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I really don't know why Bungie hasn't confirmed whether or not it will be in Halo 2. If they revealed a BRAND NEW weapon (Covie Carbine), why not confirm/deny the human pistol?

If they leave it out because too many noobs complain about getting owned by it, I'm gonna be PISSED!

[Edited on 6/8/2004 12:04:16 PM]

  • 06.08.2004 12:03 PM PDT
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pistol is too over powered and is basically the only weapon people use, i hope it stays out...

  • 06.08.2004 12:07 PM PDT

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Maybe they havent announced it because it wont be in? The battle rifle basically replaces it anyway. Although in the update it does sound like the weapon being suggested is a pistol burt weaker...

  • 06.08.2004 12:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: BeefySleet
pistol is too over powered and is basically the only weapon people use, i hope it stays out...

Seems totally logical to me, let's take a powerful weapon we use against a terribly powerful foe, and remove it because it's too strong, make sense to me. Way to go kid, way to go.

  • 06.08.2004 12:09 PM PDT
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The power makes sense, it's the scope that doesn't.

  • 06.08.2004 12:11 PM PDT
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Like I mentioned in another topic, if it's even in Halo 2... They probably don't want to mention what they are doing to it just yet...

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If they leave it out because too many noobs complain about getting owned by it, I'm gonna be PISSED!


Not only do I not get owned with it (spawn camping doesn't count, which is only 5% to 15% in my halo CE multiplayer exp. anyway), I usually take out 5 to 7 people per life with that damn gun...

also note that newb, or any variation of it (including ones that mean nothing (aka: "noob")) is an unallowed word on this message board.

If you don't have common sense on what makes weapons overpowered [color=white](including the fact that I recall an article from either OXM or IGN with bungie that they themselfs called the pistol "overpowered" like over a year ago)[/color], then you must not have played FPS's for long enough... I've personally have been playing since the origional Wolfenstein 3D came out...

  • 06.08.2004 12:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: BeefySleet
pistol is too over powered and is basically the only weapon people use, i hope it stays out...

Seems totally logical to me, let's take a powerful weapon we use against a terribly powerful foe, and remove it because it's too strong, make sense to me. Way to go kid, way to go.


he was talking about multiplayer u dumbhsithoel read again!

  • 06.08.2004 12:23 PM PDT
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The pistol wasn't as overpowered on LEgendary because (from what I've heard), Elites carried shields that recharged to the same ammount an overshield can charge too...

That was the only reasons people didn't run threw Halo on Legendary like it was a piece of cake...

  • 06.08.2004 12:26 PM PDT
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Are you a moderator, Fox? Right, I didn't think so...

  • 06.08.2004 12:26 PM PDT
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pistol must stay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
no doubt

  • 06.08.2004 12:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: Keyes86
The power makes sense, it's the scope that doesn't.


I couldn't agree more. How many times do I have to tell you guys? for imformationn of the new retooled pistol (and the brute nade launcher and battle rifle) read First Strike!

  • 06.08.2004 12:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: Zero117
Are you a moderator, Fox? Right, I didn't think so...


I was just telling you, so you would know for the future... I try to inform people whenever I can...

When did I ever state I was a moderator anyway, tell me that? I never did, so don't assume I mented it as so... Nor do I really want to be, I work 75% to 90% of the week and rarely come on, and was never really one that wanted to be (I can never decide on weither things should be allowed to "continue or not". So I preferably don't like being a moderator or administraction after the few times I've been excepted...

[Edited on 6/8/2004 12:35:30 PM]

  • 06.08.2004 12:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Zero117
If they leave it out because too many noobs complain about getting owned by it, I'm gonna be PISSED!


Why? Because you can't play without a pistol, or something? How can you call someone a noob, and then run off and cry about something so stupid?

If you were any good, you wouldn't be worried about not having a pistol. I'm starting to think that you're the only noo...beginner here.

  • 06.08.2004 12:36 PM PDT
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I think the pistol was way to overpowered. If they do have a new pistol they should make its fire rate slower and take away the scope.... and maybe less accurate.

  • 06.08.2004 12:37 PM PDT

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WTF are you talking about? No guns is "over powered." We have a gun in our time, similar to the pistol, it's called a Desert Eagle. It shoots .50 caliber bullets. One shot in the head will kill someone. MC has shields. It takes 3 shots to kill someone. The pistol will return. Every gun will return, Bungie has said that. Sorry to burst your bubble there.

  • 06.08.2004 1:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: fastmatt
WTF are you talking about? No guns is "over powered." We have a gun in our time, similar to the pistol, it's called a Desert Eagle. It shoots .50 caliber bullets. One shot in the head will kill someone. MC has shields. It takes 3 shots to kill someone. The pistol will return. Every gun will return, Bungie has said that. Sorry to burst your bubble there.


OK there is such a thing as balance in games. and unbalanced games suck. regardless of how it would be in real life the designers must make a balance between all weapons. if there is a specific weapon (pistol) that is overpowerful it disrupts the balance in the game. the overpowered weapon becomes the ONLY weapon used. all other weapons are useless because only one weapon is equal to the pistol, another piltol. for this reason weakening and/or removing the scope or simple removing it from the game will restore this balance and help make a batter game.

sorry to burst your bubble

[Edited on 6/8/2004 1:23:04 PM]

  • 06.08.2004 1:22 PM PDT
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I loved using the pistol. The only thing that pissed me off about it was that it was unrealistic. How is it that a pistol has better accuracy at medium distance than a assault rifle? Does the Beretta 92 have better accuracy than the M16 or M4 carbine? Does the Beretta's 9mm round shoot as far as the .226 round used in the M4 and M16? I dont think it does, but I could be wrong.

What Bungie needs to do is to just eliminate the scope, and bring down the distance on it, so that its the perfect weapon for close encounters, and that the rifle will be the weapon people will want to use for medium to short distance shooting. The explosive tip is fine, and it will help balance the gun out compared to the SMG.

  • 06.08.2004 1:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Wasp
I loved using the pistol. The only thing that pissed me off about it was that it was unrealistic. How is it that a pistol has better accuracy at medium distance than a assault rifle? Does the Beretta 92 have better accuracy than the M16 or M4 carbine? Does the Beretta's 9mm round shoot as far as the .226 round used in the M4 and M16? I dont think it does, but I could be wrong.

What Bungie needs to do is to just eliminate the scope, and bring down the distance on it, so that its the perfect weapon for close encounters, and that the rifle will be the weapon people will want to use for medium to short distance shooting. The explosive tip is fine, and it will help balance the gun out compared to the SMG.


the accuracy of a pistol all depends on the person wielding it. however you have to take into account the firing rate of the assault rifle in halo. 60 rounds in 10 seconds i think. an m16 as well as an m4 are both semi-automatic. and in full automatic are in fact very inaccurate. for this reason i believe that the m16 is only used in 3 rounds burst or semi-autmatic.

i STRONGLY agree to removing the scope and decreasing the accuracy at long ranges.

  • 06.08.2004 1:33 PM PDT
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i love to use the pistol but i do think they should tone it down a little. people have sniped me more with the pistol than the sniper rifle and because u cant see where its coming from either. i like the pistol and all its just matches revovle around mainly the pistol from what i have played. its getting kind of old.

  • 06.08.2004 1:33 PM PDT
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If we are talking about over power what about the rocket launcher, one shot, but there is only one on the map(unless playing all rockets) pistol takes three shots(if you are good enough that is) but there are only two in a level, unless you start with them, in that case everyone has it so there is balance. I think it should be left the same.

  • 06.08.2004 1:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Wasp
I loved using the pistol. The only thing that pissed me off about it was that it was unrealistic. How is it that a pistol has better accuracy at medium distance than a assault rifle? Does the Beretta 92 have better accuracy than the M16 or M4 carbine? Does the Beretta's 9mm round shoot as far as the .226 round used in the M4 and M16? I dont think it does, but I could be wrong.

What Bungie needs to do is to just eliminate the scope, and bring down the distance on it, so that its the perfect weapon for close encounters, and that the rifle will be the weapon people will want to use for medium to short distance shooting. The explosive tip is fine, and it will help balance the gun out compared to the SMG.


I agree, the fact that it had excellent accuracy for a gun with no damn barrel was downright unrealistic... the origional pistol was going to look actually "cool" before it was changed IMO...

I also agree on how it should be changed... It should be what pistols are designed for, close quarters combat... Not an explosive tip, semi-auto sniper rifle that it was in Halo.

Down the accuracy and lose the scope and I'll be happy...

  • 06.08.2004 1:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: Baughb
If we are talking about over power what about the rocket launcher, one shot, but there is only one on the map(unless playing all rockets) pistol takes three shots(if you are good enough that is) but there are only two in a level, unless you start with them, in that case everyone has it so there is balance. I think it should be left the same.


please think before posting. the rocket is slow moving and leaves a trail of smoke. it also holds only 2 shots perclip and fires the two shots over about 3 seconds, it is VERY balanced.

[Edited on 6/8/2004 1:39:23 PM]

  • 06.08.2004 1:38 PM PDT
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and both reloading and melee are both exceptionally slow as well...

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I agree about the pistold being way to accurate. Its a friggin pistol! Pistols are not accurate. I agree it should lose effectiveness at mid range (accuracy wise), but would make a good close range weapon, especially with dual weilding. So yes, lose the scope and accuracy. We have the BR for that and it makes more sense.

  • 06.08.2004 1:40 PM PDT
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Yes but everyone starts with the pistol, so how is this unbalanced? And if you don't start with it, there are only two placed on the map, and some they are placed right next to each other and when you pick it up chances are you pick up the other one as well. This is balanced.

  • 06.08.2004 1:41 PM PDT

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