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Posted by: Bring the Noise

You can knock all the monks and people who want to improve themselves, yet are interested in a group where a large number -blam!- children. It makes no sense.


A small number. And I highly doubt that the meditating monks aren't without their faults. Try as they may, they are still only human.

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I don't think that thier interest in Christianity and its ideas is interest in the individual corrupt priests. I think most Christians would agree that those priests' actions don't accurately represent Christian ideals.

Edit: This thread's getting outta control. Let's try to steer it away from forbidden stuff.

[Edited on 6/7/2004 9:14:08 PM]

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Posted by: forumrunner
I don't think that thier interest in Christianity and its ideas is interest in the individual corrupt priests. I think most Christians would agree that those priests' actions don't accurately represent Christian ideals.


I would have thought that was a given.

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The funny part is that this all started with obbi asking if we read a book, all this really makes you think, for instance, who are we to say what is right and wrong?

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Posted by: ajenteks
Posted by: Bring the Noise

You can knock all the monks and people who want to improve themselves, yet are interested in a group where a large number -blam!- children. It makes no sense.


A small number. And I highly doubt that the meditating monks aren't without their faults. Try as they may, they are still only human.



More than a thousand is not a small number when it pertains religious leaders using their position to -blam!- children. Again, I still haven't heard anything about monks raping children.

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Posted by: ajenteks
Posted by: forumrunner
I don't think that thier interest in Christianity and its ideas is interest in the individual corrupt priests. I think most Christians would agree that those priests' actions don't accurately represent Christian ideals.


I would have thought that was a given.



It is a given.

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Posted by: Bring the Noise

More than a thousand is not a small number when it pertains religious leaders using their position to -blam!- children. Again, I still haven't heard anything about monks raping children.


Where are you getting this "more than a thousand" from?

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Watch the news.

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I was trying to illustrate how silly it is to talk about interest in the doctrine being weird in the context of the corrupt. Those twisted -blam!-s aren't part of Christianity in my opinion.

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I was just thinking, how could anyone be at fault for their actions, when you are born you have no personality, you know nothing. How you turn out in life completely relies on how you were raised. When someone murders another person, they do it because it brings them pleasure. Why does it bring them pleasure? Because they were brought up that way.

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Watch the news.
Good source!

[Edited on 6/7/2004 9:22:50 PM]

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Yeah, they aren't in my book either. How can you say that you practice Christianity and then stick your 6 incher in some 5 year olds ass? Doesn't make sense to me.

[Edited on 6/7/2004 9:27:07 PM]

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Posted by: Canadian_MC
I was just thinking, how could anyone be at fault for their actions, when you are born you have no personality, you know nothing. How you turn out in life completely relies on how you were raised. When someone murders another person, they do it because it brings them pleasure. Why does it bring them pleasure? Because they were brought up that way.


Twins, seperated at birth, raised in totally different environments, have almost the same personalities and practices.

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Personally, I think the problem we should be worrying about is that our society allows the development of the thousands of freaks mentioned. Some societies have lower rates of stuff like that. Anyway, this is getting locked. This is just outta control. Later y'all.

Hey, wait a minute. Human behaviour's the fault of the other humans influencing the subject? All our behaviour had to come from somewhere, and I would sure as heck like to think that I'm contributing to my own development! I'm sure heredity has some influence, but I'm sure that it's more environmental and even more personal decisions.

[Edited on 6/7/2004 9:28:33 PM]

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Posted by: forumrunner
I was trying to illustrate how silly it is to talk about interest in the doctrine being weird in the context of the corrupt. Those twisted -blam!-s aren't part of Christianity in my opinion.


Yes, I just thought that it was obvious. It looks like an illustration is justified though.

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i haven't heard of that, when did that happen?

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Posted by: Canadian_MC
I was just thinking, how could anyone be at fault for their actions, when you are born you have no personality, you know nothing. How you turn out in life completely relies on how you were raised. When someone murders another person, they do it because it brings them pleasure. Why does it bring them pleasure? Because they were brought up that way.


Omg, here we go with blame the parents crap. A person is soley responsible for thier actions. Not the way they were brought up. That is simply an excuse.

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Posted by: Canadian_MC
i haven't heard of that, when did that happen?


Use quotes so we know what you're talking about.

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Posted by: Bring the Noise
Posted by: Canadian_MC
I was just thinking, how could anyone be at fault for their actions, when you are born you have no personality, you know nothing. How you turn out in life completely relies on how you were raised. When someone murders another person, they do it because it brings them pleasure. Why does it bring them pleasure? Because they were brought up that way.


Omg, here we go with blame the parents crap. A person is soley responsible for thier actions. Not the way they were brought up. That is simply an excuse.
yes but how can you become evil from being totally innocent? I g2g so bi yall.

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Posted by: ajenteks
Posted by: forumrunner
I was trying to illustrate how silly it is to talk about interest in the doctrine being weird in the context of the corrupt. Those twisted -blam!-s aren't part of Christianity in my opinion.


Yes, I just thought that it was obvious. It looks like an illustration is justified though.



Right justified. Funny how you can knock one religion because it is not your own, then when a leader in your religion does something wrong, he is no longer a part of your religion. This thread should be locked, the hypocricy is giving me a headache.

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I might respond if your post made any sense. But it doesn't, so you suck, smelly face.

Seriously, use whole -blam!- sentences. Is it really that hard?

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Posted by: Canadian_MC
Posted by: Bring the Noise
Posted by: Canadian_MC
I was just thinking, how could anyone be at fault for their actions, when you are born you have no personality, you know nothing. How you turn out in life completely relies on how you were raised. When someone murders another person, they do it because it brings them pleasure. Why does it bring them pleasure? Because they were brought up that way.


Omg, here we go with blame the parents crap. A person is soley responsible for thier actions. Not the way they were brought up. That is simply an excuse.
yes but how can you become evil from being totally innocent? I g2g so bi yall.




Nobody is innocent.

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Posted by: ajenteks
Masterbation(yeah, mis-spelt) makes me happy, but if I can have sex and I can help somebody else be happy, the masterbation is a selfish waste.

it is foolish to suggest that spiritual happiness and the sensation achieved through an orgasm have any ties.

Posted by: ajenteks
I merely tried, and failed it seems, to illustrate how reaching the goal of happiness through self-enlightenment isn’t the most productive way to go about it. It's easy to make yourself happy, but why not make other people happy at the same time? This is how Tyler Durden's quote makes sense to me.

easy to make yourself happy, you say? i find this statement to be odd. is the goal to make yourself happy, or to be happy. yes, there is a distinction, but it's best that you discover this for yourself.

How did Buddha’s quest for, and attainment of, enlightenment help the human race? How do monks in a secluded monastery following his teachings make the world a better place?

This is why Buddhism doesn’t appeal to me, because as a philosophy, yes, it can make the world better, but it is taken too far to the point where it’s selfish, and only the individual practitioner is benefiting - self enlightenment. Because of this, Christianity is far more appealing to study.

you seem to have a notion that if one is enlightened, then that person must somehow pass it along to the rest of the world. to seek self-enlightenment is a choice, and cannot be forced upon anyone. it is not the responsibility of the enlightened to open the eyes of others. it is the responsibility of the unenlightened to realize that they are, and to seek what they wish to become. if it were as simple as telling others how to become happy, we would merely have another form of your christianity on our hands.

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Posted by: BadKarma
you seem to have a notion that if one is enlightened, then that person must somehow pass it along to the rest of the world. to seek self-enlightenment is a choice, and cannot be forced upon anyone. it is not the responsibility of the enlightened to open the eyes of others. it is the responsibility of the unenlightened to realize that they are, and to seek what they wish to become. if it were as simple as telling others how to become happy, we would merely have another form of your christianity on our hands.


No, I think there are more important, fundamental needs of a fellow's man that must be met, and self-enlightenment should not be a priority, when famine, ignorance, and violence are rampant.

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Posted by: ajenteks
No, I think there are more important, fundamental needs of a fellow's man that must be met, and self-enlightenment should not be a priority, when famine, ignorance, and violence are rampant.

how can one hope to help others when one cannot help ones' self?

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