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Subject: Do you still care about Halo2Sucks.com?

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

If anyone has even noticed, h2s.com has been silenced... at least on that domain.

I was recruiting people for a new forum, and the instant they saw in my description Halo2sucks.com as the origin of the site, they shut me out.

I just want to know how many of you people still hate the site or think of it in a stereotypical manner. How many of you think we sit around all day complaining about a 3 year old game? Before any of you answer the questions. Go to the forums, read our posts and conversations, and then judge the community. I really want to get people to join the new site, but if people are still sore about a dumb name we had no control over, then please tell me.

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  • 12.05.2007 8:40 AM PDT
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Halo 2 was good, I take great offense! They must change their url to Halo3Sucks.com this instant! Then I will sign up and be a part of their community.

  • 12.05.2007 8:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
If anyone has even noticed, h2s.com has been silenced... at least on that domain.

I was recruiting people for a new forum called HaloMonks.net, and the instant they saw in my description Halo2sucks.com as the origin of the site, they shut me out.

I just want to know how many of you people still hate the site or think of it in a stereotypical manner. How many of you think we sit around all day complaining about a 3 year old game? Before any of you answer the questions. Go to the forums, read our posts and conversations, and then judge the community. I really want to get people to join the new site, but if people are still sore about a dumb name we had no control over, then please tell me.
eh... I never cared about halo2sucks.com. But I would say that when I hear it, I think about all the little whiners in the Halo forums, so it doesn't exactly bring up pleasant images.

So... even though I've never had any sort of grudge against the site, I would say that if you want to be taken seriously, then you should probably try to associate your new site with it as little as possible.

  • 12.05.2007 8:47 AM PDT

Do you really want us to discuss another Halo site, or are you soliciting for new members?

Either way, Halo2sucks.com is even more irrelevant than it used to be for obvious reasons. The only people I knew who frequented that forum were the ones who got permabanned here.

  • 12.05.2007 9:22 AM PDT
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I never did care about it in the first place.

  • 12.05.2007 10:49 AM PDT

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I never did care about it in the first place.

No kidding.

  • 12.05.2007 10:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
I could not understand the reason to have such a huge emotional investment in something that was (to me) clearly a matter of choice, of taste, of personal preference. I also couldn't understand the desire (of either camp) to convert or convince anyone who disagreed of the "rightness" of a particular view, especially when the central point was a matter of choice, taste, personal preference and experience.

I have a single word that defines why they could not see others point of views.
Arrogance.

  • 12.05.2007 11:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: atomic weggie
Do you really want us to discuss another Halo site, or are you soliciting for new members?

Either way, Halo2sucks.com is even more irrelevant than it used to be for obvious reasons. The only people I knew who frequented that forum were the ones who got permabanned here.
H2S has proven to be largely relevant, despite Bungie's efforts to make it seem otherwise. Frankie, in particular, has been a real jerk to the community there, making us out to be whiners who claimed to hate the game but played hours on it. Well it was kinda the biggest game on Xbox Live and I can't exactly find a lot of good connections on Xbox Connect in Hawaii. Not to mention the improvements Halo 2 had because of its release date (features brought on by two years of Live experience, team switching, betrayal booting, and genuinely good ideas to add to the Halo formula like vehicle boarding and greatly expanded custom game support), so there was a reason for his observations and just because people played it doesn't mean it was great.

H2S.com's relevance has also been greatly proven by Halo 3. What changes were made to Halo 3 from Halo 2? Well mostly things that H2S complained about, the things that Bungie claimed weren't an issue. And I obviously haven't been permabanned and posted there fairly regularly.

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I remember troublemakers from their community and our community going to the "other" side to talk bad about the other community and it's views (in essence, trolling). Dark days, they be.

Now, I really don't care. They had a handful of members make them look bad, but to even say that they wanted improvement in Halo is a laugh. Why use the domain name Halo2Sucks if you're not trying to be inflammatory? I remember a guy from the H2S came to the Septagon to say that we shouldn't go over there and troll (I never did, fyi) because all they wanted was to improve Halo (or something like that). I remember a small "rant" from Achronos where at the end he said something along the lines of "don't act like you're being oppressed; you're not."

The thing is, that may have been the case. The H2S probably sought for improvement, but the handful of bad apples from their community came over here and gave their whole community a bitter taste. I'm sure plenty of our bad apples were over there ruining their discussion, too. Forum wars suck.

Dark days...

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  • 12.05.2007 11:59 AM PDT

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We most certainly did want to improve the Halo series. Bungie ruined a lot of great things from Halo with Halo 2. I remember a comment that went something along the lines of "We can't wait until guys like Randal Glass get their hands on this game," in reference to Halo 2's physics engine and vehicle damage. Well Randal Glass did the original hog jump video on Silent Cartographer and Halo 2's physics and vehicle damage made it all but impossible to replicate such a feat.

We wanted improvement in the game and having Bungie.net full of the usual "Halo 2 rocks, Bungie's the greatest ever" (sorry, I don't do n00b-speak) posts from kids were not going to do anything to benefit the series. Still no party searching, but missing capabilities like that were silenced across the board by overzealous fans. Hell, we still get attacked by forum-goers whenever party searching is brought up, and it's such a simple request that triggers such a passionate response to its mere suggestion. H2S definitely had a purpose, and I'd say it served that purpose fairly well.

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  • 12.05.2007 12:53 PM PDT
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You have the domain name Halo2sucks and expect not to get flamed?
Smart.

  • 12.05.2007 1:07 PM PDT

Posted by: RoadDoggFL
H2S.com's relevance has also been greatly proven by Halo 3. What changes were made to Halo 3 from Halo 2? Well mostly things that H2S complained about, the things that Bungie claimed weren't an issue. And I obviously haven't been permabanned and posted there fairly regularly.


I'm not going to get into a lengthy debate on the the pros and cons of Halo 2 and 3. I have enjoyed each game for their own merits, which is I think your problem..........trying to put Halo 2 into a Halo CE box, when in fact H2 is it's own game and shouldn't be compared to Halo CE.

You of course have the right to your opinions, as do the rest of the members of Halo2sucks.com. But let me ask you this RoadDogg, why spend so much time debating, arguing and complaining about a game you don't enjoy? Just seems silly to dediciate an entire forum and group to trying to drag a video game through the mud. Your time would be better spent playing games you do enjoy, rather than wasting time talking about the games you don't.

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Posted by: RoadDoggFL
We wanted improvement in the game and having Bungie.net full of the usual "Halo 2 rocks, Bungie's the greatest ever" (sorry, I don't do n00b-speak)
posts from kids were not going to do anything to benefit the series. Still no party searching, but missing capabilities like that were silenced across the board by overzealous fans. Hell, we still get attacked by forum-goers whenever party searching is brought up, and it's such a simple request that triggers such a passionate response to its mere suggestion. H2S definitely had a purpose, and I'd say it served that purpose fairly well.


Several people have brought up party searching and not been flamed. The Halo2Sucks community wasn't the only community asking for things. You guys just went about it differently than a lot of people. The representation of your community (for those of us who decided not to go there) were the whiners with baseless arguments and spammed up our forums. They are the ones who drowned out your "reason". Why should anyone take your opinion seriously when people like that are what represent you?

Like Weggie said, both games had their own merits. I thought Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo 2 were fun. There were things I didn't like in Halo: Combat Evolved that I didn't like and there were things in Halo 2 that I didn't like, but they're both great games in their own right. A lot of community input was taken from Bungie.net, not Halo2Sucks.com (maybe some of it was, but don't think all the "credit" goes to your community).

  • 12.05.2007 2:40 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

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Posted by: RoadDoggFL
H2S.com's relevance has also been greatly proven by Halo 3. What changes were made to Halo 3 from Halo 2? Well mostly things that H2S complained about, the things that Bungie claimed weren't an issue. And I obviously haven't been permabanned and posted there fairly regularly.


I'm not going to get into a lengthy debate on the the pros and cons of Halo 2 and 3. I have enjoyed each game for their own merits, which is I think your problem..........trying to put Halo 2 into a Halo CE box, when in fact H2 is it's own game and shouldn't be compared to Halo CE.

You of course have the right to your opinions, as do the rest of the members of Halo2sucks.com. But let me ask you this RoadDogg, why spend so much time debating, arguing and complaining about a game you don't enjoy? Just seems silly to dedicate an entire forum and group to trying to drag a video game through the mud. Your time would be better spent playing games you do enjoy, rather than wasting time talking about the games you don't.

Funny thing is many of our members think the same way you do, like me for example. There are always differing opinions, even among those who agree on many things. We may have all thought Halo 2 sucked alot, but most of us different and more personal reasons than others. Our community has people on both sides of every argument usually. We even have Halo 2 fans who are dedicated to defending it with logic. I have even seen some of the most hardcore Halo CE fans go so far as to say they had more fun with Halo 2 than Halo 3, simply because the gametypes and maps were much better.

Posted by: Nitro378
You have the domain name Halo2sucks and expect not to get flamed?
Smart.

I think its smarter for people to judge the community by participating in it. If anyone knows that, it should be these members. Anyone who came here during the Halo 2 rush would certainly know that the community was vicious on the surface. But once you went into the background and actually started participating in the community, you found the gems and the greatness it had.

The only reason we dealt with the domain was the delusion that if someone was stupid enough to judge the site based on the front page, which plainly said it was not serious nor a representation of our actual views, they didn't deserve to be a part of the community.

The ones who came to the site and flamed us at first but stayed are now some of our best and most dedicated members. We encourage challenge to our viewpoints, because without apposing views you get a lack of conversation. We welcomed new members with open arms, unless they came to spam, troll or hack our community.

And about the arrogance comment... thats just attacking something you know nothing about.

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
And about the arrogance comment... thats just attacking something you know nothing about.

Posted by: NinjAg
I remember troublemakers from their community and our community going to the "other" side to talk bad about the other community and it's views (in essence, trolling). Dark days, they be.

Now, I really don't care. They had a handful of members make them look bad, but to even say that they wanted improvement in Halo is a laugh. Why use the domain name Halo2Sucks if you're not trying to be inflammatory? I remember a guy from the H2S came to the Septagon to say that we shouldn't go over there and troll (I never did, fyi) because all they wanted was to improve Halo (or something like that). I remember a small "rant" from Achronos where at the end he said something along the lines of "don't act like you're being oppressed; you're not."

The thing is, that may have been the case. The H2S probably sought for improvement, but the handful of bad apples from their community came over here and gave their whole community a bitter taste. I'm sure plenty of our bad apples were over there ruining their discussion, too. Forum wars suck.

Thats all I need to know about it. I was around when those "Dark days" happened, and its left a bad impression to me about members from there.

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Posted by: El Roboto
Posted by: Recon Number 54
I could not understand the reason to have such a huge emotional investment in something that was (to me) clearly a matter of choice, of taste, of personal preference. I also couldn't understand the desire (of either camp) to convert or convince anyone who disagreed of the "rightness" of a particular view, especially when the central point was a matter of choice, taste, personal preference and experience.

I have a single word that defines why they could not see others point of views.
Arrogance.

while that may be true for a few, I think that in many cases, on either side, there were as many reasons for the single-mindedness and intolerance of alternate views.

Whenever someone is passionate and certain of their view, it was a personal journey to get to that point. No one path and no single reason can explain it for every person in that position.

But I am unconcerned with the reason. I was (and remain) only involved when the actions or statements cross the line of acceptability, civility and people refuse to show even a modicum of tolerance or respect.
You people now a days. Always using fancy words :P. Remember Folks Fancy words don't always lead to a better responses. They just make it harder for other people to understand. That have inferior understanding and knowledge of equilibrium of English language.
Nah. I'm just picking on you Recon :)

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  • 12.05.2007 11:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: El Roboto
Thats all I need to know about it. I was around when those "Dark days" happened, and its left a bad impression to me about members from there.

Thats all you need to know? You do realize that the Halo2sucks.com forum was hacked at lest 3 times while I was there, as well as having plenty of spamming attacks. That forum is THE most attacked forum I have attended, and I have been to over 40 forums. I don't know if it was anyone from here or not, but I'm not holding the grudge against the entire forum over an assumption. Its like terrorism. One guy blows himself up and then suddenly the entire race and religion affiliated with that person are now suicide bombing rag heads (no offense, but its an example almost anyone living today can understand).

rather than just pointing fingers, why don't you look into the community and see what goes on.

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Posted by: El Roboto
Thats all I need to know about it. I was around when those "Dark days" happened, and its left a bad impression to me about members from there.

Thats all you need to know? You do realize that the Halo2sucks.com forum was hacked at lest 3 times while I was there, as well as having plenty of spamming attacks. That forum is THE most attacked forum I have attended, and I have been to over 40 forums. I don't know if it was anyone from here or not, but I'm not holding the grudge against the entire forum over an assumption. Its like terrorism. One guy blows himself up and then suddenly the entire race and religion affiliated with that person are now suicide bombing rag heads (no offense, but its an example almost anyone living today can understand).

rather than just pointing fingers, why don't you look into the community and see what goes on.


Would "because I don't want to" be a good enough reason? We had spam attacks too (fat chance actually hacking Bungie.net, though) and they're confirmed H2S members. I know H2S has good members, but I know that most of the good members stayed at H2S while your bad members came here to spam and horribly represent your community, but I (and most of the people that come to the community forum) know that you have your fair share of good members - you're really preaching to the choir here. I know for a fact that some of the spam attacks you speak of were Bungie.net members (because they'd come back and post screens then get blacklisted). That's right. Bungie.net blacklisted people that spoke about spamming your forums. I hope you guys did the same to your bad members spamming Bungie.net.

I remember seeing sensible H2S members coming to B.net and positive discussion taking place. It was your own members making you look bad, though.

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  • 12.06.2007 11:56 AM PDT

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That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
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I care that one day the stereotypical halo2sucks.com users will someday breed and pass on their intolerant ways to a new generation..

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"Dark days"
I have been to over 40 forums.
Its like terrorism. One guy blows himself,
the community
confirmed H2S members
community
spam attacks
Bungie.net
Bungie.net
Bungie.net.
B.net

making you look bad


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  • 12.06.2007 12:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: NinjAg
Would "because I don't want to" be a good enough reason? We had spam attacks too (fat chance actually hacking Bungie.net, though) and they're confirmed H2S members. I know H2S has good members, but I know that most of the good members stayed at H2S while your bad members came here to spam and horribly represent your community, but I (and most of the people that come to the community forum) know that you have your fair share of good members - you're really preaching to the choir here. I know for a fact that some of the spam attacks you speak of were Bungie.net members (because they'd come back and post screens then get blacklisted). That's right. Bungie.net blacklisted people that spoke about spamming your forums. I hope you guys did the same to your bad members spamming Bungie.net.

I remember seeing sensible H2S members coming to B.net and positive discussion taking place. It was your own members making you look bad, though.

While not wanting to go is one thing, not going there and making accusations about the community is another (thats what I was reffering to with El Roboto). I know there are good members here as well as a fair share of sub-par ones. I was at h2s.com before I came to b.net. I came here to see if the community was actually what I heard of from some of the more biased users. I found out at first glance that it was. A bunch of spam and flaming, etc. I was banned off the spot for a bump, which was a simple misundertanding (by franky, none the less). But I stayed anyways, and I tried to make serious conversation, eventually becoming a pretty active member and even staff to some groups.

Just becuase one member does something stupid. Just because 10 members do something stupid does not mean they represent the community. It may give you an impression, but until you experience that community yourself, refrain from talking about it as much as possible. If you do have something to say, at least put forward where you heard it and in what light. Im not saying you accused us of anything, but El Roboto is a good example of what I am talking about.

And I would like to know which "confirmed members" you speak of. If it was before my membership there (around 2 months after Halo 2's release), then I can say its not my place to argue the truthfulness of your claim. But since I was there, not a single person bragged about spamming the b.net forums. Maybe they did and were dealt with quickly enough for me to miss, or they just didn't come back to brag about it, but confirmed might be a bad word.

Merely finding the same screen name is not proof, nor is them shouting that they are a member. The only true way to find out is through IP checking.

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Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
rather than just pointing fingers, why don't you look into the community and see what goes on.


I just want to know how many of you people still hate the site or think of it in a stereotypical manner.

I see whats going on.
I gave you my answer, and you attack me in response. Not only that, but you've derailed your own topic.

[Edited on 12.06.2007 2:06 PM PST]

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