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Subject: Watch films right on Bungie.net please

I'm sad that I don't get to remake my halo 3 symbol. no bubble shield :(

Poll: Want the ability to watch Saved Films right on Bungie.net?  [closed]
Yes please:  86%
(18 Votes)
No:  14%
(3 Votes)
Total Votes: 21

I would love to have a youtube esqe kind of thing where you could look at the films instead of booting up the xbox and having to watch it in theater. You could remove the options like changing angles, that wouldnt be a big deal.

  • 11.16.2007 11:14 AM PDT

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you would need to run an emulation program on the B.net servers to emulate the halo 3 engine PLUS the xbox 360 O/S to run the halo 3 engine.
Then you have to make it so millions of people can use it at the same time.

I dont think bungie has server the size of texas to run all that.

[Edited on 11.16.2007 12:28 PM PST]

  • 11.16.2007 12:27 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
There is no way to "play" a saved film on a PC and see it as video.
Currently, no.... But I suspect that it is not outside of Bungie's capabilities to design their own player that would read game data and output video on a PC.

One can only hope.

  • 11.16.2007 12:46 PM PDT
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It won't ever happen. 'Saved Films' are just game data, not video files.

  • 11.16.2007 12:46 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
It won't ever happen. 'Saved Films' are just game data, not video files.
That's a pretty bold statement.

  • 11.16.2007 12:50 PM PDT

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  • 11.16.2007 1:00 PM PDT
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It can be done...

  • 11.16.2007 1:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: webb90
It can be done...


not the same thing

they want to watch any and all save films that exist at any time

  • 11.16.2007 1:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: PKF_647
Posted by: webb90
It can be done...


not the same thing

they want to watch any and all save films that exist at any time


It can't be done...

  • 11.16.2007 1:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: Big Black Bear
Posted by: Duardo
It won't ever happen. 'Saved Films' are just game data, not video files.
That's a pretty bold statement.
It's also correct.

  • 11.16.2007 1:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
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You could remove the options like changing angles, that wouldnt be a big deal.
Based on what a saved film is (it isn't a movie file), no you can't "remove the options" and yes it is "a big deal".

Imagine that you have the original script for "Return of the Jedi". It describes everything that is supposed to happen in the movie. Just like there is no way to take the text of the script and simply "play it as a movie" on your PC, there is the same problem with a saved film file.

In order to turn a script into a movie, you need sets, actors, props, costumes, cameras, sound effects, and so on. Similarly a "saved film" from Halo 3 contains the events that occur, but they need the models, textures, animation, sound effects, etc., all of which are contained in the Halo 3 program.

There is no way to "play" a script and watch it as a movie. There is no way to "play" a saved film on a PC and see it as video.

I think it'd be cool to be able to watch something similar to the game viewer play out the saved film. Maybe through flash, I don't know. Not a programmer, but it seems like it could be done (not easily, mind you...).

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

I would like to have this feature. I also would also like to have Jessica Alba alone in my bedroom with some rubber tubing, four silk scarves, a goat, a fire extinguisher, a roll of toilet paper, two 50-gallon drums of chocolate pudding, a slip-n-slide, sixteen cans of silly string, a high-quality video camera, and a maraschino cherry.

But I don't think either one is gonna happen :-(

not yet, anyway......

  • 11.16.2007 2:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
I would like to have this feature. I also would also like to have Jessica Alba alone in my bedroom with some rubber tubing, four silk scarves, a goat, a fire extinguisher, a roll of toilet paper, two 50-gallon drums of chocolate pudding, a slip-n-slide, sixteen cans of silly string, a high-quality video camera, and a maraschino cherry.

But I don't think either one is gonna happen :-(

not yet, anyway......


you forgot the cheese grater

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
I would like to have this feature. I also would also like to have Jessica Alba alone in my bedroom with some rubber tubing, four silk scarves, a goat, a fire extinguisher, a roll of toilet paper, two 50-gallon drums of chocolate pudding, a slip-n-slide, sixteen cans of silly string, a high-quality video camera, and a maraschino cherry.

But I don't think either one is gonna happen :-(

not yet, anyway......

But it's not impossible. Bungie knows how to interpret saved films because they wrote Halo 3's engine. All it would take is a different engine to interpret the data in saved films. It would even be possible to have a flash program run it in 3D.

Yeah, nobody expects it and it would be really cool to have. But it's not impossible. I'm sick of people defending Bungie by making it seem like programming is magic. This is possible, nobody expects the Halo 3 engine to be run in a browser but saved films could be run in low-fi, and that would count as watching them.

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I think it's highly unlikely this would happen, much as I like it. I think the closest thing we'd ever see (and this is probably years off) is an option to export a clip to a pc video-codec from within H3 and share that on bnet. This would probably take a lot of programming genius on the part of bungie. The only real option is a capture card at the moment.

  • 11.16.2007 2:54 PM PDT

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Bungie still has the network data and definitely has the means to interpret it through another engine. People who expect Halo 3 in their browsers are on crack. But a flash equivalent if the Game Viewer is hardly impossible...

  • 11.16.2007 3:54 PM PDT

What is this I don't even

While this is completely feasible, I think it would be too much system work. Bungie (or whoever hosts this site) would need a helluva lot of 360s or just some servers with crazy video bandwidth that could render the coordinate data ("movie"), compress, and host for hundreds of thousands of users. Personally I think someone should start a project to further integrate Vista/360, so that your 360 can output actual video to your PC for youtube or such.

I think Bungie does enough for us with the incredible stats, and screenshots (which still make me fear for their throughput) for Halo 3.

Heck, I think Flash is reaching the point where it could start rendering some crazy 3D stuff through the player...

[Edited on 11.16.2007 8:30 PM PST]

  • 11.16.2007 8:29 PM PDT
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Well we should at least be able to watch clips. If we could tour maps and edit gametypes online that would be awesome too.

  • 11.16.2007 8:39 PM PDT
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They should be. I mean wouldnt it take up less space? And besides, if they were video files we could watch our saved films (maybe not edit) online or on our xbox without putting in the game disk.

  • 11.16.2007 8:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: destructerator
While this is completely feasible, I think it would be too much system work. Bungie (or whoever hosts this site) would need a helluva lot of 360s or just some servers with crazy video bandwidth that could render the coordinate data ("movie"), compress, and host for hundreds of thousands of users. Personally I think someone should start a project to further integrate Vista/360, so that your 360 can output actual video to your PC for youtube or such.

I think Bungie does enough for us with the incredible stats, and screenshots (which still make me fear for their throughput) for Halo 3.

Heck, I think Flash is reaching the point where it could start rendering some crazy 3D stuff through the player...

You're looking at it the wrong way. It really shouldn't be a matter of trying to view saved films in your browser exactly like you would in Halo 3. That's absolutely ridiculous and nobody in their right mind is expecting Bungie to find a way to emulate Halo 3's engine running on the 360 through Internet Explorer.

What would be extremely cool is a lower quality, more efficient engine that browsers can handle. Even something only displaying our avatars moving through levels from various angles. No, it wouldn't be flashy but it would allow for objective game analysis much like sports plays are, all from the convenience of your computer.

Your last line is right on the money. With flash, I feel that even a basic 3D representation would be possible. The biggest strain I see this causing (other than development) is bandwidth, since people will be streaming game data all the time through Bungie.net. But hey, this is the flagship Xbox 360 title, right?

Posted by: UltimatePikachu
They should be. I mean wouldnt it take up less space? And besides, if they were video files we could watch our saved films (maybe not edit) online or on our xbox without putting in the game disk.

No, Saved Films take up less space than a video of them would. There's no graphical data in saved films, just game data for the engine to associate the graphics to. Video support/hosting from Bungie would be ridiculous for them to maintain.

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Man you people really drink the marketing koolaid. What they can't just read the Xbox 360 framebuffer and create an mpeg from it? Come on, its called programming. They just want everyone to buy Xbox 360s.

  • 11.16.2007 10:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: dicen2
Man you people really drink the marketing koolaid. What they can't just read the Xbox 360 framebuffer and create an mpeg from it? Come on, its called programming. They just want everyone to buy Xbox 360s.


Are you actually an idiot, or do you just play one on the internet?

They don't need to convince people to buy an Xbox -- anyone that would be affected by this already HAS an xbox and Halo 3.

And they could obviously make a film from Halo 3 easily. Uploading, hosting, and passing that file around would be difficult, however, for any videos larger than youtube quality.

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Posted by: dicen2
Man you people really drink the marketing koolaid. What they can't just read the Xbox 360 framebuffer and create an mpeg from it? Come on, its called programming. They just want everyone to buy Xbox 360s.


Are you actually an idiot, or do you just play one on the internet?

They don't need to convince people to buy an Xbox -- anyone that would be affected by this already HAS an xbox and Halo 3.

And they could obviously make a film from Halo 3 easily. Uploading, hosting, and passing that file around would be difficult, however, for any videos larger than youtube quality.


Ya, the Internet never gets faster. Wait. Isn't Youtube doing to HD now? What is Bittorrent? Hmmm... My 768Kb uplink can handle it just fine. Plus I can download at 8Mb.

But, ya. This is a purely technical problem. Profit (ala business) has nothing to do with it.

Note to world, this is why Techies haven't seen a salary increase in 10 years. If you got your lunch money stolen in grade school, and you are still getting screwed now, maybe you should get another career.

  • 11.17.2007 7:11 AM PDT

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