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Subject: Why do you yanks love guns?
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Before I start getting abuse, i'm not some crazy, racist anti-gun nut! Read the post before you start the putdowns.

I've often marvelled in the forums how many people have actual experieces of weapons and/or actual combat. Coming from Britain guns of any type are a rarity, our police aren't armed, with only a few exceptions (airport police, SWAT etc). However until fairly recently guns were legal in my country. They were outlawed after several highprofile incidents shocked the nation. At a small town called hungerford a mentally ill man killed 16 people and injured many more after a rampage involving a AK47. It led to the banning of automatic weapons. This was followed by the Dunblane Massacre where a man burst into infant school classroom and opened up at the kids. Now all firearms are illegal for the general populace.

However in the US there have been many, many similar incidents yet there seems to be no real national movement to outlaw weapons, i believe the right to bear arms is enshrined within your constitution. Please understand this isn't derogatory (the UK doesn't even have a constitution) but is puzzling. Why do Americans feel the need to maintain weapons, Canada and Mexico aren't exactly renonwed for the aggressive attitude towards other nations and the indians don't really pose a threat to settlers any more. I could understand if it were for recreational purposes, hell i'd like to try hunting myself, but why do you need a fully automatic assualt rifle for deer. Could some one give me an answer without swearing, patronising or death threats...

  • 12.22.2004 8:57 AM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

Hmm. I never really payed attention when I was in England, but now that I thin kabout it, I never did see an armed bobby. Why don't they give them more protection than just the knightsticks? What if some someone tried to rob them with a gun?

[Edited on 12/22/2004 9:19:04 AM]

  • 12.22.2004 9:12 AM PDT
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It's true, it is a problem. UK bobbies are equipped with bullet proof vests, batons and CS gas spray. As the saying goes "if you outlaw guns then only the outlaws have guns" this was proved true recently when three cops were shot recently by an hitman (i'm not joking). But despite this our police don't want to be armed as they feel it would cause an escalation in guncrime as even minor criminals would need to be armed to be successful.

  • 12.22.2004 9:18 AM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

Yeah, plus if a bobby get killed or knocked out his gun would be stolen. That doesen't help things. As for the original question: I dunno. I guess it's just the culture that we americans live in. Especially after 9/11. Everyone wants to feel safe and the easiest way to do that is to buy a huge gun.

  • 12.22.2004 9:21 AM PDT
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Sorry, but that doesn't quite hold true. In the Uk for the past 20 years we had to put up with the threat of Irish terrorism. Firearms were banned before the signing of the cease fire. The IRA attacks weren't quite as large as 9/11 but were just as close to home. Even after an attempt to wipe out the entire government the country didn't run out and turn their home into fortresses

  • 12.22.2004 9:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: MCs Brother
Hmm. I never really payed attention when I was in England, but now that I think about it, I never did see an armed bobby. Why don't they give them more protection than just the nightsticks? What if some someone tried to rob them with a gun?

reminds me of a comedy routine by Robin Williams, dealing with British police and their methods.
"STOP!!! Or i'll say STOP again!"

  • 12.22.2004 9:27 AM PDT
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"STOP!!! Or i'll say STOP again!"

They actually say that...but then they take out their nice shiny new tazers and put 50000 volts of electricity through you.

  • 12.22.2004 9:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: XenoformJAB
"STOP!!! Or i'll say STOP again!"

They actually say that...but then they take out their nice shiny new tazers and put 50000 volts of electricity through you.


Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.....Now that makes more sense. ;)

  • 12.22.2004 9:32 AM PDT
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Actually the tazers are new, we bought them of the New York police!

  • 12.22.2004 9:35 AM PDT
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simple put it is in our constitution and thus far being the most powerful country and all, the constition has worked so we don't want to change it.

  • 12.22.2004 9:38 AM PDT

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Well I kill deer and small animals to show off and eat. Also I feel safer knowing that whule the burgular might have a pistol, I have a very larger auto-matic shotgun under my bed.

  • 12.22.2004 9:38 AM PDT
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Are we talkin' air tazers, or "get up close and stick ya" tazers?

  • 12.22.2004 9:40 AM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

I saw this vid on the internet where this guy got the shoot 'em-tazers in the nuts. Those things have barbs! And then they shocked him. Sucks to be him....

  • 12.22.2004 9:42 AM PDT
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1) Air tazers

2) Generally burglars are small time criminals and therefore unlikely to be armed if guns are difficult to get hold of. I know you might feel safer having a huge shotgun ready for action but pistols are just as deadly. surely if you confront an intruder with a gun with one of your own it's only going to make the situation worse?

  • 12.22.2004 9:45 AM PDT
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yeah, the New York police are too busy using bullets to worry about using tazers. the school police (wannabe cops that keep an eye open for truant kids) where i live have recently been issued tazers. already a 14 year old girl and a 12 year old boy have been tazered. i'm not sure what they did that warranted it, but they must be the most menacing 14 and 12 year old kids ever, to have frightened them so badly.

  • 12.22.2004 9:51 AM PDT

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The cops at my high school are armed with pistols. That reminds me of a funny story.

Last friday, a guy was walking down the hall and a cop was behind him. The cop bumped into him, the guy got all defensive, punched the cop and ran. Right outside the school, another cop had just parked his car. He saw the kid running about five inches parellel to the car and when the kid went by, he slammed the car door in his face. Funniest thing I ever saw. Kid must have flown backwards ten feet. That'll teach him.

  • 12.22.2004 9:54 AM PDT
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HA HA HA police brutality, hilarious!

Why do the cops at your school need guns, are the kids that dangerous?

  • 12.22.2004 9:57 AM PDT
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yup

  • 12.22.2004 10:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: XenoformJAB
HA HA HA police brutality, hilarious!

Why do the cops at your school need guns, are the kids that dangerous?


No. It's a scare tactic. No one wants to risk getting shot.

  • 12.22.2004 10:08 AM PDT
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whoa! somethings wrong! Scare Tactic! What kinda country is it you live in when kids seriously think cops are gonna shoot at dem!

  • 12.22.2004 10:14 AM PDT
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Posted by: MCs Brother
Posted by: XenoformJAB
HA HA HA police brutality, hilarious!

Why do the cops at your school need guns, are the kids that dangerous?


No. It's a scare tactic. No one wants to risk getting shot.


No scaretastic

  • 12.22.2004 10:15 AM PDT
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Sure, i don't want to mess with a ninja. I'm signing out anyway (teatime), but i wouldn't want to cross the politics line. Any posts after this do not have my endorsement if things go bad and i was just curious. Oh well back to playing the game rather than yapping about the harsh realities of the world, see ya all on live...

  • 12.22.2004 10:45 AM PDT

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