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Subject: A complaint about Halo 1..........for once.
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I'll give my little input here...

* The Pistol was not the default weapon. The Plasma Pistol was.
* The Pistol was only overpowered if you knew how to use it.
* The Battle Rifle is not the pistol, but it's the closest thing to it. 4 burst kill, 2x scope.
* A Good pistol user can kill a rocket. But could a good Plasma Pistoler?
* SMGs suck. SMGs + Grenades do not.
* It doesn't take skill to fire a locked on rocket. It takes skill to not get hit by it.
* The Battle Rifle won't always win against duals. Because it is a midrange weapon.

I think that covers most of the arguments.

>> Kritz

  • 02.01.2005 2:57 AM PDT

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Moral of the story: Gauss Hog for President.

Kritz, I would have to disagree with a few things you said. The Pistol is the default weapon on many maps such as Rat Race, Hang 'Em High, Boarding Action, and Sidewinder. And it is also the default if you play Slayer Pro. The pistol is overpowered for any player. Just because one player isn't as skilled, that doesn't mean its not overpowered (ei if they get lucky you still die in 3 head shots). A good pistoler can kill a rocket, but a good rocket kills everyone, even the good pistoler. The Battle Rifle doesn't have to be zoomed to kill with 4 bursts (I've done it). And Battle Rifle is good in any situation, even against DWing, when you are good with it (just like the old pistol).

  • 02.01.2005 9:25 PM PDT
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O.o hehehe

  • 02.02.2005 9:15 AM PDT
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i dont like dissin any of them but i think that without the pure pistol with the scope we can no longer enjoy the origonal halo pistol and shotty combo but hey maybe in the illusive halo 3 the pistol will be back to its old sniping self again

  • 02.03.2005 12:34 PM PDT
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have any of you tried sniping a rocket shot ?it can be done ! if accurate and quick enough you can actually slightly alter the course of the rockets rendering them harmless(to you anyway)

  • 02.03.2005 12:38 PM PDT

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Score: 39 Spree: 16 Deaths: 8 Medals:17 (8 Doubles, 2 Triples, 1 Killtackular, 4 Sprees, 1 Riot, 1 Rampage) Accuracy: 46% Head Shots: 9
Moral of the story: Gauss Hog for President.

awkragt2, I totally agree with you about the new variety of fighting Halo 2 provides. That is one of the main reasons I started this thread, because so many people where complaining about Halo 2, but no one realized how monotonous Halo 1 could get if everyone was good with a pistol. Halo 2 expanded on a great idea, great combat, and great graphics. Halo 2 gives you more choices and therefore your style of play can change ever day, game, or even ever minute. In Halo 2, I hardly stick to one weapon combo, unlike in Halo 1 where everyone would rush for the pistol (if they didn't already start with it) and the shotgun (the most powerful weapon, for its size, in the game). Halo 1=pistol/shotgun gunplay; Halo 2=variety.

  • 02.03.2005 2:26 PM PDT

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Moral of the story: Gauss Hog for President.

richcricketz, if you are agravated by the PP/BR combo, use it. I play Halo 1 with two different groups of people; one group despises all cheap weapons and tricks such as the rocket launcher and power-ups, the other group goes for the rocket right away and hordes power-ups. I played so long with the first group during the school year (the power-up haters) that I eventually started to hate people whoring out on the rocket and powerups. When you run around the level with a rocket overshield and invis, and get a killtacular it drives me crazy. So over the summer when I went back home, I hated how my second Halo circle played. They made me so mad, because they would get the rocket and yell and me for complaining about their dishonorable tactics. I had to become a whore to beat them, because no matter how good a person is with a pistol, he can't beat a person who is good with both a pistol and a rocket. What I'm trying to say is there are essentially two types of Halo (or really any game) players: the whores you use cheap tricks, and those with honor. You have to change your playing style to compete sometimes.

Just resort to using their tricks and they will either stop, or it will even itself out. I hated the PPBR trick until I figured out how to do it like a pro. For those you don't know, you get 2 weapons : plasma pistol, and Battle Rifle. You charge your PP and orb your target, then even before the orb hits your target switch to the BR and start shooting at his head. If you start shooting immediately after you release, the first shot from the BR should kill your target. It is quick, effective, and very horrible.

I guess this rant was to tell people to be whores. You have to look at human nature; people will do anything to win when they are behind or really driven, so you have to do anything to keep up. Just start using the combo, it is cheap, but you will win.

  • 02.03.2005 2:38 PM PDT

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Score: 39 Spree: 16 Deaths: 8 Medals:17 (8 Doubles, 2 Triples, 1 Killtackular, 4 Sprees, 1 Riot, 1 Rampage) Accuracy: 46% Head Shots: 9
Moral of the story: Gauss Hog for President.

welcometohell, they probably wont put the old pistol back into Halo 3 because it was so overpowered. If you are good with it, that is all you use, and there was no variety of gameplay when people did that. They will probably leave it like the new D version. They might add a scope on special versions, but it still won't be too powerful. If you like the old pistol, try using 2 Magnums, it is just as accurate, but doesn't have a zoom.

  • 02.03.2005 2:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: gamingfreak200
rofl skill hahah what skill does it take to kill someone by duel weilding,...none,what skill does it take to kill some one in one hit with a sniper rifel or beam rifel,....none,what skill does it take to lock on to a warthog and get an instant triple kill absoulotly none.and swords are the same just hide in a corner and wait for someone to come by then kill him in one hit if you call that skill then your crazy.

Posted by: centinela
In terms of gameplay value and reward for skill.



You're an idiot. Think of Halo 2 like this. The Halo series was designed to be a realistic shooter. It's set in 2552, think of it that way. Don't think of it like it is a game set with the current reality. If you have common sense at all, you would know that technology would be much more advanced in 2552 than it is now. Think of how much we've advanced in the past 100 years. They've had more than 500 years. On the note of reality, you shoot anyone in the head in real life with almost any gun, they die. Stop complaining about no health system. Also, a pistol the most powerful weapon in the game? Get a grip! Do you think that even in 2552 that they will have pistols with almost undeniable accuracy, absolute power, and overcome a shotgun weilder? Think again!

Let's think of pistols. Do you realize how hard it really is to get an accurate shot with a pistol in real life? Almost every rifle weilder will kill a pistol user in real life. THINK OF IT! IT'S A FRICKING PISTOL!

  • 02.03.2005 2:49 PM PDT

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Score: 39 Spree: 16 Deaths: 8 Medals:17 (8 Doubles, 2 Triples, 1 Killtackular, 4 Sprees, 1 Riot, 1 Rampage) Accuracy: 46% Head Shots: 9
Moral of the story: Gauss Hog for President.

Thanks for putting gamingfreak in his place Vasheeth. I tried to argue my points with him, but he still kept complaining, I guess he is just a Halo 2 hater/Halo 1 fan boy.

  • 02.03.2005 2:53 PM PDT
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Your a stupid idiot loser. I hate you, halo 2 owns. So there B1otch!

  • 02.03.2005 10:35 PM PDT

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Moral of the story: Gauss Hog for President.

Lt, who are you referring to? Who is a loser, and why do you hate him or her? I hope you're not referring to me because I love both Halo games for different reasons.

  • 02.05.2005 9:11 AM PDT
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Halo1 was kinda dumb, everyone just used sniper rifle, rocketlauncher, and pistols...

  • 02.05.2005 8:07 PM PDT

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Yeah, Halo and Halo 2 are impossibly great, yet they're there. I love them both, but it annoys me when people who are afraid of change get unreasonable. I mean, a pistol, A SNIPING WEAPON? Let's just think about that for a bit. Maybe, in Halo 3, they'll have a better BR that truly combines the Halo 1 Pistol and the Assault Rifle. I mean, single shots in zoom and fully auto out of zoom. That would be more realistic because it's a rifle. To those of you, yes I can see it coming, who say that how would the gun know when you're in zoom, here is my reply to that. Think of it that there's a button on the gun that switches between semi-auto and auto. A lot of real guns have that even now.

  • 02.08.2005 2:57 PM PDT

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Score: 39 Spree: 16 Deaths: 8 Medals:17 (8 Doubles, 2 Triples, 1 Killtackular, 4 Sprees, 1 Riot, 1 Rampage) Accuracy: 46% Head Shots: 9
Moral of the story: Gauss Hog for President.

Vasheeth, you are right about one thing, many real rifles nowadays have a toggle to fire in different amounts. But you say that you want a rifle that toggles between full-auto and single shot -- that never happens. Rifles are too powerful to fire at full-auto in the standing position. In fact many rifles don't even come with an automatic mode. Most are triple shot burst, and single shot. So to say that you want a rifle with unzoomed full auto in the standing position that switches to a sniper type weapon when zoomed is to ask the impossible. If anything (and most unlikely), Bungie will bring back the single shot zoom with the triple shot unzoomed burst. A rifle that does what you are asking would be overpowered and would get the best of all other weapons on the map. It would be Halo 1 all over again, the new BR would become what the old pistol was: the only weapon to use.

[Edited on 2/8/2005 6:35:42 PM]

  • 02.08.2005 6:34 PM PDT
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hmm you know ive heard alot of this, and here is what i have concluded. there are many people that simply did not learn how to use the pistol and is obviously dominated the game. halo 1 is a game of subtlety and acute skill. halo 2 is one of controlled chaos and mayhem. call it what you want, one is for noobs, the others for players.


oh and box monster, you have no clue what youre talking about. talk less

[Edited on 2/8/2005 11:16:42 PM]

  • 02.08.2005 11:14 PM PDT
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I can't believe that this stupid thread is still alive. His complaint was retarded and illegitimate. Just let this die. For the love of all that is good. Please.

  • 02.09.2005 2:42 AM PDT
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H1 sucked

  • 02.09.2005 7:16 AM PDT

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Score: 39 Spree: 16 Deaths: 8 Medals:17 (8 Doubles, 2 Triples, 1 Killtackular, 4 Sprees, 1 Riot, 1 Rampage) Accuracy: 46% Head Shots: 9
Moral of the story: Gauss Hog for President.

I would tend to disagree nacky. You say that Halo2 is controlled chaos, but I would contend that it is merely the same as Halo1 with more weapons/combinations. Halo1 always ended in a massive brawl in the center of the level with everybody's AR blazing, and that is the same as Halo2 (except there are DWable weapons). Ignorant people tend to think that Halo1 was dominated by skill and Halo2 isn't, when in reality both are games that require a great level of skill. Halo1 players used the pistol to dominate, Halo2 players can use the battle rifle. Trust me, a good BR user is just as good as a good pistol user. Both games require tactics, accuracy, stealth, and courage. Neither is more "controlled" than the other, and both require skill. I do have a question for you, how many people do you play Halo1 with, 4? With any more than 6 in most levels it IS controlled chaos; surviving is the skill (and it is the same for Halo2). Subtley and acute skill, huh? Try playing it with more than just that guy that you pay to be your friend.

[Edited on 2/9/2005 11:50:28 AM]

  • 02.09.2005 11:41 AM PDT

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Score: 39 Spree: 16 Deaths: 8 Medals:17 (8 Doubles, 2 Triples, 1 Killtackular, 4 Sprees, 1 Riot, 1 Rampage) Accuracy: 46% Head Shots: 9
Moral of the story: Gauss Hog for President.

It is still alive for a reason Peck, people believe I am on to something. Halo 1 was, I hate to insult Bungie, a cheap game. And, yes, we all do love it, but it was nonetheless cheap. Pistol and shotty were always the two weapons of choice, and there was very little discrepancy between the playing style of good players. Now, in Halo 2, people can play many different ways, because there are more combinations, and more tactics to chose from. No one goes for that one weapon, unless it is the sword (but there is only one of them). The variety in gameplay has increased so much from the pistol-sniping/shotty-weilding days of yore. You aren't looking at the real information present; in other words, you are just a Halo 1 fan boy who was disappointed with change.

[Edited on 2/9/2005 11:48:03 AM]

  • 02.09.2005 11:45 AM PDT

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Terminal, Multi-Team Slayer BR
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Score: 39 Spree: 16 Deaths: 8 Medals:17 (8 Doubles, 2 Triples, 1 Killtackular, 4 Sprees, 1 Riot, 1 Rampage) Accuracy: 46% Head Shots: 9
Moral of the story: Gauss Hog for President.

Spyke, H1 didn't suck, but I would say that the variety in fighting styles/tactics was lacking.

  • 02.09.2005 11:46 AM PDT
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I would say the same as BoxMonster. You can still dominate in Halo 2, but if anything it requires MORE skill to do so. Also, I think Halo 2 requires alot more strategy than Halo 1. And in any heavily strategical game, the person with more skill may not always win. Take football, for example. For often than not, games can be determined by examining each coach's playbook before the game even begins. I think there alot of Halo players out there who feel they are getting screwed over because they play like Daunte Culpepper- all skill, no brains. People need to start playing like Peyton Manning- he's very skilled, but he also has a brain between his shoulder blades.

  • 02.09.2005 11:56 AM PDT

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Score: 39 Spree: 16 Deaths: 8 Medals:17 (8 Doubles, 2 Triples, 1 Killtackular, 4 Sprees, 1 Riot, 1 Rampage) Accuracy: 46% Head Shots: 9
Moral of the story: Gauss Hog for President.

Thank you Patawan for seeing what the enlightened see -- skill in both games.

  • 02.10.2005 5:00 PM PDT
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still.....as overly powerfull as it was, and unrealistic,and whore like the halo1 pistol was, i was soooo glad they had it in some of those levels.Like on the library, once my friend dared me to play it with only the pistol and AR.I was like "NO WAY MAN, THATS SUICIDE!" but then he said hed give me five dollers ,sooooo i accepted it of course, and i tried it.....and supriseingly......it wasn't that hard......i just aimed for the head, and looked hard for ammo.

  • 02.10.2005 7:14 PM PDT