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Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

We showed Bungie and Microsoft that we're willing to buy Halo games and recommend them to our friends no matter how broken they are. If we boycotted the games to begin with they might try harder to deliver a worthwhile product. Personally, I sent mine back for a refund.

  • 11.20.2007 6:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: n357
We showed Bungie and Microsoft that we're willing to buy Halo games and recommend them to our friends no matter how broken they are. If we boycotted the games to begin with they might try harder to deliver a worthwhile product. Personally, I sent mine back for a refund.


Bungie did't make H2V. They only contributed the origonal content.

  • 11.20.2007 10:38 AM PDT
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But Bungie did make Halo 2, which was bad already.

  • 11.20.2007 1:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: n357
We showed Bungie and Microsoft that we're willing to buy Halo games and recommend them to our friends no matter how broken they are. If we boycotted the games to begin with they might try harder to deliver a worthwhile product. Personally, I sent mine back for a refund.


Bungie did't make H2V. They only contributed the origonal content.


It doesn't matter, it's the message thats important. If we had boycotted the game it would have sent M$ a message at the least, and they are the people who will be making H3 PC, our last chance at a Halo Port that doesn't suck its XBox companion's dick. The problem is is that we don't know how Microsoft will interpret low sales. They could realize it's due to a boycott becuase it's a -blam!- port and they need to do better on H3 PC, or they could see low sales as low interest for Halo ports, which could lead to no H3 PC at all. If a boycott were to truly be noticed, it would have to be massive, as in an organized effort and getting as many people as possible to participate, and not just boycotting H2V, but all microsoft products, for maximum hurt. It doesn't matter so much how we hurt M$ as long as they know why we are hurting them. So we would have to try to find a way to make sure M$ notices that this boycott is due to dissatisfaction with H2V. Unfortunately, it is a little late for a H2V boycott, and H2V wasn't that important of a release anyway, but I hereby propose a boycott of all Windows LIVE games. Not neccassarily the entire Games For Windows brand (possible though, to maximize hurt-see above-) but the LIVE games at least to show them that we will not be made to pay for services that are standard in most games, services that in too many cases are supplied by us in the first place (i.e. the ability to join a freind in-game without hunting from server to server, ability to join a non-dedi server, the ability to download user-created maps in-game from another users computer, etc)

I've thought about this. And wtih enoguh people, it just may work.

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The sales and reception of the port speak for itself. To Microsoft it probably cost them nothing to port the game, and they only did to start up their also-horrible port of the LIVE program to PC with the hopeful attempt that people would fall victim to it and just give a monthly fee of money for services that are already for free. Basically, Sony has been destroyed simply because of the reception the community of gamers have decided to receive it under. Because we have only focused on Sony, the competition has moved onto Microsoft, and no one is the wiser to question what the company does, nor how Halo 3 broke some of the top movie sales in the world. Microsoft got what it wanted out of the industry, and after it did, they dumped the extra luggage (Bungie) and they now know that even if they crap on Halo merchandise, people will still buy it and eat it all up.

So it's actually not just our fault why H2V is horrible, but why the whole gaming industry as a whole is horrible as well. The product is as good as the consumer is willing to accept it under. It's 1997 all over again, with Final Fantasy VII breaking people's VRPG cherry, and Halo did exactly that by breaking people's FPS cherry, despite the fact that it's all been done before, and better.

But what does it matter. I've been saying this since 2004; not like anything has changed.

  • 11.20.2007 3:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: n357
We showed Bungie and Microsoft that we're willing to buy Halo games and recommend them to our friends no matter how broken they are. If we boycotted the games to begin with they might try harder to deliver a worthwhile product. Personally, I sent mine back for a refund.


Bungie did't make H2V. They only contributed the origonal content.


It doesn't matter, it's the message thats important. If we had boycotted the game it would have sent M$ a message at the least, and they are the people who will be making H3 PC, our last chance at a Halo Port that doesn't suck its XBox companion's dick. The problem is is that we don't know how Microsoft will interpret low sales. They could realize it's due to a boycott becuase it's a -blam!- port and they need to do better on H3 PC, or they could see low sales as low interest for Halo ports, which could lead to no H3 PC at all. If a boycott were to truly be noticed, it would have to be massive, as in an organized effort and getting as many people as possible to participate, and not just boycotting H2V, but all microsoft products, for maximum hurt. It doesn't matter so much how we hurt M$ as long as they know why we are hurting them. So we would have to try to find a way to make sure M$ notices that this boycott is due to dissatisfaction with H2V. Unfortunately, it is a little late for a H2V boycott, and H2V wasn't that important of a release anyway, but I hereby propose a boycott of all Windows LIVE games. Not neccassarily the entire Games For Windows brand (possible though, to maximize hurt-see above-) but the LIVE games at least to show them that we will not be made to pay for services that are standard in most games, services that in too many cases are supplied by us in the first place (i.e. the ability to join a freind in-game without hunting from server to server, ability to join a non-dedi server, the ability to download user-created maps in-game from another users computer, etc)

I've thought about this. And wtih enoguh people, it just may work.
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  • 11.20.2007 3:38 PM PDT
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Well most importantly, who is the "we" that would be doing the boycotting? Most active members playing Halo 1/2 PC who might complain are the ones who are actually playing the game...pretty contradictory there.

  • 11.20.2007 3:48 PM PDT
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Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

I still blame it on Hired Gun. Much like what Aspyr did with Guitar Hero 3 PC, Hired Gun failed. Not only did they drop promised content (remember the cross-platform play that was mentioned in the beginning), but they also packaged a game that did not run as well on budget computers.

H2V was designed for computers of the future, no doubt about that. Notice how no one with 2GB of RAM, a Dual-Core CPU, and a current-gen video card complains about their performance. They never talk about their framerates dropping. But those of us with half the RAM, and budget CPUs and GeForce 7/Radeon X1K Graphics have all the trouble in the world running this simple game. It's ridiculous.

I already made the decision to move on the console gaming. There's nothing left for me on the PC. I'm not going to pay for $700 in upgrades (yes I am that behind) just to play Crysis. For $400, I can get an Xbox 360 and not only have a larger game library, but better optimized games. All in all, Halo 2 Vista was only a warning of things to come, Halo 3 will just be worse. Watch, when it comes out, we'll be complaining about how slow it runs on our GeForce 8800's.

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Posted by: vincent5
I still blame it on Hired Gun. Much like what Aspyr did with Guitar Hero 3 PC, Hired Gun failed. Not only did they drop promised content (remember the cross-platform play that was mentioned in the beginning), but they also packaged a game that did not run as well on budget computers.

If that's who you're going to blame, then you're falling under the distinct feeling Microsoft/Bungie wanted you to, which is that a restricted small developing team being mandated in what to do some how had control over porting the game when, in fact, they didn't.

  • 11.21.2007 9:30 AM PDT
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Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

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Posted by: vincent5
I still blame it on Hired Gun. Much like what Aspyr did with Guitar Hero 3 PC, Hired Gun failed. Not only did they drop promised content (remember the cross-platform play that was mentioned in the beginning), but they also packaged a game that did not run as well on budget computers.

If that's who you're going to blame, then you're falling under the distinct feeling Microsoft/Bungie wanted you to, which is that a restricted small developing team being mandated in what to do some how had control over porting the game when, in fact, they didn't.


So then Microsoft is where the fail begins. Not surprising, since they have the gaming market almost to themselves. It's pretty hard to find a gamer that doesn't run Windows.

So maybe H2V was just a ploy to sell Windows Vista, maybe GFWL was invented for the same purpose. Either way, no one delivered what was promised, and what was delievered was a failed product. Honestly, I don't care who the blame rests on, what matters to me is that companies stop making ports of console games with poor optimization. However I fear that it will happen again, and again.

  • 11.21.2007 10:49 AM PDT

H1 and Halo Custom edition name: madkiller92
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Do you have to pay to join dedcated severs and custom edition for halo 2?

  • 11.21.2007 11:53 AM PDT

Silve (FREE!)r=Join Dedicated Servers and use Basic LIVE Guide functions
Gold ($50 a year from Microsoft, $40 from Newegg 13 months=All LIVE Guide Functions, Quickmatch, Play on Any Server

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  • 11.21.2007 2:26 PM PDT

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Add me to your friends list if you haven't already. It's a lot more fun to play with people from The Maw and people I know than random noobs.

Halo 2 Vista blows. I played it for 2 days maybe, if that. Most of the first day I spent trying to get it to work.

The box it came in is smashed somewhere in piles of junk. I don't even know where the CD is, nor do I care. I just wish I had my $50 back.

  • 11.21.2007 7:09 PM PDT
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How many people bought the game? 5? ;)

Not only that, but even if nobody at all purchased H2PC, it would still be bad.

As for HPC, it was worth the money I reckon, just a shame about the total lack of support it had where pratically every single bug was left untouched.

Everyone buys it? The next game might actually be just as bad, or they might try boost sales further by making it a good game if they see there's a market.

Nobody buys it? There might not be a next game at all.

Anyway, I don't think you can predict how much effort will be put into the next game from the sales of the previous title (Halo had great sales, but the effort put into Halo 2 was lacking).

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Posted by: vincent5
I still blame it on Hired Gun. Much like what Aspyr did with Guitar Hero 3 PC, Hired Gun failed. Not only did they drop promised content (remember the cross-platform play that was mentioned in the beginning), but they also packaged a game that did not run as well on budget computers.

If that's who you're going to blame, then you're falling under the distinct feeling Microsoft/Bungie wanted you to, which is that a restricted small developing team being mandated in what to do some how had control over porting the game when, in fact, they didn't.


Don't pin it all on Hired Gun. Bungie gave HPC many of the problems it has today, not Gearbox, and it's a bit funny how we were told by HG how involved Bungie were in H2PC, then when it turns out to be a crap game, Bungie denies they had anything to do with it.

Anyhow, for Agamemnon582bc, being told what to do doesn't have to mean shoddy programming. ;)

I should probably point out that you can't say it's not Hired Gun's fault because of something Microsoft mandated. Hired Gun are Microsoft. Nothing but a name for PR reasons.

[Edited on 11.21.2007 7:22 PM PST]

  • 11.21.2007 7:17 PM PDT
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H2V sucks because of Live, and maybe that it sucks intentionally, so that when M$ makes H3 PC more people will buy it, But then... well we hate H 2V we arent very faithful any more :(

  • 11.22.2007 12:33 AM PDT
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I should probably point out that you can't say it's not Hired Gun's fault because of something Microsoft mandated. Hired Gun are Microsoft. Nothing but a name for PR reasons.

Not even remotely close. You're looking at it in black and white. Hired Gun isn't even a company; it was a selected few from Microsoft Game Studios that were pulled off to work on a small project. MGS itself isn't even MIcrosoft; Microsoft is the corporation, the pure essence of marketing. MGS deals with video games, and it was Microsoft that pulled a few people off from other games to work on this port with Bungie acting as consultants and also telling Hired Gun what they could and could not do. They do this so you point the finger at the little guys and ignore who was really behind it.

  • 11.22.2007 5:19 PM PDT

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I REALLY don't like having to play just to get the best multiplyer. Used to be all free...

  • 11.24.2007 7:21 PM PDT
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Yes, I am a hypocrite, and I'm sorry. I really do mean well, but I'm not running on all cylinders.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
[Hired Gun isn't even a company; it was a selected few from Microsoft Game Studios that were pulled off to work on a small project. MGS itself isn't even MIcrosoft; Microsoft is the corporation, the pure essence of marketing. MGS deals with video games, and it was Microsoft that pulled a few people off from other games to work on this port with Bungie acting as consultants and also telling Hired Gun what they could and could not do. They do this so you point the finger at the little guys and ignore who was really behind it.

Sounds like SCO. Heard about the SCO/IBM lawsuits?

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Hey I got my Acer Aspire t180 tower for 471 bucks with a Athlon64X2 4000+ cpu a gig of memeory which i upgraded to 4 for under 200 bucks! Geforce 8600 graphic card 240 gig harddrive Vista homwe premiumum. DVD r/w with light scribe!
Scrw shelling out 400 bucks for a console like Xbox that only plays games!

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I think Vista might actually be the problem here. A friend of mine runs a hacked version of H2V on his XP system with an X1300 PCI, 512 MB RAM, and a Pentium 4 processor at a CONSTANT 30 fps. I don't know how the hell that works, but it's amazing, and if I didn't mind risking jail time I'd do it myself.

Altogether I think Vista is a sucky OS for gaming. It hogs resources of all kinds, and leaves very few to run your game. XP, on the other hand, leaves most of your RAM available for programs and allocates resources when gaming gets demanding. I'm not sure if Vista does that, but if it does, it certainly doesn't do it as well.

  • 11.26.2007 3:54 AM PDT
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Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

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I think Vista might actually be the problem here. A friend of mine runs a hacked version of H2V on his XP system with an X1300 PCI, 512 MB RAM, and a Pentium 4 processor at a CONSTANT 30 fps. I don't know how the hell that works, but it's amazing, and if I didn't mind risking jail time I'd do it myself.

Altogether I think Vista is a sucky OS for gaming. It hogs resources of all kinds, and leaves very few to run your game. XP, on the other hand, leaves most of your RAM available for programs and allocates resources when gaming gets demanding. I'm not sure if Vista does that, but if it does, it certainly doesn't do it as well.


People are getting awesome framerates in Crysis on Vista.

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I think Vista might actually be the problem here. A friend of mine runs a hacked version of H2V on his XP system with an X1300 PCI, 512 MB RAM, and a Pentium 4 processor at a CONSTANT 30 fps. I don't know how the hell that works, but it's amazing, and if I didn't mind risking jail time I'd do it myself.

Altogether I think Vista is a sucky OS for gaming. It hogs resources of all kinds, and leaves very few to run your game. XP, on the other hand, leaves most of your RAM available for programs and allocates resources when gaming gets demanding. I'm not sure if Vista does that, but if it does, it certainly doesn't do it as well.


People are getting awesome framerates in Crysis on Vista.


That's because people playing Crysis have extremely fast graphics cards and processors. They can afford to have resources drained to VistaHog
Python might be onto something, I tried putting my theme to Windows Classic and my PC loads up ALOT faster with it.

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i hate halo 2

if i can get the bloody game to install, i wouldnt hate it dat much

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I think Vista might actually be the problem here. A friend of mine runs a hacked version of H2V on his XP system with an X1300 PCI, 512 MB RAM, and a Pentium 4 processor at a CONSTANT 30 fps. I don't know how the hell that works, but it's amazing, and if I didn't mind risking jail time I'd do it myself.

Altogether I think Vista is a sucky OS for gaming. It hogs resources of all kinds, and leaves very few to run your game. XP, on the other hand, leaves most of your RAM available for programs and allocates resources when gaming gets demanding. I'm not sure if Vista does that, but if it does, it certainly doesn't do it as well.


People are getting awesome framerates in Crysis on Vista.



That's because people playing Crysis have extremely fast graphics cards and processors. They can afford to have resources drained to VistaHog
Python might be onto something, I tried putting my theme to Windows Classic and my PC loads up ALOT faster with it.


Thanks for the support, mate.

As people internet-wide have stated thousands of times, Vista was just too hastily released. MS couldn't really optimise the system for half of its intended programmes because they were being pressured to release by a specific deadline.

Yeah, you basically need a monstrous rig to run modern games on Vista - I personally have a GeForce 7600 with 2 gigs of RAM and a Dual-core processor, and Crysis lags like hell for me :P

  • 11.27.2007 6:49 PM PDT

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I'm there but, man this is really starting to sound like communism.
Long live the MAW.

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Yeah, you basically need a monstrous rig to run modern games on Vista - I personally have a GeForce 7600 with 2 gigs of RAM and a Dual-core processor, and Crysis lags like hell for me :P


No surprise there. Crysis was basicly created so that even in 2 years time, people would still find it's graphics something to stare at with intrest. And a GeForce 7600, of course it's not gonna run it that good. |:o

  • 11.27.2007 7:07 PM PDT

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