happens to me so many times its crazy

  • 11.30.2009 3:45 PM PDT

Why would the system be based on you're team's overall score when it's your skill that's being affected by it? If you end up carrying the team and lose by 5 points, why should your skill go down?

  • 12.03.2009 11:03 AM PDT

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Posted by: jellygraph
Why would the system be based on you're team's overall score when it's your skill that's being affected by it? If you end up carrying the team and lose by 5 points, why should your skill go down?

In team games, the TrueSkill is gauging your success/fail rate while playing in a team. Essentially, that's what your TrueSkill is: not your "skill" rating, but your ability to succeed relative to other players. In this vein, it's a measurement of your teamworking skills, not necessarily your individual skill.

Btw, skill is a term that simply refers to your capacity to succeed.

  • 12.03.2009 11:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: xGuiltySparkx
how i would love to belive you, but I cannot rank up past 11 in squad battle and can still double rank at 30 in snipers

Not exactly sure what you're getting at, but you have an isolated TrueSkill for every playlist. So not being able to get past 11 in Squad Battle but having a fluid rank at 30 in snipers is really saying nothing more than a statement of these facts.

However, do note that, in team games with bigger teams, you rank up and down slower because the same amount of skill points are distributed evenly among all players on a team. So, instead of distributing, say, 100 points among the four players on a Team Slayer team, it's distributing 100 points to six players on a Squad Battle team.

Everyone gets less pie because there are more mouths to feed. This may explain why you're ranking up slower in Squad Battle.

  • 12.03.2009 11:23 AM PDT

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ive won 25 games str8 no loses and i havent gone up my frined went from lvl one to lvl 42 and i havent gone up one time go check my games if u dont belive.


he deranked, giving him a high loose streak... he started winning games one after another, giving him a high win streak... you on the other hand did not derank to one or start on one, so therefore your streak was meager compared to his... thus he ranked up considerable where as you, with already some wins and some losses on your "streaks" kept you at the same level...

  • 12.03.2009 1:47 PM PDT
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Wow that is incredibly helpful. I always wanted to know why some people level game by game and why I level over several games.
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  • 12.03.2009 1:53 PM PDT

Posted by: HaveyDewlett
Wow that is incredibly helpful. I always wanted to know why some people level game by game and why I level over several games.
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fix'd but why spam if you fail?

  • 12.03.2009 2:40 PM PDT