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Posted by: Canadian_MC
The big bang? i am not talking about how our solar system was made, I'm talking about everything. If you understood what I am saying you could put your high IQ to telling me the answer.


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Horrendous Space Kablooie? very Calvin. VERY Calvin.

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Posted by: Canadian_MC
Are you laughing with me or at me ajenteks?


If you can't tell, why should I?

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WOw you are really cool. What are you laughing at anyways?

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Posted by: TheHaloSaint
Horrendous Space Kablooie? very Calvin. VERY Calvin.

Congratulations, you win three cookies, an apple, and a pair of onions. Have fun!

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Posted by: Canadian_MC
WOw you are really cool.


Ice Water.

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Religious? This looks more philosophical to me.

Anyway...
The world exists for you if you believe in it. Regardless of whether it "really" fits your standard or "real", it's real to you if you believe in it. If you believe that it's not, it's not. Remember, there is no spoon, so the spoon doesn't bend. It's your perception of the hypothetical spoon that bends.

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Posted by: forumrunner
Religious? This looks more philosophical to me.

Anyway...
The world exists for you if you believe in it. Regardless of whether it "really" fits your standard or "real", it's real to you if you believe in it. If you believe that it's not, it's not. Remember, there is no spoon, so the spoon doesn't bend. It's your perception of the hypothetical spoon that bends.


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according to stephen hawkings book a brief history of time it states that there are 24 dimensions and when the big bang occured it created 3 physical dimensions and one time dimension. now the other dimensions are so tightly packed that nothing can physically detect them, we only know they are real through the theory of quantum meachanics and string theory. matter existed before the big bang but it was a colosal sphere of matter and time, matter so hugh we could not imagine, but smaller than the size of a atom, due to gravity, much like a black hole. This thing existed in nothing. and i mean nothing. you might thing there is nothing in space because it is a vacum but you would be wrong. weve now found that anti-particleas and dark matter exist which allows the universe to expand in to nothing. if you are religous this would make sence, if god created life as we know it, there must of been nothing before(like painting a picture, the canvas is blank, devoid of anything) and now that he/she/it has created life we are living and expandeing into nothing. scientists are now researching weather the universe will keep on expanding or will stop and retract causing a big crunch? its very very complicated and i only know the basics, i suggest you reads stephen hawkings books- a brief history of time..........the universe in a nutshell. a lenghty but fasinating read.

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That's really confusing Zobe.

It's really fun when the answers to confusing questions are even more confusing than the questions themselves.

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No kidding, and I would really like Obbiquiet to explain herself, since she seems to know something everyone else doesnt.

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according to stephen hawkings book a brief history of time it states that there are 24 dimensions and when the big bang occured it created 3 physical dimensions and one time dimension.


There could be 24 dimensions. I think saying there ARE 24 dimensions is taking it a bit far.

now the other dimensions are so tightly packed that nothing can physically detect them, we only know they are real through the theory of quantum meachanics and string theory.

I remember reading those self-packed dimensions to be mere possibility. They are nothing more then speculation, and that's the impression I got from reading Hawking's works.

matter existed before the big bang but it was a colosal sphere of matter and time, matter so hugh we could not imagine, but smaller than the size of a atom, due to gravity, much like a black hole.

The concept "before" the big bang is meaningless.

This thing existed in nothing. and i mean nothing. you might thing there is nothing in space because it is a vacum but you would be wrong. weve now found that anti-particleas and dark matter exist which allows the universe to expand in to nothing.

Again you've confused what he's said. There are things known as virtual particles or random quantum fluctuations inside a "vacuum." These could have provided the universe with the initial stuff; dark matter and particle/anti-particle pairs came later.

if you are religous this would make sence, if god created life as we know it, there must of been nothing before(like painting a picture, the canvas is blank, devoid of anything) and now that he/she/it has created life we are living and expandeing into nothing. scientists are now researching weather the universe will keep on expanding or will stop and retract causing a big crunch? its very very complicated and i only know the basics, i suggest you reads stephen hawkings books- a brief history of time..........the universe in a nutshell. a lenghty but fasinating read.

A lot of those ideas are out of date. For instance, Hubble proved that the universe was expanding at an increasing rate due to the increasing red-shift of outlying galaxies.

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Posted by: ObbiQuiet
according to stephen hawkings book a brief history of time it states that there are 24 dimensions and when the big bang occured it created 3 physical dimensions and one time dimension.


There could be 24 dimensions. I think saying there ARE 24 dimensions is taking it a bit far.

now the other dimensions are so tightly packed that nothing can physically detect them, we only know they are real through the theory of quantum meachanics and string theory.

I remember reading those self-packed dimensions to be mere possibility. They are nothing more then speculation, and that's the impression I got from reading Hawking's works.

matter existed before the big bang but it was a colosal sphere of matter and time, matter so hugh we could not imagine, but smaller than the size of a atom, due to gravity, much like a black hole.

The concept "before" the big bang is meaningless.

This thing existed in nothing. and i mean nothing. you might thing there is nothing in space because it is a vacum but you would be wrong. weve now found that anti-particleas and dark matter exist which allows the universe to expand in to nothing.

Again you've confused what he's said. There are things known as virtual particles or random quantum fluctuations inside a "vacuum." These could have provided the universe with the initial stuff; dark matter and particle/anti-particle pairs came later.

if you are religous this would make sence, if god created life as we know it, there must of been nothing before(like painting a picture, the canvas is blank, devoid of anything) and now that he/she/it has created life we are living and expandeing into nothing. scientists are now researching weather the universe will keep on expanding or will stop and retract causing a big crunch? its very very complicated and i only know the basics, i suggest you reads stephen hawkings books- a brief history of time..........the universe in a nutshell. a lenghty but fasinating read.

A lot of those ideas are out of date. For instance, Hubble proved that the universe was expanding at an increasing rate due to the increasing red-shift of outlying galaxies.



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Posted by: Canadian_MC
No kidding, and I would really like Obbiquiet to explain herself, since she seems to know something everyone else doesnt.


A lot of people know what I'm talking about. Don't assume that just because you're clueless everyone else is.

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Cannon you're making me hungry with all your talk of French Fries.

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k, answer my question in the simplest way you can so that my stupid mind can comprehend it.
How can our we get to the middle of the book without a begginning(book being our universe)?
If there was a beginning, what was before that?

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Posted by: TheHaloSaint
Horrendous Space Kablooie? very Calvin. VERY Calvin.

Congratulations, you win three cookies, an apple, and a pair of onions. Have fun!


Darn. Beat me to it.

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Posted by: Canadian_MC
k, answer my question in the simplest way you can so that my stupid mind can comprehend it.
How can our we get to the middle of the book without a begginning(book being our universe)?
If there was a beginning, what was before that?


The Prologue.

*With self-depricating sarcasm* ha ha ha I'm so funny . . . .

Honestly I have no idea.

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Posted by: Canadian_MC
k, answer my question in the simplest way you can so that my stupid mind can comprehend it.
How can our we get to the middle of the book without a begginning(book being our universe)?
If there was a beginning, what was before that?


Here's an answer for you:

The universe is finite, but it has existed forever. It has a begining (big bang) and an perhaps an end. It does not matter. Since time didn't exist before the begining it means the begining exists independently. That means that the universe is existing, in every state and time, all at once.

Do you understand?

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Posted by: Canadian_MC
If there was a beginning, what was before that?

Uhh, nothing?

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There are a lot of intelligent discussions going on in The Flood. I always thought that it was a forum for dumbasses like me to post stupid stuff. I was wrong . . . .

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Posted by: ObbiQuiet
Here's an answer for you:

The universe is finite, but it has existed forever. It has a beginning (big bang) and an perhaps an end. It does not matter. Since time didn't exist before the beginning it means the beginning exists independently. That means that the universe is existing, in every state and time, all at once.

Do you understand?


You say the universe is FINITE, but how would you know? how could anyone know, have we been to or even seen the edge of the universe's existence? no, and of course the universe is existing but thats not at all the question, and the time before the big bang is very important, because supposably, there can't be any sort of explosion with out anything existing before, and if thats true then the big bang wouldn't have been the start of everything, because there would be something before it.

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Posted by: Jason_4_04
Posted by: Canadian_MC
If there was a beginning, what was before that?

Uhh, nothing?
i cant understand how there could be "nuthing"

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Wow! Much has happened while I wasn't looking... or became having happened when I looked back, or whatever...


Posted by: zobe
according to stephen hawkings book a brief history of time it states that there are 24 dimensions and when the big bang occured it created 3 physical dimensions and one time dimension. now the other dimensions are so tightly packed that nothing can physically detect them, we only know they are real through the theory of quantum meachanics and string theory. matter existed before the big bang but it was a colosal sphere of matter and time, matter so hugh we could not imagine, but smaller than the size of a atom, due to gravity, much like a black hole. This thing existed in nothing. and i mean nothing. you might thing there is nothing in space because it is a vacum but you would be wrong. weve now found that anti-particleas and dark matter exist which allows the universe to expand in to nothing. if you are religous this would make sence, if god created life as we know it, there must of been nothing before(like painting a picture, the canvas is blank, devoid of anything) and now that he/she/it has created life we are living and expandeing into nothing. scientists are now researching weather the universe will keep on expanding or will stop and retract causing a big crunch? its very very complicated and i only know the basics, i suggest you reads stephen hawkings books- a brief history of time..........the universe in a nutshell. a lenghty but fasinating read.
It is indeed. I don't like the use of the word "created", though, because of the connotations it has for most of us. It implies a particular causal relationship. I got the impression that the Big Bang is a state of what our spacetime developed from in relation to the system of what it is(was) not. I think of spacetime frames in terms of what I call "reality barriers" for lack of a better term. The Big Bang was in a spacetime... uh... space frame that had less volume than what we sit in now. Our current space is connected to the smaller space of the Big Bang by the intervening states of our space in time- "the"(our; on our side of whatever reality barrier bounds it) spacetime continuum. Put shortly, space just has less volume at the time of the Big Bang. Our spacetime has much less space at that time than at this time.

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You say the universe is FINITE, but how would you know?


Because the universe could be infinite only if it was static or able to contract (which neither are possible).

And, also, try to figure out what I mean by "finite" before you go blabbering.

how could anyone know, have we been to or even seen the edge of the universe's existence? no, and of course the universe is existing but thats not at all the question, and the time before the big bang is very important, because supposably, there can't be any sort of explosion with out anything existing before, and if thats true then the big bang wouldn't have been the start of everything, because there would be something before it.

Wrong again. Tell me, how is it possible for a change to happen if time doesn't exist?

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