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its unblanced because u start out with it and there fore nobody ever bothers to get other guns they just use the pistol!!! (that was a bit of a hyperbole but it is pretty true)

  • 06.08.2004 1:45 PM PDT
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Because other guns suck at one point or another when in comparison with the pistol...

We want Halo 2 to have it that everyone weapon will be used, not just one...

  • 06.08.2004 1:46 PM PDT
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all of you people who love using the same weapon over and over and over just piss me off, for christ sake it gets kinda boring just using the pistol ALL the time, im gonan be extremely glad that the pistol has been weakened because frankly, i want to use a different assortment of weapons, instead of that stupid piece of boring crap

  • 06.08.2004 1:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: nygriss plz
all of you people who love using the same weapon over and over and over just piss me off, for christ sake it gets kinda boring just using the pistol ALL the time, im gonan be extremely glad that the pistol has been weakened because frankly, i want to use a different assortment of weapons, instead of that stupid piece of boring crap


but if you dont use it you will lose and as much as I hate the pistol I have to use it to suceed there's winning and losing and I would rather win no matter what the cost

  • 06.08.2004 1:58 PM PDT
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I don't know about multiplayer, but the pistol basicallly rocks. it can handle every enemy in the game on it's own (except elites). It's just a good, trusty, reliable weapon that Bungie had better include in Halo 2 or else I might......................get really mad.(I need to work on my threats)

  • 06.08.2004 1:59 PM PDT
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i think that the pistol should be in H2 because I get the most head shoyts with it.

  • 06.08.2004 2:01 PM PDT
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boy if u have to use the pistol to win u r a pretty sorry player then. (no offense) when u look at it what other wepon is as well-rounded as the pistol?

[Edited on 6/8/2004 2:02:20 PM]

  • 06.08.2004 2:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shadow_WarriorX
but if you dont use it you will lose and as much as I hate the pistol I have to use it to suceed there's winning and losing and I would rather win no matter what the cost


well yeah i know but, its just i want to use other weapons, ont the same thing...over...and over....and over

  • 06.08.2004 2:03 PM PDT
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Ok, lets talk about it's power.

The M6D pistol fires 12.7mm, semi-armor piercing, high explosive rounds (this was taken directly from the manual and novels). In the Halo world, the pistol is a very effective weapon...just like in the game. It comes with a smart-linked scope (from the manual and novels) that is used to engage enemies at long range.

The MA5B fires 7.62mm armor piercing rounds. Now, some of you may think that a 5.08mm size increase in the round is minor...and those some of you would be wrong. The MA5B assault rifle is not a powerful weapon...why?...because it has such a large magazine (60 rounds).

Anyway you look at it, the pistol fires huge and powerful rounds. Its not just because thats how it is in the game, thats how it is in the Halo story. People say "tone it down", "too unrealistic", or "take off the scope". I say this to you: GO CRY A BIG LONG RIVER!!! If you don't know how to use the pistol, you suck at the pistol, or get owned by the pistol...TOO DAMN BAD! LEARN HOW TO USE IT!!! Don't take an awesome weapon out of the game for reasons like that (-blam!-ing and moaning and complaining).

PS: In First Strike, there is a bigger and stronger version of the M6D (which you probably already know, if not, go read it!). If theres a bigger and stronger version of the M6D in Halo 2......I can already hear you guys crying about it. Bungie, DO NOT TAKE OUT THE HUMAN PISTOL!!!!

[Edited on 6/8/2004 3:17:23 PM]

  • 06.08.2004 3:14 PM PDT
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The pistol is not overpowered in multiplayer. I always go for the plasma pistol too by the way. You can always change starting weapons too. Also, for whoever called me a dumb -blam!-hole, I knew what I was talking about. Nice shot, swing and a miss.

  • 06.08.2004 3:28 PM PDT
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Yeah but in first strike it doesn't have a scope making it more rounded. Any way It's not that we suck at using the pistol it is my weapon of choice in MP and I'm pretty good at problem is everybody is and that is all anybody uses especially on indoor maps. We need a diferrent gun and fast especially when dual wielding comes in dual wielding pistols that is going to suck if they don't change it, it will be a one hit kill with long range capabillities making it the best weapon in the game and I say no to that.

  • 06.08.2004 3:30 PM PDT
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First off I want to say the pistol in Halo is used for sniping that is why when you pick just sniper weapons its the sniper rifle pistol and rocket launcher(i think) If a weapon is going to have a scope for sniping then ofcourse its going to have good accuracy and power.Its just like the sniper rifle with a little less power and a little less distance.When Im fighting someone one with a pistol at close range I use the Plasma rifle to slow them down go around them and kill them which I think is pretty balanced. Anyone agrees with me?

  • 06.08.2004 3:30 PM PDT
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All you pistol lovers read this and cry it is from frankies weekly update.

I also animated the first-person pistol (both single and dual shot), so that should be in the game and working now…it looks pretty cool, but it’s definitely a lot weaker than the first game and it has no scope now, so people are probably going to piss and moan. Oh well, all’s fair in the cruel world of gameplay balance.

  • 06.08.2004 3:32 PM PDT
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what did i say go look at it. i said it was all about balance. everything needs to be balanced. and now hopefully it will be. there will be no forgotten weapons hopefully everything will be used equally.

  • 06.08.2004 3:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: Zero117
Ok, lets talk about it's power.

The M6D pistol fires 12.7mm, semi-armor piercing, high explosive rounds (this was taken directly from the manual and novels). In the Halo world, the pistol is a very effective weapon...just like in the game. It comes with a smart-linked scope (from the manual and novels) that is used to engage enemies at long range.

The MA5B fires 7.62mm armor piercing rounds. Now, some of you may think that a 5.08mm size increase in the round is minor...and those some of you would be wrong. The MA5B assault rifle is not a powerful weapon...why?...because it has such a large magazine (60 rounds).

Anyway you look at it, the pistol fires huge and powerful rounds. Its not just because thats how it is in the game, thats how it is in the Halo story. People say "tone it down", "too unrealistic", or "take off the scope". I say this to you: GO CRY A BIG LONG RIVER!!! If you don't know how to use the pistol, you suck at the pistol, or get owned by the pistol...TOO DAMN BAD! LEARN HOW TO USE IT!!! Don't take an awesome weapon out of the game for reasons like that (-blam!-ing and moaning and complaining).

PS: In First Strike, there is a bigger and stronger version of the M6D (which you probably already know, if not, go read it!). If theres a bigger and stronger version of the M6D in Halo 2......I can already hear you guys crying about it. Bungie, DO NOT TAKE OUT THE HUMAN PISTOL!!!!


1. I could care less about what gibberish they wrote about it, in a game how it acts in game is what matters (and more importantly, how balanced it was with the other weapons)

2. From what I've heard (I have yet to finish the third book), the new pistol will actually have negative aspects to it (very low bullets per clip and rate of fire). Unlike the super pistol in Halo...

  • 06.08.2004 3:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: ZERIAN
First off I want to say the pistol in Halo is used for sniping that is why when you pick just sniper weapons its the sniper rifle pistol and rocket launcher(i think) If a weapon is going to have a scope for sniping then ofcourse its going to have good accuracy and power.Its just like the sniper rifle with a little less power and a little less distance.When Im fighting someone one with a pistol at close range I use the Plasma rifle to slow them down go around them and kill them which I think is pretty balanced. Anyone agrees with me?


A gun with an itty bitty barrel should not be classified as a sniper rifle, the pistol is a sniper rifle wanna be...

  • 06.08.2004 3:41 PM PDT
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how bout making it a semi-automatic? i mean, people say it has a good rate of fire but i dont think it has, and i dont care what the specs. are for it, i think that it should have a higher rate of fire but very low accuracy at the same time. i also agree with the removal of scope and explosive tips.
also the velocity of the bullet, did any one notice how slow the rounds traveled? it was like a 0.5 second delay at mid range, i thought it was supposed to be instantanious, probably due to balance.

  • 06.08.2004 4:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: madmeater
how bout making it a semi-automatic? i mean, people say it has a good rate of fire but i dont think it has, and i dont care what the specs. are for it, i think that it should have a higher rate of fire but very low accuracy at the same time. i also agree with the removal of scope and explosive tips.
also the velocity of the bullet, did any one notice how slow the rounds traveled? it was like a 0.5 second delay at mid range, i thought it was supposed to be instantanious, probably due to balance.


Raising the rate of fire would just put it in contention with the SMG, even though the SMG fires caseless instead of explosive tipped. If you keep at its current firing rate, keep the explosive tips, and lose the scope then it wouldnt be stepping on the SMG.

BTW, has anyone brought up the idea of just making the pistol the only silenced weapon, to give it an advantage over the other weapons in the human arsenal?

  • 06.08.2004 4:10 PM PDT
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yea, a silencer would go with the new espionage abilities, just to shut up the grunt who has just seen you, without alerting everyone else to attack you. and point taken on the SMG thing although i dont mean increasing the rof by THAT much

  • 06.08.2004 4:27 PM PDT
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All you people who are saying, "the pistol is not overpowered, your just noobs," are to arrogant to see that it is overpowered. Im not saying take away the pistol, but take away the scope and accuracy. It can still do the same amount of damage but it just has less accuracy and no scope.

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Yes but everyone starts with the pistol, as well. This is balanced.


Yeah but it's the only weapon anyone uese and it renders any other weapon useless.

[Edited on 6/8/2004 5:21:47 PM]

  • 06.08.2004 5:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: bentfishy
boy if u have to use the pistol to win u r a pretty sorry player then. (no offense) when u look at it what other wepon is as well-rounded as the pistol?


why should I put myself at a disadvantage? I could also not use the Rocket Launcher cause thats "whoring" or not defend the flag cause it was camping the pistol was part of the game and was overpowered but I used it and play me on XBconnect and use a needler or a AR or a plasma pistol on me if im such a sry player LOL I have been playing Halo since 2002 Ledgendary is laughable now its no longer a challenge (I beat AotCR without dieing once!) I have been playing over xbconnect for a year now and there are few players better than me and all those players are pistol whores (I have not faced a sniper that was better than me yet!)

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Posted by: Zero117
Ok, lets talk about it's power.

The M6D pistol fires 12.7mm, semi-armor piercing, high explosive rounds (this was taken directly from the manual and novels). In the Halo world, the pistol is a very effective weapon...just like in the game. It comes with a smart-linked scope (from the manual and novels) that is used to engage enemies at long range.

The MA5B fires 7.62mm armor piercing rounds. Now, some of you may think that a 5.08mm size increase in the round is minor...and those some of you would be wrong. The MA5B assault rifle is not a powerful weapon...why?...because it has such a large magazine (60 rounds).

Anyway you look at it, the pistol fires huge and powerful rounds. Its not just because thats how it is in the game, thats how it is in the Halo story. People say "tone it down", "too unrealistic", or "take off the scope". I say this to you: GO CRY A BIG LONG RIVER!!! If you don't know how to use the pistol, you suck at the pistol, or get owned by the pistol...TOO DAMN BAD! LEARN HOW TO USE IT!!! Don't take an awesome weapon out of the game for reasons like that (-blam!-ing and moaning and complaining).

PS: In First Strike, there is a bigger and stronger version of the M6D (which you probably already know, if not, go read it!). If theres a bigger and stronger version of the M6D in Halo 2......I can already hear you guys crying about it. Bungie, DO NOT TAKE OUT THE HUMAN PISTOL!!!!


I agree ppl complain just to cover up their lack of skills (I cnat believe how many n00bs Ive heard complain about lag when no one else said anything). Me being a Sniper by nature I really disliked the pistol but I never complained about it I just found ways to battle them using tatics and skill ppl need to shut up or put up and quit your complaining

  • 06.08.2004 5:41 PM PDT

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Well, someone said that the pistol is more accurate than the assault rifle in halo. Well, the assault rifle shoots bullets in a circle, like the chaingun on the 'hog, so it's less accurate. The battle rifle/pistol is more accurate because it fires in a straight line.

  • 06.08.2004 5:59 PM PDT
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Shadow, get over yourself. Winning a few games in LAN parties, Halo PC especially or on XBC doesn't mean anything. Besides, trying to impress me over the internet is downright pathetic.

Now, I'll explain why people use the pistol so much, since it is just so terribly hard to understand.

The pistol is what you'd call a mid range weapon. You can shoot up to 120meters and it remains very accurate at about 100 meters. Other weapons are capable of shooting up to similar ranges (AR has the same range and shotgun and plasma rifle go up to 100 meters). These weapons, with the exception of the sniper rifle, however are rarely effective past 50meters. Ok, you know all these ranges and you're thinking 'Ok, so what?' well I'll tell you.
Where do the majorities of gunfights start? Mid to long range. Most of the time the people you see are out of the effective range of the majority of weapons. Is this sinking in? People use the pistol so often not because it's 'uber powerful' (you won't stand a chance at close range against somebody with a plasma rifle unless your name happens to be Ogre-1), but rather because it's the most effective weapon at the most common range people engage one another. The pistol is the ONLY weapon effective past 50m besides the sniper rifle. It's not the pistol's overpowering, but because the other weapons can't hit anything past your nose. Now, please, stop calling the pistol unbalanced because there is no other weapon intended for its range that you can compare it to.

Alright, so there you have it. People like the pistol, which is actually a well rounded weapon, because it's the only one that is ideal for the range most shootouts are at. Other weapons are balanced out with it (with the possible exception of the AR or needler, both of which have pretty much gotten the shaft from Bungie) because they can demolish somebody with a pistol at close range. Likewise, past 120M you'll never hit a sniper with a pistol nomatter how hard you try.

There are no overpowered weapons in Halo. There are only the AR and needler wich are in desperate need of some help. The stopping power of the pistol makes sense considering it's explosive nature and high-calibur, and it's effecacy at range is a moot point because no other weapons are designed for long range but the sniper rifle.

  • 06.08.2004 6:13 PM PDT

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