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Posted by: OLLIE UK 360
Bring back Prisoner then i'll be amazed...

NOT REALLY..

They look beautiful...


ya midship then i might play halo once a weak

mmmmmmmmmmmmcod 4

  • 11.20.2007 7:07 PM PDT
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when will thay be free becouse im in australia outbackand shops are a ong way away and we have no need for redit cards

  • 11.20.2007 7:23 PM PDT

Swift Death To Evil

my god people stop -blam!-ing about 10 dollars... it is a rip off for 3 maps, but either way in the big picture it isnt asking alot.
also i whole-heartedly agree with bringing back the mlg style maps. so far halo 3 maps have not only been a whole new style, but not nearly as enjoyable.
bring back turf midship and lockout and i will be happy. also team hardcore and snipers would be nice, or does bungie expect all of its hardcore halo 2 matchmaking fans to lose intrest in the franchise altogether?
just bring back lockout at least, guardian is pathetic in comparison.

  • 11.20.2007 7:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mr Shawn to YOU
*REVISED MESSAGE BECAUSE WHEN I WROTE THE ORIGINAL I LEFT A FEW THINGS OUT*

AM I THE ONLY PERSON THAT FEELS THAT THESE MAPS SHOULD BE FREE!?!?!? FIRST OFF A YEAR AGO I PAYED FOR MY LEGENDARY EDITION OF HALO 3 WHEN IT WAS STILL SELLING FOR $100. THEN IM FORCED TO PAY AN EXTRA $30 WHEN IT RELEASED. THEN I GET THE GAME PLAY IT AND THE CAMPAIGN WAS GREAT BUT THE MATCHMAKING IS KINDA LAME. NOT FOR THE GAMEPLAY PHYSICS SO MUCH BUT BECAUSE YOU PLAY THE SAME THREE OR FOUR MAPS ON EACH "HOPPER" AND THE STAGES ARE TOO CLOSE TOGETHER OVER AND OVER ACCOMPANIED BY THE SAME VARIANTS. I WAS QUITE DISAPPOINTED BY THE LACK OF DIFFERNT CHOICES AS FAR AS THE "HOPPERS" GO. BRING BIG TEAM BACK TO A RANKED PLAYLIST AND ADD SOME MORE OPTIONS LIKE AN ALL INFECTION HOPPER OR A HOPPER CONSISTING OF ALL PLAYER EDITTED MAPS AND VARIANTS AND CHANGE THE PLAYLIST FOR THE PLAYER EDITTED HOPPER MONTHLY SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE A FRESH VARIETY OF MAPS AND VARIANTS TO PLAY AND SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE THEIR MAPS PLAYED BY THE MASSES AND GET SOME FEEDBACK. ALL IN ALL I'M JUST SAYING THAT "SOME" OF THE NEW MAPS NEED TO BE FREE WITH THE VERY LIMITED SELECTION OF MAPS THAT WERE GIVEN WITH LAUNCH FOR A HIGH PRICE. I KNOW THAT WHEN HALO 2 WAS STILL HOT I WAS ON TOP OF EVERY MAP PACK THAT CAME OUT AND BOUGHT THEM WITH LITTLE HESITATION FOR LESS THAN WHAT THESE MAPS ARE BEING SOLD FOR. DOES ANYONE AGREE WITH ANY OF THE STATEMENTS I HAVE MADE? PLEASE COMMENT!!!

ON A SCARIER NOTE...IF WE KEEP LETTING THESE GAME MAKERS UP THE PRICES AND LOWER THE PRODUCT QUANTITY WHO KNOW WHAT WE WILL BE PAYING THE NEXT GO ROUND. OR THE ONE AFTER THAT. JUST THINK THE MORE YOU ACTUALLY PAY FOR THIS STUFF THE MORE THEY WILL DO IT AND THE LESS THEY WILL GIVE YOU. I REMEMBER HALO 2 COMING OUT WITH A SMORGASBOARD OF MAPS ON ITS LAUNCH AND THE MAPS THAT THEY RELEASED AFTERWARD COST SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN WHAT BUNGIE IS CHARGING FOR THESE MAPS. YEAH THE MAPS ARE BETTER QUALITY AS FAR AS GRAPHICALLY BUT COME ON WHO OUT OF US DIDNT PAY MORE THAN $60 BUCKS FOR THE GAME ALONE. IN MINE AS WELL AS OTHERS CASES OVER $130 FOR THE MEMORABILIA?


I think it should be free to Halo 3 Legendary Edition owners.

  • 11.20.2007 7:40 PM PDT

Swift Death To Evil

i agree the legendary edition wast quite as great as it was made out to be, what with the helmet you have to rip apart to wear lol

  • 11.20.2007 8:03 PM PDT
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Bungie screwed up forge already. I hope they don't make the man cannons and the shield doors unreasonably priced like they did with many things in forge, like the flamethrower/vehicles. And the fact that it is so limitied like the gernades, 32 frag, 32 plasma, 32 spike, 8 Firebomb makes it suck even more. In one of the ViDocs they said "It would be purposterous to place a scorpion on guardian..." Well, why the hell can we put 4 Hornets,4 Banshees on Construct (great feature by the way) and only 2 Hornets on Valhalla? So what I have my game go at 2 frames per second? Thats my problem. And don't put a "Bugdet" thing and have a max number allowed on map. What if I want to put 16 Hornets, 16 Banshees, 16 Scorpions, on any map? Who cares? Chances are it would be the greatest Halo 3 game ever. All I ask is to improve the Forge. And instead of just complaining about it, here are a few steps to fix it if you Bungie people even care.

Marine029's How-to-fix-Forge

1) Get rid of "Bugdet" and replace it with a "Recommended" bar, If the player goes beyond the recommended number of items placed on map notify the player that the game might be a little bit choppy/laggy.
2) Get rid of the "Max number allowed on map" limit.
3) Allow people to put what ever the hell they want on any map. (Like tanks on Guardian)
4) Allow us to pilot Toop Warthogs, Anti Air Wraiths, Turretless Warthogs, and so on. (So what if it sucks? Again, its the player's problem and would probably make a good machinima)
05) Allow us to "Glitch" a little bit like out of maps etc. Well only in Forge, nobody wants a cheater in matchmaking. Not even me.

  • 11.20.2007 8:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: O Zetsui O
i agree the legendary edition wast quite as great as it was made out to be, what with the helmet you have to rip apart to wear lol


Yeah, I don't want some super human's helmet sitting around unless I get to wear it.

  • 11.20.2007 8:10 PM PDT
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so no one knows when thay will be free?

  • 11.20.2007 8:15 PM PDT

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microsoft is constantly losing money on the xbox group.

  • 11.20.2007 8:16 PM PDT
Subject: Heroic Map Pack Announced for Halo 3

Posted by: D1RTY FRANK
Foxsnipe, I have to say that your defensive view is quite narrow.

Nobody held a gun to my head and made be buy any of the Halo games, or the 360, or any of the stuff off of the Marketplace. I chose to do it because I am a fan of video games. I love the Halo franchise.

Fair enough. However the point I'm trying to make is this isn't worth crying and whining over. You can either buy them now or wait. People should really consider themselves lucky that there is even a free option; yes, it'll be a while, but at least it's there.

I tend to be very picky on what I spend money on. I still will not buy the 120GB HDD until I absolutely need it because I don't feel the gain justifies the cost, so you can't say I'm a spendthrift. Similarly, I understand while people are getting worked up here. Yeah, I'll probably drop the $10 because I want to try something new (I would have done the same for Gears except I moved on to another game by that point), but that doesn't mean I don't see why people are upset. Still, that doesn't justify the huge amount of complaining and ranting like children. I'm all for feedback on unfair pricing and whatnot, but what the community has shown thus far is not the appropriate method.

Be upset all you want, but you should still be civil. All you have to do is say it's too expensive and you'll be waiting. No need to say Bungie/MS suck because they are ripping you off. They would only be truely ripping you off if you were forced to buy it (i.e. Matchmaking restricted you from playing), which isn't the case (this time). Of course, you'll be missing out of some gameplay but you have alternate means to play and eventually get the maps.



However, I think there is a larger issue here that gamers need to be wary of. Companies--especially Microsoft--are taking advantage of our love for gaming. Now it's not enough for them to make a profit the old fashioned way by creating a product that people want and offering it for a reasonable price. The new business model is to squeeze every penny out of us that they can. It goes beyond good business into the realm of ridiculous greed and gross disrespect for the ones that make it possible for companies like Microsoft and Bungie to exist in the first place. I think this is a dark time for gamers. Sure, some games may be better than anything we've played before, but it's also costing us more than ever before. This can't go on forever and I fully expect there to be a crash before the next generation or shortly there after. That crash will not be good for those of us that love gaming.
Fair point. But at the same time, people are starting to make more money, and as a result of all prices going up people just start accepting it as normal. Blame the economy in general for that one (and I suspect some blame should be directed to the manufacturers of the source hardware for increased costs that eventually get passed down to us). Though it could be said Microsoft simply provides the path for companies to do this, it is really up to them whether they choose to exploit it or not. Granted they'd be foolish if they didn't economically, but the decision is still their's. Software in general isn't any better, look at the exorbitant prices for things like Photoshop and Final Cut Pro. The digital industry as a whole is guilty, we are lucky it's taken this long to reach the gaming arena.

People have every right to complain right now and voice their concerns/resentment. Bungie talks a lot of community. The creation of this "community" of dedicated fans may just be another way to insure cash flow for Bungie, but it actually means a lot to fans. Honestly, I think we deserve better. The bottom line is Bungie is a business and they need to make money, but they are making plenty of that right now and they have us to thank for it. I don't think they should take advantage of us by over-charging for maps--and they are over-charging because $10 is 1/6 the price of the full game that took them three years to make. Don't tell me it took 1/6 of the development time and money to make these three maps. They don't even have to press any disks. It doesn't equate.
People do have the right, but they should first understand that not all that money goes to Bungie. Microsoft gets its fair cut of the profit, no matter how much you like it (just as PayPal does for all transactions). As it stands, I see a lot of outright hatred directed at Bungie individually without thinking it through. Let's also remember there are deadlines to keep and contracts to uphold. You may not agree but at least respect that those things exist.

Also, as I said before, at least protest in a civil manner, without acting like you didn't get picked first in a playground game or something. As much written protest as there is though and that Bungie may see, untimately it comes down to whether Microsoft will see sales drop significantly. And with the price set where it is, I suspect it won't, since it's not that great of an insult if people think one more map would be fair. It's just the way the market works, similar to CDs, which I feel are too expensive yet there are many people willing to buy theme.

More than anything else, I feel really disappointed right now. I want there to be many map packs for Halo 3, but I also don't want to be a mindless sheep that gives Bungie and Microsoft free access to my bank account. Even if $10 isn't anything to you, I would hope that people would stop and look at the big picture. How about we send a clear signal to them that we aren't mindless consumers and hold out on these maps until they are free or the price drops.
And that, is precisely what I've been trying to explain to people. If you don't feel the gain is equal to the cost, then wait. Surely you can wait 6 months when you are not kicked out of Matchmaking, as upset as that may make you. Band together with other like-minded players and stick to custom games, where you'll probably have more fun anyway. If the pricing continues, I probably would wait until they are free as well (at least unless I get a free point promo from the likes of Verizon or a pre-order at BestBuy). Since I did wait for the Gears maps, I don't mind paying up this time around. Besides, I have a lot of points on my account just twidling their thumbs only because I got a point card for pre-ordering Halo 3, so I feel that promo deserves to go back to Bungie/MS. Otherwise my points would probably just be wasted. I don't buy a lot of things off Marketplace. Other people I'm sure buy things like the RvB videos, TV series, etc. which in the case of the latter I find very silly. See, I bet I'm going against some people who are complaining here.

All I ask is people just stop whining like children and hold themselves to a higher level of protest and discussion (i.e. protest with your dollars). It makes you and the community look a lot better. People should at least understand they have a free option instead of pretending they don't and taking the pitchfork to Bungie, acting and talking in an offensive manner (cursing and yelling at Bungie), etc., which has generally been what's happened.


Thanks for the chance for a civil discussion. Hope I hit each point enough.

  • 11.20.2007 8:33 PM PDT
Subject: Heroic Map Pack Announced for Halo 3
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What we need please Bungie are the small maps from HALO 2. My family's favorites are Foundation and Midship. The smallest map on HALO 3 as you know is Guardian, and it doesn't have the always in your face set-up like Foundation. In fact, Guardian is the only map that's reasonably sized for two-on-two game play. Come on!

  • 11.20.2007 8:43 PM PDT
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Did anyone else notice how those maps are almost identical to some Counter Strike maps? I can't remember the name of them off the top of my head, but I'll look later.

But honestly, the last two look exactly like maps seen on Counter Strike.

  • 11.20.2007 8:54 PM PDT
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can i still play halo 3 if i wait intill the maps are free?

  • 11.20.2007 9:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: FUDGE KITTENS
can i still play halo 3 if i wait intill the maps are free?

Yep.






To Foxsnipe: If I was giving out some kind of reward , you'd be getting it right now.

  • 11.20.2007 9:39 PM PDT
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My only question is how long before the downloadable maps bring in the modders?

  • 11.20.2007 10:12 PM PDT
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I'm not exactly sure you were ment to wear the helmet...
Posted by: O Zetsui O
i agree the legendary edition wast quite as great as it was made out to be, what with the helmet you have to rip apart to wear lol

  • 11.21.2007 12:53 AM PDT
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all 3 maps are great no not great they were spectacular. Maybe you should make a water kind map or in a place were lava is like near a valcano or something. But the maps are nice i'm getting me some M.S. points

  • 11.21.2007 12:57 AM PDT
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Great to see new maps so quickly after launch, but sadly halo 3 is still missing out on small "in your face" BG's. [[sigh]] I miss Lockout and Midships... maybe the next round of DLC could contain nothing but the afore-mentioned. Still a great game; hoping it gets better!

  • 11.21.2007 1:12 AM PDT

Yesterday is History today is a Dream tomorrow is Ambition.
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Still 800 point for just three maps is insane, just remember halo 1 for the PC had tons of maps all free and with all the money they earned from us buying the game they should atleast give us a date when they will be free or cut in price. three maps should be 400 points not 800.
or atleast free as we (almost all Xbox Live members) Bought the game and gave them enough money to make them smile. AND WHAT DO WE GET FOR IT IN RETURN??? A BIG BLEEP YOU! pay us 800 point to get the maps, sorry I think they should do a bit more for there community then kick us in the back like this. This is not only my opinion alone. Still I got it off my back so I hope some one will listen to it if not then it confirms my statement.

Futher more Halo 3 is a OK game not super but OK online its more like halo 2.5. And way to less maps and a to short single player and even not FULL HD resolution which was a bit disapointing anyhow I hope the community will get some thing for it in return after all with out us they would be nothing at all. We made them big remember that!

Chop!!

  • 11.21.2007 1:12 AM PDT

Live to kill. Kill the bad, and save the good. Or just shut up and shoot something.

Bungie,

Im starting to get the hint that most people in here, are saying $10 or £5 for 3 maps isnt alot but for 3 maps you are asking way to much, get a grip. for some people who brought the £80 Halo 3 edition, just to have to pay out more and more money its getting silly.

I dont have a problem with money never have done, but Im not going to pay just to use 3 maps, only for you to then make another 3, then charge again when you have done them.

Sorry Bungie, but you have let your fans down again, and you keep doing it...

  • 11.21.2007 1:34 AM PDT
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All Halo 1 maps are required, we all want them.

  • 11.21.2007 1:47 AM PDT
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How the -blam!- do u get credits?ive only had xbox live for about a month and i used the free trial so i dunno how to get credits n shiz.

  • 11.21.2007 3:27 AM PDT
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One of the maps was going to be in Halo 3 anyway? And you could get 4 to 5 maps in Halo 2 for around £5 $5 but 3 maps that cost £12 $10 is just stealing. And don't forget if your got say 700 and so gamerpoints you need to go out and get 500 points that you don't really need so it comes to at least £15 $15. Aww im just pissed of is all. Bungie your a money whore :D

  • 11.21.2007 5:14 AM PDT
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the maps look so godly but $10 is bit to much >_>

  • 11.21.2007 5:26 AM PDT
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I wonder how long it will take for people to glitch themselves on top of those dishes in Standoff and make that map totally not fun to play. Im taking bids on "Over or Under" - 2 months.


Im saying - under

  • 11.21.2007 5:58 AM PDT