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Posted by: Proliator
"LOL.

Are you actually telling me that you are in a position to tell the richest corporation on the planet how to make money?


Sorry, but this MAD success that a re-written Halo 1 would enjoy is totally in your head."



Good grief, did I.Q.'s sharply plummet since yesterday or just yours?

I projected a scenario that would, in fact, make mad money for Microsoft. With a Masters in Business Management, a job in the industry since 1991, and as a qualifying member of Mensa; I am indeed in a position to make an accurate analysis of the market. More so than you, who in fact made such a blatantly uneducated statement as to suggest that you are merely trolling.

Would you like to try again?


I see Mensa dropped their standards then...

It's an old game that is only still appreciated by hardcore fans like us. Your 'projection' is based on thin air. If you had any nous (which apparently is off the curriculum) about you you would see this. But no - that's exactly what I'd expect from the type of guy to study business at university and then, with much hilarity, brag about it.

That's so delicious it has to be fattening.

But no. You want it. So you tell yourself everyone else does too and will pay good money for it. You made a badly unjustified leap there.

Don't get me wrong. I would love it, myself. But unfortunately for us, we aren't everyone. And let me tell you, I may not be in their industry but I very much doubt MS are into 'projections' based on rainbows and pots of gold. But go ahead and keep telling everyone how you know so much better - when it's your company topping a global annual revenue of US $51.12 billion and not MS, I'll graciously admit I was wrong. Sounds like a good deal to me.

  • 12.18.2007 5:14 AM PDT
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I only downloaded it because I don't want to worry about finding, scratching, breaking, or losing the disc. I know it is not live because they said it would be just like the original. And for some reason, people still thought it would xbox live? Do they not read the posts put up by bungie members? I don't know why they even thought they would be possible. First off, you have to put a whole nother button on the front title screen to label xbox live. And you might think that is not doing alot but it is.

You are pretty much destroying an original by trying to upgrade it to your wanting needs. There is a reason for the game to be downloadable in xbox live ARCADE. This is shows it is a classic and should not be chagnged in any way, shape, or live-ness.I am actually ashamed of people who would want it live too. Do you know how much that would ruin the game itself? HALO is meant to be played with friends yes, but friend that come over every once in awhile so they can hang out.

Actually, I think they made the best move for HALO making it downloadable for two purposes.
1)This give your friends a reason to come over and participate in custom games when they are only 2 feet away. I don't know about you, but I miss that since people you don't know you are playing with cuss at you, and they don't even know why they are cussing.
2) since most people now a days own a 360 and thought they had no use for HALO, they can now download and bring the pain by playing with their gaming family as well. I mean what is more rewarding than playing a clasic, playing a classic with people you already hate so you can kill them in the game.

Okay, so I didn't give good enough reasons. All I am saying there is no reason to destroy a classic when a classic is done the right way.

  • 12.18.2007 7:15 AM PDT

"its not the years, its the mileage"

Ah, RhythmKiller, you validate the old saw that personal attacks are the last refuge of the small mind. It is beyond humorous that merely because you disagree with me you have to cast feeble and transparent barbs thinking that this will somehow invalidate my point. It is regretful that your frail ego cannot handle a viewpoint that differs from your own. Yes, while my Masters is in business my Ph.D is not; so your aspersions are as ignorant as you prove yourself to be.

My analysis is based on established industry patterns which can provide accurate prediction. Your rebuttal is based in insipid ignorance. I guess we'll just have to revist this debate in a few years (after a release of the "green" box?) so that you may determine that I am, in fact, correct.

[Edited on 12.18.2007 11:44 AM PST]

  • 12.18.2007 11:43 AM PDT
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Posted by: MommasBodyguard
You are pretty much destroying an original by trying to upgrade it to your wanting needs. There is a reason for the game to be downloadable in xbox live ARCADE. This is shows it is a classic and should not be chagnged in any way, shape, or live-ness.I am actually ashamed of people who would want it live too. Do you know how much that would ruin the game itself? HALO is meant to be played with friends yes, but friend that come over every once in awhile so they can hang out.
For the last time, Halo is not an Xbox Live Arcade title. It is an Xbox Original. Two completely different things, and besides, I wouldn't necessarily associate "classic" with "arcade."

  • 12.18.2007 11:51 AM PDT

Posted by: Master Kim
For the last time, Halo is not an Xbox Live Arcade title. It is an Xbox Original. Two completely different things, and besides, I wouldn't necessarily associate "classic" with "arcade."

I think the argument actually works better with the real name. It is unclear to me how one would interpret Live support or achievements out of the name "Xbox Originals."

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Posted by: SentientGiraffe
I think the argument actually works better with the real name. It is unclear to me how one would interpret Live support or achievements out of the name "Xbox Originals."
My point exactly: People say that "they don't understand" why Microsoft wouldn't implement online multiplayer or Achievements since it's an Xbox Live Arcade title, but that's when I tell them that it isn't one.

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I thouht that u could play haloce on xbox live.Come join my group please.

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I guess it just hurts. they had enough sense to put Bomberman on XBL. but not to put the #1 Xbox game that launched the Xbox as a competative title.apparently its not worthy of having online game play. just pisses me off thinking about it >.<

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Posted by: Tweex
I guess it just hurts. they had enough sense to put Bomberman on XBL. but not to put the #1 Xbox game that launched the Xbox as a competative title.apparently its not worthy of having online game play. just pisses me off thinking about it >.<
No, "apparent" is a horrible word to use. People have wanted online multiplayer over Live for Halo since the Xbox Live service first came out, this is nothing new, dude. Halo is certainly worthy of having online multiplayer, and many people like myself have thought about it; it's just that it's not happening anytime soon due to technical limitations.

  • 12.18.2007 5:12 PM PDT

Posted by: MommasBodyguard
You are pretty much destroying an original by trying to upgrade it to your wanting needs. There is a reason for the game to be downloadable in xbox live ARCADE. This is shows it is a classic and should not be chagnged in any way, shape, or live-ness.I am actually ashamed of people who would want it live too. Do you know how much that would ruin the game itself? HALO is meant to be played with friends yes, but friend that come over every once in awhile so they can hang out.



Okay, so I didn't give good enough reasons. All I am saying there is no reason to destroy a classic when a classic is done the right way.


My problems with Halo 2 include the maps, weapons, viewing angle, health system, lack of fall damage, and graphics (overly busy textures hurt the clarity of the game), but other than that I don't notice too much of a difference in playing a local/System Link game of Halo 2. My problems with the sequels are unrelated to network code or their live functionality. If by some chance, they screw it up, the original game is still available. It just makes this classic available to a greater audience; System Link and local games would still be possible.

  • 12.18.2007 6:06 PM PDT

Posted by: Proliator
Ah, RhythmKiller, you validate the old saw that personal attacks are the last refuge of the small mind.

Somewhat like.... this one, maybe?
Posted by: Proliator
Good grief, did I.Q.'s sharply plummet since yesterday or just yours?


It is beyond humorous that merely because you disagree with me you have to cast feeble and transparent barbs thinking that this will somehow invalidate my point. It is regretful that your frail ego cannot handle a viewpoint that differs from your own.
See above, Mr Kettle. It takes a very specially deluded kind of superiority to note only replies made in kind as being insulting or antagonistic.

My analysis is based on established industry patterns which can provide accurate prediction.
Really? Care to humour me with some detail, assuming there is some? It's just that you made no actual reference to anything at all, let alone 'established industry patterns'. Seems to me you just made a wild assumption, and are now trying to call on knowledge you may possess but didn't in fact apply to defend it.

I guess we'll just have to revist this debate in a few years (after a release of the "green" box?) so that you may determine that I am, in fact, correct.
A lot changes in 'a few years'. I saw no indication at any point you were talking about some indeterminate point years in the future, and not the present. That sounds like backpedalling to me. Do you in fact agree then that it isn't viable right now?

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  • 12.19.2007 3:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: Master Kim
Posted by: Tweex
I guess it just hurts. they had enough sense to put Bomberman on XBL. but not to put the #1 Xbox game that launched the Xbox as a competative title.apparently its not worthy of having online game play. just pisses me off thinking about it >.<
No, "apparent" is a horrible word to use. People have wanted online multiplayer over Live for Halo since the Xbox Live service first came out, this is nothing new, dude. Halo is certainly worthy of having online multiplayer, and many people like myself have thought about it; it's just that it's not happening anytime soon due to technical limitations.


Apparent is the correct term. It is apparent that they dont care, or they would have added it. They have never had a better opportunity to save their original creation. but they didnt. It is apparent that they just want to make new crappy versions of there originally acclaimed video game, and it is also apparent that they have moved away from their original ideals of halo. ie halo 2 and halo 3's blatent spray and pray/water guns game play. I understand that it isn't happening any time soon that is also apparent. and no matter how much I wish that it would, I'm unable to wish it in to exsistance but I shal still try.

  • 12.19.2007 6:28 AM PDT

Posted by: Tweex
Posted by: Master Kim
Posted by: Tweex
I guess it just hurts. they had enough sense to put Bomberman on XBL. but not to put the #1 Xbox game that launched the Xbox as a competative title.apparently its not worthy of having online game play. just pisses me off thinking about it >.<
No, "apparent" is a horrible word to use. People have wanted online multiplayer over Live for Halo since the Xbox Live service first came out, this is nothing new, dude. Halo is certainly worthy of having online multiplayer, and many people like myself have thought about it; it's just that it's not happening anytime soon due to technical limitations.


Apparent is the correct term. It is apparent that they dont care, or they would have added it. They have never had a better opportunity to save their original creation. but they didnt. It is apparent that they just want to make new crappy versions of there originally acclaimed video game, and it is also apparent that they have moved away from their original ideals of halo. ie halo 2 and halo 3's blatent spray and pray/water guns game play. I understand that it isn't happening any time soon that is also apparent. and no matter how much I wish that it would, I'm unable to wish it in to exsistance but I shal still try.


I agree. Apparent is the correct term. But for your own ignorance, rather than Bungie not caring. People have always wanted it on Live. But now, not enough people would pay for a new Halo with X-Box Live. What you fail to realize, after having it shoved in your face, and down your throat, is that they would have to completely re-code the entire game. They would have to add functions, a Matchmaking function(because Lord knows they wouldn't use a server), as well as everything in MM. While they're at it, they would probably re-balance every weapon that you can use, they might make a few new maps(doubtable), and they would most likely do a lot of work to reduce the amount of lag and how much you have to lead your shots(PC & X-Box Connect players know this). So tell me this, how much would this cost? I'll tell you: At least $40. Now, most folks would not pay $40 for a classic game with added Live function, ever if it had new maps and/or weapons. Especially when that same game without Live function is available on X-Box Live marketplace, as well as being a "Best of Platinum Hits", for only $12.

So tell me, why would most people pay [at least] $28 more for X-Box Live capabilities on an old game that's doesn't play as smoothly as its descendents?

  • 12.19.2007 6:51 AM PDT

"its not the years, its the mileage"

RythmKiller, why would I care to humor you further? You've clearly established yourself as a closed-minded hermēneus twisting the simple facts . No, thats not slander, but rather, a Greek term. You could probably google it; online dictionaries take all the fun out of posting in Greek and Latin these days.

In any case, my prediction of it taking a few years is not back-peddling; as you're unsurprisingly wont to insinuate. If you read the thread with a little closer attention to detail and a little less vitriol you'll see that my prediction of a remake would not be until the next gen xbox was released.

Really, things could not be broken down in any simpler fashion for you to attempt to grasp. However, feel free to perpetuate the foolishness you've so far exhibited with further inane blathering. I'm sure if you have the "last word" it will somehow redeem your previous posts. Or perhaps not. No, the preceding are not slanderous allusions either. Merely a simple observation.

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Posted by: chickenlittle
I agree. Apparent is the correct term. But for your own ignorance, rather than Bungie not caring. People have always wanted it on Live. But now, not enough people would pay for a new Halo with X-Box Live. What you fail to realize, after having it shoved in your face, and down your throat, is that they would have to completely re-code the entire game. They would have to add functions, a Matchmaking function(because Lord knows they wouldn't use a server), as well as everything in MM. While they're at it, they would probably re-balance every weapon that you can use, they might make a few new maps(doubtable), and they would most likely do a lot of work to reduce the amount of lag and how much you have to lead your shots(PC & X-Box Connect players know this). So tell me this, how much would this cost? I'll tell you: At least $40. Now, most folks would not pay $40 for a classic game with added Live function, ever if it had new maps and/or weapons. Especially when that same game without Live function is available on X-Box Live marketplace, as well as being a "Best of Platinum Hits", for only $12.

So tell me, why would most people pay [at least] $28 more for X-Box Live capabilities on an old game that's doesn't play as smoothly as its descendents?


I'm done with this forum, I'll let my record speak for me on XBC, as far as your assumptions for the "vast population that wouldn't spend 40 for a classic game" your wrong. plenty of people that loved the original would drop the money and halo 3 to come back to the game they love. tell me I'm wrong you asshat cause I would drop h3 in a second if there were more people on XBC or if it was Server based XBL enabled. but your right Most people won't pay 12 dollers for a game they already have and for wasted HD space. but if it had 2 things, Achievments and XBL they would buy it. and I'm sure it would cost more then 12 dollers but it would worth every penny.

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Posted by: Tweex
Apparent is the correct term. It is apparent that they dont care, or they would have added it. They have never had a better opportunity to save their original creation. but they didnt. It is apparent that they just want to make new crappy versions of there originally acclaimed video game, and it is also apparent that they have moved away from their original ideals of halo. ie halo 2 and halo 3's blatent spray and pray/water guns game play. I understand that it isn't happening any time soon that is also apparent. and no matter how much I wish that it would, I'm unable to wish it in to exsistance but I shal still try.
Let me reiterate what I meant to say. They certainly probably do care, as elaborated by chickenlittle, and I don't doubt that they've given thought and discussion to the matter, but I say again, extremely difficult technical limitations prevent it from happening. It is apparent of the significant design differences between the three Halo titles, but that's for another discussion.

It would be nice if it could happen, and I'm sure Microsoft has given it thought, but don't bash them because you think they don't care.

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All I want for Hanukkah is Halo: CE on 360. For those of you who don't think this is a sound business move...take a vote. I would gladly pay $50-100 for an online version of Halo:CE.

  • 12.19.2007 4:04 PM PDT

Posted by: dirtjew11
All I want for Hanukkah is Halo: CE on 360. For those of you who don't think this is a sound business move...take a vote. I would gladly pay $50-100 for an online version of Halo:CE.

I'm thinking most people in this forum would be willing to pay for a remake, but the question is if other people are also willing. Personally, I might pay $150-$200 for it.

  • 12.19.2007 4:16 PM PDT

"Peace, gentlemen...
Peace is the ultimate goal of the Traxus Project.
Peace not in our time but in the future.
Future generations will benefit from the work begun here today.
Gentlemen, I give you the Traxus Project"

Not to argue with anyone, because I know it's not likely going to happen, but I agree with those last statements heartily.
I'm disappointed, I'll admit.
But I'd pay even more to see a shiny-new iteration of the Marathon series from Bungie.
Microsoft's not going to put that much effort into renovating so many Xbox Originals anyway.

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Posted by: Count Rolland
Microsoft's not going to put that much effort into renovating so many Xbox Originals anyway.
You mean none at all. The idea isn't to change or to expand upon the original game, you know.

  • 12.20.2007 1:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Master Kim
Posted by: Count Rolland
Microsoft's not going to put that much effort into renovating so many Xbox Originals anyway.
You mean none at all. The idea isn't to change or to expand upon the original game, you know.


bingo, it's xbox origionals not xbox improved. as far as halo going live it would require them to implement and entirely new matchmaking system being as one was never constructed before. not to mention the fact that the origional halo, being a system launch game, was never intended to go on xbl and is not coded to do so. bungie is not gonna remake a game, at least not just for something to do.

  • 12.21.2007 1:51 PM PDT

They should bring back online Halo: CE.

Solid Reasons:

1. Like said before, to relive memories.

Today (Like an hour ago) I went to my next door neighbors house, he has Halo: CE, and we split-screened 1v1 for a little.

Side-Winder was more of a flashback than a game. The second I walked into one of the bases, it came to me, when I was 8, or 9, playing with all my other little friends, and just running in there and shooting blindly for kills, it was VERY satisfying to relive such a great memory, it was my first game too.

On battle creek, I went up the ladder to the sniper, and that too, instantly came to my head when I played with my brother and next-door neighbor and camped that ladder, and they'd get mad at me.

2. It will work! People WILL play it, I for one, WILL. Don't change anything about Halo, keep it Halo, just add the option "Xbox Live" to the main menu, and you, bungie, will be a overlord of developers, or entertainment atleast.

3. While we speak I am downloading Halo: CE of the Market Place, just so I CAN play with people who come over, for that very, very, satisfying time. And to mess around in campaign lol, but that shows how much of a chance this game has, for how old it is atleast.

4. Do it.


My last resort is to get it for the Computer on christmas, for the online, and actually, that IS what I am doing. But it won't feel "fun". Mouse + Keyboard + Halo = Not reliving too much of my childhood.


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  • 12.22.2007 7:26 PM PDT
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To play or not to play....

For the hundredth and millionth time.

The point of the older xbox games on Xbox live is for people who may not have played them before. They are exactly as they were when they were originally released. It isn't just Halo CE either.

The games are there as is and simply for people who prefer to have them on the hard drive rather than have to change the disk. Many people have never played those games before and having them on Xbox live is an easy way for some people to get them.

Besides what the heck is wrong with having the games on Xbox live as is? Would you prefer to not have them there at all?

I was thinking about getting the game simply so I could have them on my hard drive but frankly the cost of hard drives makes that option stupendiously out of the question. My original 360 hard drive is around 5 gig or so in size so I would hardly have room for one game let alone the few I actually wanted. Until MS stop ripping us off with over priced hardware and allow us to use our own then features such as this are not really viable in my eyes.

Who would pay hundreds of dollars for a new hard drive of maybe 20 gig or so and then turn around and pay another $10-20 for the games. It works out to be very expensive if you plan to keep the game. Far enough you could delete the game and download it again but who would want to download at least 2 gig every time they wanted to play the game? It actually takes for ever to do it.

Think about it. Hmmm lets say at least $200 for a 20gig hard drive. Each original xbox game is around 4gig. Halo CE is only 2gig but most are around 4gig. so hmmm $200 gives you room for Halo ce and hmmm 4 other originals. Now that works out to be around $40 just for the storage space. Then you need to pay more for the actual game before you download it so add another $10 or so for that. Hmmm $50 for a game I can purchase in the shop for less than $20. Hmmm not real value in my eyes.

Until MS decides to give us a mass storage devices for reasonable cost/s I for one will make do with the actual physical disks. It is a shame really as I would like to purchase the games and have them on my hard drive. It would be handy to simply play them and not have to change disks. However as I mentioned the value of doing it that way is simply far fetched to say the least. This actually applies for all downloadable content. The biggest limitation on it is the cost of storage devices.

MS approved storage is the only stuff that works with the 360 and it is the always far more expensive than anything else I can find. I can get a hundred gig hard drive for less than $100. So why the hell does a 20 gig cost me $200. Well ok in Australia the $20 gig cost $170 but you still see my point. I can purchase hundreds of gigs of normal hardware hard drive for that price.

Hmmm I just noticed the MS approved 120 gig hard drive is around $240 or so. Hmmm now it is starting to sound more interesting. Maybe there is a little hope yet.

I don't mean to sound like I am complaining with all that but seriously 360 hard drives need to be cheap as chips so people will purchase stuff on line without hesitation.

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Posted by: tunA fisH12
My last resort is to get it for the Computer on christmas, for the online, and actually, that IS what I am doing. But it won't feel "fun". Mouse + Keyboard + Halo = Not reliving too much of my childhood.
Mouse + Keyboard + Halo = Making better memories.

  • 12.23.2007 5:20 AM PDT

Posted by: tunA fisH12
My last resort is to get it for the Computer on christmas, for the online, and actually, that IS what I am doing. But it won't feel "fun". Mouse + Keyboard + Halo = Not reliving too much of my childhood.


I'm assuming you could use a controller. Although you'd be at a bit of a disadvantage.

  • 12.24.2007 9:23 PM PDT

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