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Posted by: II DuRbiN II
everyone gets off topic halo 3 sucks all the maps they have now suck all the weapons suck the game is a piece of S-h-i-t mouth me all you want but they screwed up and these new maps are gonna suck too yay! lets make more huge maps that cant possibly be fun competitively god bungie is retarded


now thats goin to far, and seriosly, watch the language its called -blam-

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  • 11.20.2007 2:44 PM PDT
Subject: Heroic Map Pack Announced for Halo 3

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That's cool that new maps are coming out, but will the new update that will come with the new maps fix some of the problems, such as the Commando shoulders that no one seems to be able to unlock? Or will more problems pop up?

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  • 11.20.2007 3:01 PM PDT

Jason Jones of Bungie famously said of Halo 2 that: "it's Halo 1 on fire going 120 miles per hour through a hospital zone chased by helicopters and ninjas. And the ninjas are all on fire too." As a sequel, Halo 2 couldn't quite live up to that extravagant claim.

Sweet!!!!

  • 11.20.2007 3:02 PM PDT

Posted by: ACRaven
That's cool that new maps are coming out, but will the new update that will come with the new maps fix some of the problems, such as the Commando shoulders that no one seems to be able to unlock? Or will more problems pop up?

It's Downloadable Content and changes to the playlists (which is server-side), it's not a patch or update to the game engine.

  • 11.20.2007 3:06 PM PDT
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If foundry is a remake of Hang em High i'm going to be pissed...But at least Standoff and 1/3 look cool....

  • 11.20.2007 3:14 PM PDT
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*REVISED MESSAGE BECAUSE WHEN I WROTE THE ORIGINAL I LEFT A FEW THINGS OUT*

AM I THE ONLY PERSON THAT FEELS THAT THESE MAPS SHOULD BE FREE!?!?!? FIRST OFF A YEAR AGO I PAYED FOR MY LEGENDARY EDITION OF HALO 3 WHEN IT WAS STILL SELLING FOR $100. THEN IM FORCED TO PAY AN EXTRA $30 WHEN IT RELEASED. THEN I GET THE GAME PLAY IT AND THE CAMPAIGN WAS GREAT BUT THE MATCHMAKING IS KINDA LAME. NOT FOR THE GAMEPLAY PHYSICS SO MUCH BUT BECAUSE YOU PLAY THE SAME THREE OR FOUR MAPS ON EACH "HOPPER" AND THE STAGES ARE TOO CLOSE TOGETHER OVER AND OVER ACCOMPANIED BY THE SAME VARIANTS. I WAS QUITE DISAPPOINTED BY THE LACK OF DIFFERNT CHOICES AS FAR AS THE "HOPPERS" GO. BRING BIG TEAM BACK TO A RANKED PLAYLIST AND ADD SOME MORE OPTIONS LIKE AN ALL INFECTION HOPPER OR A HOPPER CONSISTING OF ALL PLAYER EDITTED MAPS AND VARIANTS AND CHANGE THE PLAYLIST FOR THE PLAYER EDITTED HOPPER MONTHLY SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE A FRESH VARIETY OF MAPS AND VARIANTS TO PLAY AND SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE THEIR MAPS PLAYED BY THE MASSES AND GET SOME FEEDBACK. ALL IN ALL I'M JUST SAYING THAT "SOME" OF THE NEW MAPS NEED TO BE FREE WITH THE VERY LIMITED SELECTION OF MAPS THAT WERE GIVEN WITH LAUNCH FOR A HIGH PRICE. I KNOW THAT WHEN HALO 2 WAS STILL HOT I WAS ON TOP OF EVERY MAP PACK THAT CAME OUT AND BOUGHT THEM WITH LITTLE HESITATION FOR LESS THAN WHAT THESE MAPS ARE BEING SOLD FOR. DOES ANYONE AGREE WITH ANY OF THE STATEMENTS I HAVE MADE? PLEASE COMMENT!!!

ON A SCARIER NOTE...IF WE KEEP LETTING THESE GAME MAKERS UP THE PRICES AND LOWER THE PRODUCT QUANTITY WHO KNOW WHAT WE WILL BE PAYING THE NEXT GO ROUND. OR THE ONE AFTER THAT. JUST THINK THE MORE YOU ACTUALLY PAY FOR THIS STUFF THE MORE THEY WILL DO IT AND THE LESS THEY WILL GIVE YOU. I REMEMBER HALO 2 COMING OUT WITH A SMORGASBOARD OF MAPS ON ITS LAUNCH AND THE MAPS THAT THEY RELEASED AFTERWARD COST SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN WHAT BUNGIE IS CHARGING FOR THESE MAPS. YEAH THE MAPS ARE BETTER QUALITY AS FAR AS GRAPHICALLY BUT COME ON WHO OUT OF US DIDNT PAY MORE THAN $60 BUCKS FOR THE GAME ALONE. IN MINE AS WELL AS OTHERS CASES OVER $130 FOR THE MEMORABILIA?

  • 11.20.2007 3:18 PM PDT

Playing Halo Reach to Drum and Bass.

No they just said you could go into forge and make it like hang 'em high not that it's a remake. Everyone one is getting their panties in a bunch about this and it costs ten dollars. Boo hoo wait till Spring you insignificant -blam!-s. I'm sure microsoft had alot to do with the 10 dollars for these maps but just remember if you don't get them you're not going to suffer in matchmaking so get over it and if you don't like it you're just going to have to change your -blam!-s and walk away.

  • 11.20.2007 3:22 PM PDT

Ditch the caps.

And that's what reviews are for, so you know if a game is worth its price tag. Inform yourself and refuse to buy the game if it's not up to your standards. If you're unhappy with the pricing of games then stop buying them, that's the only way a company might take notice. If you just complain but they don't see their sales drop they'll just ignore the griping (and rightly so, as they are in the game to make a profit). No one can help you but yourself, so be a smart consumer.

  • 11.20.2007 3:24 PM PDT
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Im going to like rat's nest more than others.

Dont know why

  • 11.20.2007 3:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Foxsnipe
Posted by: ACRaven
That's cool that new maps are coming out, but will the new update that will come with the new maps fix some of the problems, such as the Commando shoulders that no one seems to be able to unlock? Or will more problems pop up?

It's Downloadable Content and changes to the playlists (which is server-side), it's not a patch or update to the game engine.

Well, that answers my question, but makes me ask another: Will there BE a patch for Halo 3, or will the Commando's armor set be incomplete forever?

  • 11.20.2007 3:32 PM PDT

I'll start off by saying I'm a pretty loyal bungie fan, I played Halo: CE and Halo 2 (multiplayer) to death. When bungie released new maps for Halo 2 back in the day, I paid for them without hesitation. I believe they were priced fairly. Now 10 dollars is not a lot of money, I could spend 10 dollars in a heartbeat nowadays but thats not the issue here for me. Sure I can easily buy these maps, money is not really a huge problem for me, or at least 10 measly dollars isn't, but I gotta say I'm on the fence about this reguardless. I feel 10 dollars is a little overpriced for only 3 maps, add 1 more map to the list and I'd feel much better about spending the 10 dollars. But seriously everyone needs to calm down, if you think its to much money, don't buy them, if you don't care about the money, then go ahead and buy them. This topic needs to be put to rest, its obvious that the bungie community is now practically split in half with one side buying the maps and the other side not. It's sad to see this but I can totally understand both sides. Like I said before I do feel the maps are overpriced somewhat, but at the same time 10 dollars really isnt that much money. I don't know if I'm going to buy them or not, I'm just gonna wait until bungie gets back from their break and address this issue. I don't believe the price will be lowered or any maps will be added so it's useless to continue arguing about this any further. I'm sure i'll get flamed for this and thats fine, everyone is entitled to their opinions, just dont expect me to get into a war with you about this since I better things to do then argue about something that is not really a big deal to begin with. It's up to all of you to make a decision, buy them or don't, it's that simple.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hetiMZ6segs
Bungie, please re-make all of the good Halo 2 maps, the Halo 3 maps are all right not as great as a masterpiece the Halo 2 maps were. In fact the Halo 2 maps make the Halo 3 maps look dull, boring and very bad. I mean Halo 3 is a masterpiece as well, but there is one thing wrong with it, and that is the maps are not as fun and replayable as the Halo 2 maps. There are a couple of good Halo 3 maps like Last Resort (Zanzibar), Sandtrap, Valhalla, Guardian, etc. But they are no Coagulation, Relic, Ascension, Terminal, Containment, Headlong, Sanctuary, Lockout, Ivory Tower, Beaver Creek, Turf, Foundation, Burial Mounds, Midship, Gemini, Colossus, Warlock, Desolation, Tombstone, Elongation, and even Waterworks. All these maps were epic, and I played them for 2 years straight and did not get tired of them at all. Then we have the Halo 3 maps, which I've gotten bored of in 1-2 months, and so have most of the people I know of.

If I were to summarize how the Halo 2 maps are better than Halo 3 maps, then it would be as simple as this, Halo 2 maps were like summer and Halo 3 maps are like winter, I like summer better, it's funner.

  • 11.20.2007 4:00 PM PDT

Dear god, they've added more maps! You mustn't let penny-pinching keep you from experiencing the rush of the battle! Certainly, they may be expensive. But they will almost certainly be some of the greatest yet! Why would you allow stingyness to bar your entertainment?! (No, I'm not being paid by anyone to say this. Why do you ask?)

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  • 11.20.2007 4:05 PM PDT
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I Hate you bungie, but I love you at the same time. These maps look awesome(and i'll definitely get them) but I'm not a fan of you ripping me off.

  • 11.20.2007 4:08 PM PDT
Subject: Heroic Map Pack Announced for Halo 3

Posted by: syco saga
this thread is full of so many retards that its ridicules

Posted by: Foxsnipe
More like some of us just dont' care about the price because we can easily make up for it through some other means.

How many times does it have to be said, if you don't like the maps or the cost, then wait for spring. It's not going to kill you. I'm sure you all waited for the Gears maps as well (I did, mostly out of lost interest in the game). Be happy they'll be free at all later on.


Just because somebody doesn't care that they're being taken advantage of doesn't mean they aren't still being taken advantage of. If you can justify spending $10 on stuff that was supposed to be included in your original purchase, be my guest. The economy relies on people who foolishly spend their money; it's what keeps it going.

Believe me, I fully intend on waiting until the spring. I'm in no rush for additional content and have more than enough self-control to wait it out. That doesn't worry me in the slightest. I just feel bad for all those people out there who cannot see this for what it really is. It's not a matter of sophistication of design, but rather smart business. And, as we all know, smart business thrives off the ignorance of its consumers.

  • 11.20.2007 4:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: Doc Holiday K
Sadly...My Excitement Was Already Spoiled By Xbox.com...So Technically...I Knew Before Avid Bungie.net Goers...

Bungie...I Love You.

PS. Front Page #12

To Resolve Some Issues

Here's The Facts.

1. Halo 2 Maps Were Cheaper.


2. $10 Is Quite A Bit To Ask.
3. The Maps Weren't That Great For Halo 3.

But Here's The Factual Answers...

1. It Takes Alot More Coding And Time To Actually Make A Map In Halo 3 Than It Took For Halo 2. And The Maps Were IDEAS Before They Were Even Made...Which Is Why They Weren't On Halo 3 Prior To Its Release...(With An Exception To Standoff And Even Then They Said It Wasn't Playable Due To Time Constraints).

2. You Don't Have To Pay For These...Just Wait...It's Not Necessary To Keep Posting "OMG RIPOFF BUNGIE N00b!1!" They Said It Will Be Released In Spring 2008...Just Wait And You Can Keep Your Minimum Wage. Bungie Is Not Forcing You To Buy The New Maps...This Is Why They Discussed In Their Post That They Are Gradually Going To Change The Maps In Matchmaking...Not All At Once Like In H2. Not To Mention Microsoft Gets Some Of The Proceeds...For Those Of You That Claims Bungie Has Multi Billion Dollar Accounts...It Doesn't Go Directly To Bungies Pocket...Get It? Microsoft Points? And Because Of The Merger...Microsoft Took Half Of The Gross Income...That's How Mergers Work...You Need To Understand Economics Before You Can Even Start To Understand How The World Works.

3. Sure The Maps Weren't Great...But You Can't Do Alot About Time Constraints When They Spent So Much Time Making The Ability Of Recording Videos And Posting Them On The Net. ---A Rebuttle To This Would Be..."Then Why Not Just Wait On The Release Of Halo 3?"
-Simple Answer...There Was Already Too Much Money Spent On Promos...Not To Mention Bungie Had To Have A Deadline Because Of Microsoft...Remember The Merger? Obviously Microsoft Only Wanted Bungie For Halo 3 And Then Once That Was Over Wanted To Split...And Now Bungie Can Do Their Own Thing.

Hopefully This Will Resolve Some Of The N00b Reposts...Of "OMG cheap!11"



Finally someone who makes a little bit of sense. I hate it when people blame Bungie for the high prices. It's Microsoft people. Bungie just makes the game, they probably don't have much control over pricing. The only thing I disagree with in this post is that he doesn't like the maps that came with Halo 3. I love them.

  • 11.20.2007 4:19 PM PDT

money is everything?? ........
So:
Dear Bungie,

I would pay $50 for a freakin patch.......

Please dont leave Halo... try to save its life live.... don´t let it going down....

Please..

yours faithfully
a halo fans who would try to catch halo if its fallin

  • 11.20.2007 4:47 PM PDT
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They should remake most of the Halo 2 maps

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  • 11.20.2007 5:07 PM PDT
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Guys can we please just talk about the good side to the maps for a change
Can we go to the satalite dishes on Stand off

  • 11.20.2007 5:10 PM PDT
Subject: Heroic Map Pack Announced for Halo 3

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Stand up for what you believe in, I remember reading too.

I am standing up, so dont tell us to stop complaining. Maybe 10$ is great for you, but its not for me and I am not going to do it, and I am not going to do it everytime someone says it cost MS points to buy something. Enhance my gaming experience from out of the multibillionaire jackass who has the money to do it for everyone at least 10 times. I am standing up by complaining about it right here i am standing up and say I dont believe in it. For everyone who says they are fine with this and what not thats great but theres more people out there who arent seeing this that wont touch, We know what would win. Lack of support for this is the only route. But then bungie will probually come back and lie saying that xbox live has had its big download ever for gaming content. Cause you know what that will be crap, cause no game compares to Halo Universe.

You are not standing up, you are making a ruckus that is grossly unneccessary. People are turning this into the civil war instead of the Montgomery Bus Boycott. No one even forced you to play the game online, that was your own choosing. Halo 3 is quite an enjoyable game with campaign and local co-op alone; remember the days when that's all we had? You can't expect everything for free (don't even bring Sony/PS3 into this, each company can do what it wants with its service).

(This is directed at no one in particular)
You will not win by making a scene. The only way to force change is to refuse to give-in, by not buying the goods. Mouth off to Bungie/MS all you want, in the end it won't hurt them in the least. The only way to hurt a company is to refuse to buy their goods or go to a competitor. That's what the free market is all about.

I say again, if you feel ripped off, then wait. Waiting for Spring will not cause your death. If you can't wait, then go find a temporary job to get the $10. If you protest on the principle, then again, don't buy it.

There is no reason for this selfish display of whining, kicking and throwing a tempter tantrum the community has shown. Get over it, life isn't fair. Either buy the map pack, wait, or don't buy it at all. It's your decision, now make it without complaining like a 4 year old.


Today its 10$ for 3 maps, Tomorrow its 15$ for 3 maps. No one needs to keep purchasing crap to enhance a game that cost almost 70$ to begin with. No one. Period. Go on marketplace for your games played go through and look how much it would cost you to enhance only the games you play right now quite often. IT would wipe you clean, for what a couple hours out of your day. Not right.
That argument is what's called the fallacy of slippery slope. Prove to me the price will be greater the next time around and without justification (i.e. the resources put into the product). I bet you can't. Get a better argument.

No one is forcing you to buy any of the content. It's there for those that want it, otherwise, ignore it. Do you see me buying cars for PGR? No, because it doesn't interest me, nevermind the thought I'm sure people have that they should be included free (or where on the PC they are released seperately free). You have no right to get anything you want from these companies. They are providing you a service, whether you wish to take it or not is up to you. Just because it exists does not entitle anyone to it.


Foxsnipe, I have to say that your defensive view is quite narrow.

Nobody held a gun to my head and made be buy any of the Halo games, or the 360, or any of the stuff off of the Marketplace. I chose to do it because I am a fan of video games. I love the Halo franchise.

However, I think there is a larger issue here that gamers need to be wary of. Companies--especially Microsoft--are taking advantage of our love for gaming. Now it's not enough for them to make a profit the old fashioned way by creating a product that people want and offering it for a reasonable price. The new business model is to squeeze every penny out of us that they can. It goes beyond good business into the realm of ridiculous greed and gross disrespect for the ones that make it possible for companies like Microsoft and Bungie to exist in the first place. I think this is a dark time for gamers. Sure, some games may be better than anything we've played before, but it's also costing us more than ever before. This can't go on forever and I fully expect there to be a crash before the next generation or shortly there after. That crash will not be good for those of us that love gaming.

People have every right to complain right now and voice their concerns/resentment. Bungie talks a lot of community. The creation of this "community" of dedicated fans may just be another way to insure cash flow for Bungie, but it actually means a lot to fans. Honestly, I think we deserve better. The bottom line is Bungie is a business and they need to make money, but they are making plenty of that right now and they have us to thank for it. I don't think they should take advantage of us by over-charging for maps--and they are over-charging because $10 is 1/6 the price of the full game that took them three years to make. Don't tell me it took 1/6 of the development time and money to make these three maps. They don't even have to press any disks. It doesn't equate.

More than anything else, I feel really disappointed right now. I want there to be many map packs for Halo 3, but I also don't want to be a mindless sheep that gives Bungie and Microsoft free access to my bank account. Even if $10 isn't anything to you, I would hope that people would stop and look at the big picture. How about we send a clear signal to them that we aren't mindless consumers and hold out on these maps until they are free or the price drops.

  • 11.20.2007 5:17 PM PDT
Subject: Heroic Map Pack Announced for Halo 3
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$10 = Too much for 3 maps. H3 shipped with too few maps to begin with. Also, some of the maps it did ship with honestly aren't fun for competetive players. Not even MLG style players, just people who like to sign on, not mess around in vehicles, not talk to listen to other people blather. I just want to sign on (quickly) load a smaller map, ban the assault rifle and vehicles. I apologize for going off on a tangent, but $10 is still too much for 3 maps.

  • 11.20.2007 6:03 PM PDT
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so far this game has been disapointing.....the game came out what, less than 2 months ago and your already trying to get more money. i know you all worked hard on this game and we thank you for that, but now your just being greedy, little -blam!-es...(no offence) you say you care about the players...but you wont have any players if you keep this up...you have what maybe 4 or 5 good maps and alot of sucky ones.

here is my idea, you hold a poll and ask everyone what 5 maps they want to bring back from the previos games then redo them and give them to us.
or ask what we want in maps. dont just assume what we want

  • 11.20.2007 6:12 PM PDT
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I like it how you all complain about them charging. Bungie is a company, companies are there to make money. Get over it. Go play CoD4 and wait for their equally priced downloadable content, whiny -blam!-es.

I have a little thing that I used to paste in DLC related threads but I lost it, but basically it says... Bungie has to pay their employees to make these maps, they have to pay Testers and QA to check everything is ok with them, they most likely have to pay Microsoft to host the DLC.

The World revolves around money, anyone over the age of 12 should know this. Money is what makes the world go 'round. If Bungie didn't charge then they wouldn't make any money then they wouldn't be able to pay their employees etc. etc.

If you complain about $10, you're a spoiled brat.

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  • 11.20.2007 6:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Runsonlava
so far this game has been disapointing.....the game came out what, less than 2 months ago and your already trying to get more money. i know you all worked hard on this game and we thank you for that, but now your just being greedy, little -blam!-es...(no offence) you say you care about the players...but you wont have any players if you keep this up...you have what maybe 4 or 5 good maps and alot of sucky ones.

here is my idea, you hold a poll and ask everyone what 5 maps they want to bring back from the previos games then redo them and give them to us.
or ask what we want in maps. dont just assume what we want


In a small way I have to agree with Runs on this. Before Bungie even starts on anymore maps, they should consider the gamers. They should have two polls on what maps the gamers want. One poll on which map from a previous Halo Bungie should bring back with like 4 choices. Then a poll on which kind of new map they should work on, like a Forge friendly map, or a huge Big Team Battle map. Now I'm not saying Bungie should do this, but mearly consider it. To my memory, isn't it the customer who is right? Just saying.

Of course, if we, the players, want to see any progress, we should not buy, but wait until the download is free to show Microsoft who is who, as stated before. Now that doesn't mean all of us are going to cooperate, as $10 is really nothing but a week of a child's allouence or chump change for the average adult, plus the waiting period can be rather "Blargish", so really all of this complaining is a waste of time, and worthless in value, if you're not willing to sacrifice gameplay and value, which I'm sure none of us are willing to do from the looks of this. I'm sure all of those who are complaining will purchase the maps regardless of what they are saying now. Sure, they say $10 is a rip off, but that won't stop them from finding some loose change, doing some chores, or even begging mom for the 800 pts for the maps, so really their complaints have no effect on Bungie, other than irritating them and making them wish they never made Halo 3 in the first place. Really, if you're all talk and no walk, then stop your Honking and start acting, or just buy the maps, or not (as stated before), and live on to play some more games.

If you want to honk to someone about prices, do it to the saler of the product, not the maker.

  • 11.20.2007 6:53 PM PDT
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Moon Base Alpha?

Purple Reign?

Inclusion of firebomb grenades in Matchmaking?

Possibly an object to increase player speed?

Team Hardcore for H3??

--Definitley looking forward to the DLC, 800 points ain't too bad...

--FIRE bomb grenades???

  • 11.20.2007 7:07 PM PDT