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Posted by: Bring the Noise

Ok, so you don't want them to do nothing, but when they do something you are not happy either. Let it go.


When did I say I wasn't happy? I said that what they did does not seem to be very Buddhist to me. Reading comprehension.

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Funny, I didn't see anywhere in your post the word buddhist. I can comprehend that you have no problem whinning like a child, and tearing things down, but have nothing at all to contribute, that coupled with your picture in another thread, is sad.

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I was just thinking, how could anyone be at fault for their actions, when you are born you have no personality, you know nothing. How you turn out in life completely relies on how you were raised. When someone murders another person, they do it because it brings them pleasure. Why does it bring them pleasure? Because they were brought up that way.


Omg, here we go with blame the parents crap. A person is soley responsible for thier actions. Not the way they were brought up. That is simply an excuse.
yes but how can you become evil from being totally innocent? I g2g so bi yall.




Nobody is innocent.
Think about this for a second, if there was a child who grew up learning from his parents that being mean and killing people or causing pain to anything was really bad, do you think the child will beleive his parents. When you are young, you go with what ever you hear from your parents, so at a certain time, I think you are innocent.

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Posted by: Bring the Noise
Funny, I didn't see anywhere in your post the word buddhist. I can comprehend that you have no problem whinning like a child, and tearing things down, but have nothing at all to contribute, that coupled with your picture in another thread, is sad.


LOL! I've been pwnd.

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Posted by: Canadian_MC
Posted by: Bring the Noise
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I was just thinking, how could anyone be at fault for their actions, when you are born you have no personality, you know nothing. How you turn out in life completely relies on how you were raised. When someone murders another person, they do it because it brings them pleasure. Why does it bring them pleasure? Because they were brought up that way.


Omg, here we go with blame the parents crap. A person is soley responsible for thier actions. Not the way they were brought up. That is simply an excuse.
yes but how can you become evil from being totally innocent? I g2g so bi yall.




Nobody is innocent.
Think about this for a second, if there was a child who grew up learning from his parents that being mean and killing people or causing pain to anything was really bad, do you think the child will beleive his parents. When you are young, you go with what ever you hear from your parents, so at a certain time, I think you are innocent.



That's why first grade catholic school children write -blam!- on lockers.

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Posted by: Bring the Noise
Posted by: Canadian_MC
Posted by: Bring the Noise
Posted by: Canadian_MC
Posted by: Bring the Noise
Posted by: Canadian_MC
I was just thinking, how could anyone be at fault for their actions, when you are born you have no personality, you know nothing. How you turn out in life completely relies on how you were raised. When someone murders another person, they do it because it brings them pleasure. Why does it bring them pleasure? Because they were brought up that way.


Omg, here we go with blame the parents crap. A person is soley responsible for thier actions. Not the way they were brought up. That is simply an excuse.
yes but how can you become evil from being totally innocent? I g2g so bi yall.




Nobody is innocent.
Think about this for a second, if there was a child who grew up learning from his parents that being mean and killing people or causing pain to anything was really bad, do you think the child will beleive his parents. When you are young, you go with what ever you hear from your parents, so at a certain time, I think you are innocent.



That's why first grade catholic school children write -blam!- on lockers.
How does that contradict what I just said. Maybe they were brought up wrong. And I am not talking about some words on lockers, I am talking about killing other people and stealing and things like that.

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Posted by: Canadian_MC
How does that contradict what I just said. Maybe they were brought up wrong. And I am not talking about some words on lockers, I am talking about killing other people and stealing and things like that.



There are killers who were brought in good homes, with good, loving parents.

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I guess you are right. Forget what I said.

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You lost me.

But you're trying to prove the point to ME.


are you not trying to prove a point through saying you are trying to prove a point, of course
i am trying to prove a point..

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considering im mormon, yes, 2 more chapters left

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I fail to see how lighting one's self on fire conforms with the whole self-enlightenment philosophy. Unless they only did it for brownie points when they come back.

self-enlightenment is funny that way. there's nothing to conform to. if you didn't already know, and every post you make causes me to believe you know less and less about buddhism, buddhists hold life - in any form - to be sacred. so when a buddhist monk sets themself on fire, there is meaning there, though you may not understand it. your "brownie points" comment displays a fundamental lack of respect for the beliefs of those who have died trying to stop something as heinous as war.
and you took my example on a bit of a tangent, there. your argument was that buddhists do nothing to help their fellow's man. i brought up one example. but, apparantly, giving one's life for others just doesn't cut it anymore. i don't doubt that there are numerous other examples, however since i do not live in a region of the world where buddhism is widely practiced, my exposure to it is limited. and since buddhism does not exert the same media influence as christianity does, it doesn't get much air time either. so, i'm curious to know on what you're basing your conclusions that buddhists do nothing but sit around and meditate, and practice martial arts (i realize you haven't said anything about it, but it was bound to come up).

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and for god's sake, what does "pwn" mean? i'm guessing it's some variation of "own."

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self-enlightenment is funny that way. there's nothing to conform to. if you didn't already know, and every post you make causes me to believe you know less and less about buddhism,


But I am learning.

life is suffering; suffering is caused by craving; it can be ended by removing the cause, which ultimately requires following a path to perfection.


buddhists hold life - in any form - to be sacred. so when a buddhist monk sets themself on fire, there is meaning there, though you may not understand it.


If all life is suffering, does Buddhism recognize non-sentient life? Or animals that only follow instinct?


your "brownie points" comment displays a fundamental lack of respect for the beliefs of those who have died trying to stop something as heinous as war.


Thich Quang Duc was trying to stop the persecution of fellow Buddhists, others on the path to self-enlightenment, by Ngo Dihn Diem's policies.


and you took my example on a bit of a tangent, there. your argument was that buddhists do nothing to help their fellow's man. i brought up one example. but, apparantly, giving one's life for others just doesn't cut it anymore.


Giving one's life for one's philosophy is noble, not helpful to man.


i don't doubt that there are numerous other examples, however since i do not live in a region of the world where buddhism is widely practiced, my exposure to it is limited.


I've been able to discern that Buddhist monasteries have been focal points of social welfare in times of crisis such as natural disasters. That's a very good example, and one that I have to remember from this day forward.

and since buddhism does not exert the same media influence as christianity does, it doesn't get much air time either. so, i'm curious to know on what you're basing your conclusions that buddhists do nothing but sit around and meditate,

Media coverage is almost always in the negative, particularly regarding Christianity as of late. The Buddhists in the Al Gore temple fund raising scandal got air time, so I think it's wrong to cite media influence as an excuse for a lack of information.

My conclusion that Buddhists do nothing but sit around and meditate, lies in the end result of the philosophy, reaching Self-Enlightenment. As I have said since the beginning of this thread, Self-Enlightenment is over-kill, and in the long run does nothing to solve the problems of the world, save that one less person is contributing to those problems. I believe that a common pedestrian who participates in something like Toys for Tots is contributing more to the world.

The world is assumed to exist, but at the same time it doesn't. We must thank those who let us serve them with our mercy, for without them we could not be merciful. Nobody owes anyone anything else. This is where Buddhism and I don't, and won't, agree.

and practice martial arts (i realize you haven't said anything about it, but it was bound to come up).

I see no real relevance for bringing up Martial Arts.

[Edited on 6/9/2004 9:44:13 AM]

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Yeah, it's the 1337 form of "own"

It's only for the red-headed hardcore.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you were pwned again, ajenteks.

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Posted by: ajenteks
Media coverage is almost always in the negative, particularly regarding Christianity as of late.

my issue was with media influence, not coverage. how many christian tv networks are there now?

This is where Buddhism and I don't, and won't, agree.
i guess there's no reason to continue this discussion then.


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Yeah, it's the 1337 form of "own"

yeah, i figured. but what's the story with it? why not mwn, or something else? also, what's w00t?

[Edited on 6/9/2004 10:16:16 AM]

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and in the long run does nothing to solve the problems of the world, save that one less person is contributing to those problems.


Ahhh, then by this logic if everybody was buddhist then there would be no problem, as nobody would be adding problem.

Also, I can't remember any wars started in the name of Buddha. Unlike the christian god(see our ignorant president).

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Posted by: ajenteks
and in the long run does nothing to solve the problems of the world, save that one less person is contributing to those problems.


Ahhh, then by this logic if everybody was buddhist then there would be no problem, as nobody would be adding problem.

Also, I can't remember any wars started in the name of Buddha. Unlike the christian god(see our ignorant president).


The war in Iraq wasn't started by Bush. It's from the jealousy and frustration of the "falling behind" Middle East that we are thrown into this war

Although, if you're from over there, you'd probably think that we, the "infidels", are trying to reach a totalitarian form of religion, and be rid of Islam; neither is true. If anyone is starting a war over religion, then it's the radical Islam "fundamentalists" of the Middle East (Osama, Qaddafi)

Even more to go with the discussion of bad people being brought up in good homes, the terrorists are actually from states that are friendly to the US, making things even more ironic...

And there's my political input, of which I will never speak of again...mods...

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*sighs in disgust*

Edit: I removed my post because political discussion isn't allowed, if you want to debate politics get on msn. Then I can tell you why the Lakers are in trouble :p j/p.

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and in the long run does nothing to solve the problems of the world, save that one less person is contributing to those problems.


Ahhh, then by this logic if everybody was buddhist then there would be no problem, as nobody would be adding problem.

Also, I can't remember any wars started in the name of Buddha. Unlike the christian god(see our ignorant president).


The war in Iraq wasn't started by Bush. It's from the jealousy and frustration of the "falling behind" Middle East that we are thrown into this war

Although, if you're from over there, you'd probably think that we, the "infidels", are trying to reach a totalitarian form of religion, and be rid of Islam; neither is true. If anyone is starting a war over religion, then it's the radical Islam "fundamentalists" of the Middle East (Osama, Qaddafi)

Even more to go with the discussion of bad people being brought up in good homes, the terrorists are actually from states that are friendly to the US, making things even more ironic...

And there's my political input, of which I will never speak of again...mods...




*sighs in disgust*

We weren't thrown into any war. Bush most certainly jumped in, or did you forget WMD's? You know? The one's that weren't there. The one's that the U.N. knew weren't there, right before our cause changed to Iraqi freedom. If anybody cared about Iraqi freedom we would have freed them before September 11th gave us the excuse to invade and occupy this country. Our war was with the taliban, not Iraq. Iraq didn't do anything to constitute invasion, the rest of the world knows it, shame some in our country don't. Yes our enemies are from ally countries. Osama's own brother was having lunch with Bush Sr. in Washington D.C. when the planes hit the WTC. I think some people forget Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorists attacks on our country, had no money, and were no threat to us. Bush actually said God spoke to him and lead him on the path to war in Iraq. If you're from over there you are probably wondering why the U.S. has screwed them over for the past 15 years, and then abbandoned them. We could cure a lot of terrorism by fixing the Israel/Palestine conflict we took part in making worse. Nobody over there thinks we are trying to be rid of Islam. They'd have no reason to think that, I don't know where that came from.

There is a reason the rest of the world hates us. They have good reason to.


The Israel/Palenstine conflict isn't easy enough to fix by doing one thing. The entire Middle East hates Israel, first of all, because they have been puppets to just about every nation in recent history (Soviets, Germany, USA). In Islam, there are sections of people who feel that the whole world needs to be "cleansed" from the evil that the West presents. It isn't exact Christianity, but more of our lifestyle and our non-culture. To them, we are lustful, flakey, and only concerned about the well-being of ourselves. This, along with how they believe that the West is wrongfully influencing their neck of da woods, all contributes to the tension that has been existing for years now.

Yes, America has done some idiotic things in the past (fighting Saddam, and then letting him go, only to slaughter the people that we originally convinced to defy him), but what we are doing now is not based upon religion. Clinton wanted to do the same kind of thing when he was in office, and it had nothing to do with religion. Saddam is one of few people who has enough (bad) influence on the Middle East. One of the major things that the United States has been doing for years now, is preventing the region from turning into a hegemony, ruled by someone like Saddam.

And there are people over there who think that this is a holy war, even though so far anything that we've talked about is political; nothing religious. It'd be impossible to start a war over an individual, or indivdual's, beliefs of religion

* WOMD - Not found, but doesn't mean they never exsisted...
* Liberation to the people of Iraq - done
* Bringing a democratic influence, that isn't hated into the region (Israel) - done

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Posted by: ajenteks
and in the long run does nothing to solve the problems of the world, save that one less person is contributing to those problems.


Ahhh, then by this logic if everybody was buddhist then there would be no problem, as nobody would be adding problem.

Also, I can't remember any wars started in the name of Buddha. Unlike the christian god(see our ignorant president).


The war in Iraq wasn't started by Bush. It's from the jealousy and frustration of the "falling behind" Middle East that we are thrown into this war

Although, if you're from over there, you'd probably think that we, the "infidels", are trying to reach a totalitarian form of religion, and be rid of Islam; neither is true. If anyone is starting a war over religion, then it's the radical Islam "fundamentalists" of the Middle East (Osama, Qaddafi)

Even more to go with the discussion of bad people being brought up in good homes, the terrorists are actually from states that are friendly to the US, making things even more ironic...

And there's my political input, of which I will never speak of again...mods...




*sighs in disgust*

We weren't thrown into any war. Bush most certainly jumped in, or did you forget WMD's? You know? The one's that weren't there. The one's that the U.N. knew weren't there, right before our cause changed to Iraqi freedom. If anybody cared about Iraqi freedom we would have freed them before September 11th gave us the excuse to invade and occupy this country. Our war was with the taliban, not Iraq. Iraq didn't do anything to constitute invasion, the rest of the world knows it, shame some in our country don't. Yes our enemies are from ally countries. Osama's own brother was having lunch with Bush Sr. in Washington D.C. when the planes hit the WTC. I think some people forget Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorists attacks on our country, had no money, and were no threat to us. Bush actually said God spoke to him and lead him on the path to war in Iraq. If you're from over there you are probably wondering why the U.S. has screwed them over for the past 15 years, and then abbandoned them. We could cure a lot of terrorism by fixing the Israel/Palestine conflict we took part in making worse. Nobody over there thinks we are trying to be rid of Islam. They'd have no reason to think that, I don't know where that came from.

There is a reason the rest of the world hates us. They have good reason to.


The Israel/Palenstine conflict isn't easy enough to fix by doing one thing. The entire Middle East hates Israel, first of all, because they have been puppets to just about every nation in recent history (Soviets, Germany, USA). In Islam, there are sections of people who feel that the whole world needs to be "cleansed" from the evil that the West presents. It isn't exact Christianity, but more of our lifestyle and our non-culture. To them, we are lustful, flakey, and only concerned about the well-being of ourselves. This, along with how they believe that the West is wrongfully influencing their neck of da woods, all contributes to the tension that has been existing for years now.

Yes, America has done some idiotic things in the past (fighting Saddam, and then letting him go, only to slaughter the people that we originally convinced to defy him), but what we are doing now is not based upon religion. Clinton wanted to do the same kind of thing when he was in office, and it had nothing to do with religion. Saddam is one of few people who has enough (bad) influence on the Middle East. One of the major things that the United States has been doing for years now, is preventing the region from turning into a hegemony, ruled by someone like Saddam.

And there are people over there who think that this is a holy war, even though so far anything that we've talked about is political; nothing religious. It'd be impossible to start a war over an individual, or indivdual's, beliefs of religion

* WOMD - Not found, but doesn't mean they never exsisted...
* Liberation to the people of Iraq - done
* Bringing a democratic influence, that isn't hated into the region (Israel) - done

There isnt a democratic government in Iraq. The U.S.A. is going to put in some guy as their puppet to lead Iraq.

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Posted by: ajenteks
and in the long run does nothing to solve the problems of the world, save that one less person is contributing to those problems.


Ahhh, then by this logic if everybody was buddhist then there would be no problem, as nobody would be adding problem.

Also, I can't remember any wars started in the name of Buddha. Unlike the christian god(see our ignorant president).


The war in Iraq wasn't started by Bush. It's from the jealousy and frustration of the "falling behind" Middle East that we are thrown into this war

Although, if you're from over there, you'd probably think that we, the "infidels", are trying to reach a totalitarian form of religion, and be rid of Islam; neither is true. If anyone is starting a war over religion, then it's the radical Islam "fundamentalists" of the Middle East (Osama, Qaddafi)

Even more to go with the discussion of bad people being brought up in good homes, the terrorists are actually from states that are friendly to the US, making things even more ironic...

And there's my political input, of which I will never speak of again...mods...




*sighs in disgust*

We weren't thrown into any war. Bush most certainly jumped in, or did you forget WMD's? You know? The one's that weren't there. The one's that the U.N. knew weren't there, right before our cause changed to Iraqi freedom. If anybody cared about Iraqi freedom we would have freed them before September 11th gave us the excuse to invade and occupy this country. Our war was with the taliban, not Iraq. Iraq didn't do anything to constitute invasion, the rest of the world knows it, shame some in our country don't. Yes our enemies are from ally countries. Osama's own brother was having lunch with Bush Sr. in Washington D.C. when the planes hit the WTC. I think some people forget Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorists attacks on our country, had no money, and were no threat to us. Bush actually said God spoke to him and lead him on the path to war in Iraq. If you're from over there you are probably wondering why the U.S. has screwed them over for the past 15 years, and then abbandoned them. We could cure a lot of terrorism by fixing the Israel/Palestine conflict we took part in making worse. Nobody over there thinks we are trying to be rid of Islam. They'd have no reason to think that, I don't know where that came from.

There is a reason the rest of the world hates us. They have good reason to.


The Israel/Palenstine conflict isn't easy enough to fix by doing one thing. The entire Middle East hates Israel, first of all, because they have been puppets to just about every nation in recent history (Soviets, Germany, USA). In Islam, there are sections of people who feel that the whole world needs to be "cleansed" from the evil that the West presents. It isn't exact Christianity, but more of our lifestyle and our non-culture. To them, we are lustful, flakey, and only concerned about the well-being of ourselves. This, along with how they believe that the West is wrongfully influencing their neck of da woods, all contributes to the tension that has been existing for years now.

Yes, America has done some idiotic things in the past (fighting Saddam, and then letting him go, only to slaughter the people that we originally convinced to defy him), but what we are doing now is not based upon religion. Clinton wanted to do the same kind of thing when he was in office, and it had nothing to do with religion. Saddam is one of few people who has enough (bad) influence on the Middle East. One of the major things that the United States has been doing for years now, is preventing the region from turning into a hegemony, ruled by someone like Saddam.

And there are people over there who think that this is a holy war, even though so far anything that we've talked about is political; nothing religious. It'd be impossible to start a war over an individual, or indivdual's, beliefs of religion

* WOMD - Not found, but doesn't mean they never exsisted...
* Liberation to the people of Iraq - done
* Bringing a democratic influence, that isn't hated into the region (Israel) - done

There isnt a democratic government in Iraq. The U.S.A. is going to put in some guy as their puppet to lead Iraq.
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Posted by: ajenteks
and in the long run does nothing to solve the problems of the world, save that one less person is contributing to those problems.


Ahhh, then by this logic if everybody was buddhist then there would be no problem, as nobody would be adding problem.

Also, I can't remember any wars started in the name of Buddha. Unlike the christian god(see our ignorant president).


The war in Iraq wasn't started by Bush. It's from the jealousy and frustration of the "falling behind" Middle East that we are thrown into this war

Although, if you're from over there, you'd probably think that we, the "infidels", are trying to reach a totalitarian form of religion, and be rid of Islam; neither is true. If anyone is starting a war over religion, then it's the radical Islam "fundamentalists" of the Middle East (Osama, Qaddafi)

Even more to go with the discussion of bad people being brought up in good homes, the terrorists are actually from states that are friendly to the US, making things even more ironic...

And there's my political input, of which I will never speak of again...mods...




*sighs in disgust*

We weren't thrown into any war. Bush most certainly jumped in, or did you forget WMD's? You know? The one's that weren't there. The one's that the U.N. knew weren't there, right before our cause changed to Iraqi freedom. If anybody cared about Iraqi freedom we would have freed them before September 11th gave us the excuse to invade and occupy this country. Our war was with the taliban, not Iraq. Iraq didn't do anything to constitute invasion, the rest of the world knows it, shame some in our country don't. Yes our enemies are from ally countries. Osama's own brother was having lunch with Bush Sr. in Washington D.C. when the planes hit the WTC. I think some people forget Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorists attacks on our country, had no money, and were no threat to us. Bush actually said God spoke to him and lead him on the path to war in Iraq. If you're from over there you are probably wondering why the U.S. has screwed them over for the past 15 years, and then abbandoned them. We could cure a lot of terrorism by fixing the Israel/Palestine conflict we took part in making worse. Nobody over there thinks we are trying to be rid of Islam. They'd have no reason to think that, I don't know where that came from.

There is a reason the rest of the world hates us. They have good reason to.


The Israel/Palenstine conflict isn't easy enough to fix by doing one thing. The entire Middle East hates Israel, first of all, because they have been puppets to just about every nation in recent history (Soviets, Germany, USA). In Islam, there are sections of people who feel that the whole world needs to be "cleansed" from the evil that the West presents. It isn't exact Christianity, but more of our lifestyle and our non-culture. To them, we are lustful, flakey, and only concerned about the well-being of ourselves. This, along with how they believe that the West is wrongfully influencing their neck of da woods, all contributes to the tension that has been existing for years now.

Yes, America has done some idiotic things in the past (fighting Saddam, and then letting him go, only to slaughter the people that we originally convinced to defy him), but what we are doing now is not based upon religion. Clinton wanted to do the same kind of thing when he was in office, and it had nothing to do with religion. Saddam is one of few people who has enough (bad) influence on the Middle East. One of the major things that the United States has been doing for years now, is preventing the region from turning into a hegemony, ruled by someone like Saddam.

And there are people over there who think that this is a holy war, even though so far anything that we've talked about is political; nothing religious. It'd be impossible to start a war over an individual, or indivdual's, beliefs of religion

* WOMD - Not found, but doesn't mean they never exsisted...
* Liberation to the people of Iraq - done
* Bringing a democratic influence, that isn't hated into the region (Israel) - done

There isnt a democratic government in Iraq. The U.S.A. is going to put in some guy as their puppet to lead Iraq.
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[quote]Posted by: ajenteks
and in the long run does nothing to solve the problems of the world, save that one less person is contributing to those problems.


Ahhh, then by this logic if everybody was buddhist then there would be no problem, as nobody would be adding problem.

Also, I can't remember any wars started in the name of Buddha. Unlike the christian god(see our ignorant president).


The war in Iraq wasn't started by Bush. It's from the jealousy and frustration of the "falling behind" yayyayayayayayayayayayayayayay more pyramids yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah









  • 06.09.2004 3:34 PM PDT
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Try making a Sphinx out of quotes instead.

  • 06.09.2004 3:36 PM PDT
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no [yramids

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Of course it was started by Bush. Bush put saddam in power. Gave him weapons. left him for a few years, then came back and killed him. Circle of life to the americans. The same thing happened with Osama.

  • 06.09.2004 3:37 PM PDT