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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: cortana 5
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Posted by: cortana 5
Unless you had 100,000 moderators, you couldn't keep track of the 1 million members' actions in order to reward them. Many of those who deserve the reward, would never be recognized.
Because a higher status with greater responsibilities would entail some kind of familiarity with both reading and posting in the forums, I think that it is a safe assumption that the vast majority of deserving individuals would be relatively frequent posters and thus somewhat identifiable. For this reason, I am not convinced that your post is true. But even if it is, is that a reason not to do it?

Well, it just wouldn't be fair. I mean, say 100 members get the title, but there are like 50 more who deserved but the staff didn't get to see their records. That would kinda suck to be one of those 50 members. After helping out members/newbies, contributing to posts, ect. it would suck to not be recognized for you hard work.
Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: cortana 5
Many of those who deserve the reward, would never be recognized.


But everyone who would deserve said reward isn't getting it now. At least with such a system there's a possibility.

At risk of sounding geekish, was it not Dr. Halsey who said "I can't save everyone, but at least I can save someone." I think it was something on the lines of that.

After reading that, my opinion has been swayed a little. That's a really good point there.
Cool! By the way, you can bet that there would be a lot of complaints if something like this were implemented, no matter what the method of choosing these members might be. I can foresee lots of people posting that they should have been chosen because they made such-and-such a post, or helped so-and-so with something. These complaints would be annoying, much like the complaints from the Friends & Family Halo 3 Beta, the complaints when those two guys were chosen to get the Recon armor, or the complaints that occur every time new moderators are chosen from the regular member population.

But then again, people complain about every single change that occurs on this website. They also complain when things stay the same. Can't do much about that.

*sighs*
*realizes that he needs a strong alcoholic drink*
*logs off Bnet for the time being*

[Edited on 11.13.2007 6:10 PM PST]

  • 11.13.2007 6:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: cortana 5
Well, it just wouldn't be fair. I mean, say 100 members get the title, but there are like 50 more who deserved but the staff didn't get to see their records. That would kinda suck to be one of those 50 members. After helping out members/newbies, contributing to posts, ect. it would suck to not be recognized for you hard work.


Well of course the selection wouldn't be a one-time-only thing, it'd defeat the purpose if it wasn't. My whole point of view on this issue is to get two birds with one stone. First, good members are rewarded. Second, not-as-good members have something to work towards, like a role-model thing. If non-selected members couldn't achieve the status at all after the first selection, then why would they consider changing?

That's a hypothetical question. Don't feel obligated to respond.

  • 11.13.2007 6:10 PM PDT

Posted by: prometheus25
I guess, Foman, that I agree with you. Nothing more than flagging abilities, and possibly a title, should be given.

There's one thing that I just can't get over, though. In the real life, people obey laws because there are valuables that can be lost: money (fines), time (jail), life.

However, not having any elitist structure is a double-bladed sword. There is no value to an account. If we adamantly go against any form of holding one member to a higher value than another, people are simply going to see their accounts as dispensible, as they can start over from scratch with the same abilities that they had and were ever going to get.
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1. People who have been here more than a few months DO value their account. It not only gives them access to their stats and Xbox live account, a lot of us are proud of our ID's and would be sad if we couldn't use them anymore. The people who don't care about their ID's also wouldn't care about some sort of class system or senior member priviledge. So using this as a way to get people to behave is incorrect.

2. People will act the way they act, regardless of whether it would mean losing something as trivial as flagging threads or their ID saying "Senior Member." BTW, that sounds like an old fart, and if I was assigned that role, I would give it back immediately. I don't need to be reminded I'm old.

Not one mod nor Achronos has posted on this thread saying this is a good idea. Doesn't that tell you guys everything you need to know?

  • 11.13.2007 6:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: atomic weggie
[Not one mod nor Achronos has posted on this thread saying this is a good idea. Doesn't that tell you guys everything you need to know?


Tells me that they either disagree or they opt out of answering for sake of unwanted repercussions, which I'd agree with (especially with Achronos).

As far as the other points you made, they are completely valid.

  • 11.13.2007 6:50 PM PDT

Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: atomic weggie
[Not one mod nor Achronos has posted on this thread saying this is a good idea. Doesn't that tell you guys everything you need to know?


Tells me that they either disagree or they opt out of answering for sake of unwanted repercussions, which I'd agree with (especially with Achronos).


If you were a ninja, would you want the added responsibility for something like this? "Oh I'm already overworked and underpaid, now I get to sift through hundreds of flagged threads per day and have to annoint another 50 people their Senior Member designation, as well as look into another 25 people who are abusing their flagging priveledges?"

I'm sorry, but it's just a bad idea. I will never be in favor of holding up one segment of our community higher than another.

  • 11.13.2007 6:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: atomic weggie
[Not one mod nor Achronos has posted on this thread saying this is a good idea. Doesn't that tell you guys everything you need to know?


Tells me that they either disagree or they opt out of answering for sake of unwanted repercussions, which I'd agree with (especially with Achronos).


If you were a ninja, would you want the added responsibility for something like this? "Oh I'm already overworked and underpaid, now I get to sift through hundreds of flagged threads per day and have to annoint another 50 people their Senior Member designation, as well as look into another 25 people who are abusing their flagging priveledges?"

I'm sorry, but it's just a bad idea. I will never be in favor of holding up one segment of our community higher than another.


They already get a ton of PM's essentially reporting threads. With a flagging feature, they will be able to go through things a lot more easily, if it is how I picture it. I don't really know whether or not it will add work, because I don't know how many PM's they get now, and I don't exactly know how a system like this would work. But, I really think a flagging feature would be good for the few threads that get overlooked by the mods, and it would make it much easier for them to see the bad ones, without having to continually read PM's.

  • 11.13.2007 7:06 PM PDT

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Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: atomic weggie
If you were a ninja, would you want the added responsibility for something like this? "Oh I'm already overworked and underpaid, now I get to sift through hundreds of flagged threads per day and have to annoint another 50 people their Senior Member designation, as well as look into another 25 people who are abusing their flagging priveledges?"

I'm sorry, but it's just a bad idea. I will never be in favor of holding up one segment of our community higher than another.


Funny. All of the moderators I have talked to said they really aren't overworked, and that we are simply over-reacting to just how much spam there really is. Surem we see it often, but they can't get to it immediately. Some drift to the second page, only to be brought up at a later time. The flagging could prevent this, and, staying with your hypothetical "If I were a ninja..." scenario, I would not only use, but appreciate, a feature that would highlight threads that have been giving problems before I had logged on.

If moderators have to "look into 25 people who are abusing their flagging priveledges", then it's the fault of the person who appointed them, not the fault of mine for suggesting the idea.

It's fine if you think it's a bad idea; you won't lose much if you don't risk anything, but you won't gain much either. I'm sur e there was at least one person who didn't like the idea of making a futuristic FPS about space rings and zealous aliens on a brand new system.

  • 11.13.2007 7:11 PM PDT
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Hmmm. I don't like this idea. This is from a totally selfish perspective, but I really don't want to suggest or approve members for something like this. There is potential for abuse on our end (the ninjas), since some of us would likely promote our friends without giving it a second thought. That may not be a bad thing exactly, but I still have a problem with it. I usually try to be objective, but I'd have a hard time doing it if this were implemented. Even if we did not approve people for this, we'd likely have to be relied on to suggest who should be rewarded, and the same problem exists in my mind.

I really don't want people breathing down my neck in order to be approved for "senior status" anyway. Be they friends or strangers, I would CONSTANTLY get PMs asking if I could add them or how one is added to that user group. I don't know about you, but I get enough straight PMs reporting things, just chitchatting, or asking how one does this or that. I really don't need the added distraction. I'm here to moderate and interact with the forums, nothing more. I've been having a hard enough time logging in lately, but if I had 20 more PMs a day asking about the senior status thing, I'd probably end up logging in even less. Again that's not exactly a bad thing, but I have my own selfish problems with it.

Giving people incentive to behave is usually a good thing, but there could be bad consequences. I always try to look at the pros and cons, and I then make my decision from there.

PRO: Special titles etc. give members incentive to behave.

PRO:People with special titles etc. can assist in keeping an eye on the forums, and continue to report violations to the ninjas.

CONS: There really is a capacity for abuse here. I honestly wonder if I'm talking to different people sometimes. I know that most of you are indeed different people, but that worry is still there. Alts are a MASSIVE problem on this site, and I simply can't bring myself to trust most of the people I see on this site.

CON: Sometimes elitism is a valid point to bring up. Elitism exists, and we have all experienced it in some way. This feature would at least cause cries of elitism were it to be implemented. If those accusations were untrue, no big deal. If they were true, I think we have a problem. How then do we deal with this problem? And on that note, how would they be selected in the first place? As I said earlier, I'd like to recuse myself from the selection process, if it were to work like the model I imagine it would have to use.

CON: What aside from a special title and possibly a custom avatar would "Senior members" or what have you get? A report feature? I think giving everyone a report feature would be a much better decision than giving it to only a select few. If everyone can report things (with a potential failsafe which would punish those who abuse it) we'd get a lot more done than if only a "trusted" few had it. Anything else?

With that, and the selfish reasons I mentioned earlier, I see no need for this to be implemented. If someone can come up with something solid which would answer some of those questions, I might reconsider. Until then, I'll adhere to the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" doctrine.

  • 11.13.2007 7:25 PM PDT

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I AM A PROUD CHRISTIAN. HALO IS AWESOME BUT GOD IS MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!
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remeber that there is a rule thatif you ask to be a mod you are not going to be a mod ( achronos said that) the same can be inplented here remeber evilcam that youwas once a normal member and then without notice and without asking you became a mod I think the same thing could be applied here.
I was thining in this ranking as being very rare to achive and only to very special members that are just an example of being good members for example rewarding them but not giving them any kind of special power like blacklist , this would also give a reason to become a good member.
Most people envy mods becuase of their custom avatars thats one of the reason everry day someone asks how to be a mod daily.

  • 11.13.2007 8:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

I don't know why any of you are posting in this thread since your opinions don't matter. But since I'm a Webcam MVP, mine does obviously. I mean, I've used the fact that I'm a Webcam MVP countless times in arguments. And every time the other person has wet themselves upon seeing that I am, in fact, a Webcam MVP.

Regarding the change in behavior between my pre/post Webcam MVP status, it hasn't changed it at all. I was a sarcastic jerk before...and I'm still a sarcastic jerk now. Don't see the problem.

~B.B.

  • 11.13.2007 9:01 PM PDT

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Forums are for discussion, not rankings. Ranks just skew the point of the forums. The forums are here for good, qualitive discussion and arguments. Ranks just do something to people that isn't natural. Come here, Post Here, Have fun here, but don't ask for ranks.

  • 11.13.2007 9:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: Zee JollyRoger
Forums are for discussion, not rankings. Ranks just skew the point of the forums. The forums are here for good, qualitive discussion and arguments. Ranks just do something to people that isn't natural. Come here, Post Here, Have fun here, but don't ask for ranks.

Agreed. We've had no ranks since 2001 (I think). Why are we so suppressed without them now?

  • 11.13.2007 9:08 PM PDT

The bible is the best book Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: Zee JollyRoger
Forums are for discussion, not rankings. Ranks just skew the point of the forums. The forums are here for good, qualitive discussion and arguments. Ranks just do something to people that isn't natural. Come here, Post Here, Have fun here, but don't ask for ranks.


that would be cool unfortunately we have the halo 3 forum....

  • 11.13.2007 9:09 PM PDT

"I pledge to punch all switches, to never shoot where I could use grenades, to admit the existence of no level except Total Carnage, to never use caps lock as my "run" key, and to never, ever, leave a single BoB alive."

2B || !2B - Why don't you look Inside the Machine?

We have ranks, we are members. Join dates were taken away because people would tell others to, forgive the lingo, "GTFO" because they joined a few months before making a topic. It still happens today, except, people have to take the extra effort of viewing someones profile. Silly nonsense that children take too seriously. Play nice and post nicer.

  • 11.13.2007 9:10 PM PDT
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So now I'm a beta tester. Let's see where this goes.

At the very least a minimal amount of recognition would be a welcomed change. Even if it meant having a title like "Respected member" as appose to just "Member." It would be virtual a pat on the back for playing by the rules. What could be the harm in that?

  • 11.13.2007 9:23 PM PDT

"I pledge to punch all switches, to never shoot where I could use grenades, to admit the existence of no level except Total Carnage, to never use caps lock as my "run" key, and to never, ever, leave a single BoB alive."

2B || !2B - Why don't you look Inside the Machine?

Posted by: Nedge
At the very least a minimal amount of recognition would be a welcomed change. Even if it meant having a title like "Respected member" as appose to just "Member." It would be virtual a pat on the back for playing by the rules. What could be the harm in that?


The thing is who respects a respected member? This shows that someone high above has shown gratitude and has given out a favor for a good member. Not bad alone, but people can't seem to understand that people are rewarded by behavior and good posting content here. Achronos has his system in place, running in the background quantitatively evaluating us. Be good or the Soul will come for you.

[Edited on 11.13.2007 9:35 PM PST]

  • 11.13.2007 9:35 PM PDT
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So now I'm a beta tester. Let's see where this goes.

Posted by: Zee JollyRoger
Posted by: Nedge
At the very least a minimal amount of recognition would be a welcomed change. Even if it meant having a title like "Respected member" as appose to just "Member." It would be virtual a pat on the back for playing by the rules. What could be the harm in that?


The thing is who respects a respected member? This shows that someone high above has shown gratitude and has given out a favor for a good member. Not bad alone, but people can't seem to understand that people are rewarded by behavior and good posting content here. Achronos has his system in place, running in the background quantitatively evaluating us. Be good or the Soul will come for you.


My point is simply this: we know that there is a system in place for punishing the bad members so how about rewarding the good ones?

You also wrote as if some members have already been rewarded. Would you please offer an example?

  • 11.13.2007 9:43 PM PDT

"I pledge to punch all switches, to never shoot where I could use grenades, to admit the existence of no level except Total Carnage, to never use caps lock as my "run" key, and to never, ever, leave a single BoB alive."

2B || !2B - Why don't you look Inside the Machine?

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Posted by: Nedge
At the very least a minimal amount of recognition would be a welcomed change. Even if it meant having a title like "Respected member" as appose to just "Member." It would be virtual a pat on the back for playing by the rules. What could be the harm in that?


The thing is who respects a respected member? This shows that someone high above has shown gratitude and has given out a favor for a good member. Not bad alone, but people can't seem to understand that people are rewarded by behavior and good posting content here. Achronos has his system in place, running in the background quantitatively evaluating us. Be good or the Soul will come for you.


My point is simply this: we know that there is a system in place for punishing the bad members so how about rewarding the good ones?

You also wrote as if some members have already been rewarded. Would you please offer an example?


I'm sure there is something going on. In due time people will probably be rewarded. Things just take time.

  • 11.13.2007 9:54 PM PDT
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So now I'm a beta tester. Let's see where this goes.

Posted by: Zee JollyRoger

I'm sure there is something going on. In due time people will probably be rewarded. Things just take time.


Well maybe now they will since the idea is out there, but judging from the tone in coming from the distinguished persons that have posted I'm betting they won't. Which is a shame because it’s a good idea.

[Edited on 11.13.2007 10:09 PM PST]

  • 11.13.2007 10:08 PM PDT
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What I would like is, based on length of membership, members get access to new avatars and profile customisation and titles and such. I think that promotes good behaviour and devotion to the community.
As for those saying "omg elitism!", I would be willing to wager my recon armor on the fact that most of you post in The Septagon because you consider regular posting here as 'above' posting in say... The Halo 3 forum or Flood.

Elitism is just a buzz term in this place now - people used to call it 'incentive' or 'motivation'. We play games which promote a hierarchy based on digital symbols and ranks but we all seem to shudder at the very mention of 'special members'.


Not that I agree with custom text colours and avatars and uploaded images and all that jazz (I think that would make these forums absolute hell to naviagte and moderate) but I am totally for a little more distinction between the masses.

  • 11.14.2007 12:15 AM PDT
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And the Shadow fell upon the Land, and the World was riven stone from stone. The oceans fled, and the mountains were swallowed up, and the nations were scattered to the eight corners of the World. The moon was blood, and the sun was as ashes. The seas boiled, and the living envied the dead. All was shattered, and all but memory lost, and one memory above all others, of him who brought the Shadow and the Breaking of the World. And him they named Dragon.

Just promote me and shut the hell up.

  • 11.14.2007 5:29 AM PDT
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As for those saying "omg elitism!", I would be willing to wager my recon armor on the fact that most of you post in The Septagon because you consider regular posting here as 'above' posting in say... The Halo 3 forum or Flood.
On the same note, would you consider the Septagon to be more sane and civil than the H3 forum or flood?

I'm for some kind of good membership incentive though. I'm not exactly sure what would be reasonable or not, but some freedom with profile customization/avatar customization would be nice.

  • 11.14.2007 6:02 AM PDT
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Posted by: Zee JollyRoger
Forums are for discussion, not rankings. Ranks just skew the point of the forums. The forums are here for good, qualitive discussion and arguments. Ranks just do something to people that isn't natural. Come here, Post Here, Have fun here, but don't ask for ranks.

Agreed. We've had no ranks since 2001 (I think). Why are we so suppressed without them now?

Exactly, these forums have been running just fine without rankings. There's no point to them at all, this forum is just for discussion. I can see it now, Senior Member only chapters, forum wars between rankings. Posts saying "The Senior Member has posted, you're just a member. We don't care about your opinion." Hell they do that already with join dates and moderators. It's just stupid and unnecessary.

To Pezza, yes they can promote good behavior and such but we don't have that big of problems to use ranks as a reward for being good posters. I mean look at this thread for example, I don't see much idiocy. Being blacklisted is already a good reason enough to post well. The reason there is so much idiocy in the Halo 3 Forum is because they don't care. They obviously don't care about getting blacklisted which completely stops them from posting on the forums.. well I don't think they'll care about getting some rank under their username.

[Edited on 11.14.2007 6:17 AM PST]

  • 11.14.2007 6:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pezz
What I would like is, based on length of membership, members get access to new avatars and profile customisation and titles and such. I think that promotes good behaviour and devotion to the community.


I agree. Sure, in a utopia people would behave by themselves, but this isn't that kind of society; far from it, actually. Anything to tell people that we reward good behavior is good, within reason, of course.

As for those saying "omg elitism!", I would be willing to wager my recon armor on the fact that most of you post in The Septagon because you consider regular posting here as 'above' posting in say... The Halo 3 forum or Flood.

I suppose I'm guilty of this. While I'm not saying those that contribute to the Septigon are above others, but I really enjoy this kind of discussion over that of other forums. I'm a dramatic, so it's this heated debate that I adamantly participate in.

Elitism is just a buzz term in this place now - people used to call it 'incentive' or 'motivation'. We play games which promote a hierarchy based on digital symbols and ranks but we all seem to shudder at the very mention of 'special members'.

I'd agree with this. Life is full of ranks and hierarchy. You have teachers, parents, bosses, bullies, and people you just generally look up to. These people are above you to some varying degree or another of importance.

Not that I agree with custom text colours and avatars and uploaded images and all that jazz (I think that would make these forums absolute hell to naviagte and moderate) but I am totally for a little more distinction between the masses.

Agreed. Titles could be pushing it, and nothing else publically visible should be had.

  • 11.14.2007 9:39 AM PDT

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Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
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Posted by: Dr Cox
I can see it now, Senior Member only chapters, forum wars between rankings. Posts saying "The Senior Member has posted, you're just a member. We don't care about your opinion." Hell they do that already with join dates and moderators. It's just stupid and unnecessary.


I don't see that at all! If those that are selected only those that are, then they'd be responsible enough to not be egged on by that kind of bull-blam!-. We have members try the same crap with the mods and admin, they don't fall for it, and many of them are the same age as many members here.

  • 11.14.2007 9:42 AM PDT