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Subject: Is Halo CE worth the fustration
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Poll: Worth the Fustration  [closed]
Yes:  59%
(20 Votes)
No:  18%
(6 Votes)
I don't have it:  18%
(6 Votes)
Then why are you voteing:  6%
(2 Votes)
Total Votes: 34

to get halo CE i had to dig through many many sites untill i found one that you could download it from with out being a member also it took me forever to figure out how to get maps to work, now i cant find a site that has all the maps that people use, and not many people play the maps that i like, so my question is halo CE worth downloading all the maps and stuff, i like HALO PC better

  • 06.08.2004 1:56 PM PDT
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let me hear your thoughts

  • 06.08.2004 2:00 PM PDT
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I say it is just for the faster shading techniques they used, as it does vastly improve the game. Now only if this could be put into the single player game.

  • 06.08.2004 3:35 PM PDT

Yes, and it's not THAT much frustration.

  • 06.08.2004 3:35 PM PDT
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umm but uhhh Microsoft is now sending around "official" e-mails to everybody who has registered Halo PC, telling them about the Halo CE and HEK package as well as links. And yah, its not that frustrating, especially if you arent even gonna bother making maps.

  • 06.08.2004 5:30 PM PDT
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Yeah, I agree. It's not that much trouble if you're just going to play. Of course, making maps is a little more involved. But anything worthwhile takes some effort, so... you get out of it what you put in.

  • 06.08.2004 6:30 PM PDT
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well my 2pence on haloce........

when it first came out i didnt know what it was, but over about a week or so i found out, and started to hear alot of bad things about it, so i put off trying it, when i did get around to trying it, it took me forever to find a site that was free and didnt cut your download off. but i got it, and installed it had a few games, on a ping of 34-67 (my avg ping on uk servers) and found a seemingly nice server where everyone had low pings, i then attempted to have a game, but i became very frustrated very quickly, as i couldnt hit a thing (and im not bad at all on halo pc) i kept trying and trying, until i saw a guy standing still, i think he was afk, i walked up behind him slowly, stopped and fired at the centre of his body, shot didnt hit him, i moved forward a again, still didnt hit him, i ended up standing right next to him and fired i hit him at point blank range, i moved back and started aiming a good long way away from him, and long behold the shot hit him. i then had a look at my fps, it was LOWER then what i get on halo pc, so i restarted my computer, checked everything that was running, made sure i hadnt picked up any spyware, or had a autodownload running eg norton update, everything was fine, i then went on to a different halo ce server and tried again, the SAME thing happened again, there was alot of people doing well in it, and i recognised a few of them, they were people who were very bad at halopc, who were doing well at haloce, so i stopped playing haloce for the day, and tried again the next day, the same thing happened again! and i noticed a couple more people id seen before, again they were n00bs basicly, and yet again they were doing very well at halo ce, so i UNISTALLED haloce, because it may fix a couple of bugs but it LOWERED my fps, as my fps increased when playing halopc, back to my normal level, even while haloce was installed on my computer, and the aiming on haloce is disgusting, that was how these "n00bs" were doing so well at it, there aim is bad on halopc, but they aim in the same way on haloce they get alot of kills. 1 thing i did notice with halo ce was that warping from a person being thrown out of a hog is slightly better, but not worth the terrible aiming of halo ce (and i tried serveral different mouse settins, on my optical mouse (cant be dirty))

well thats what i think of haloce, in my opinion its not worth the trouble to download it, or even play it UNLESS you basicly had a bad aim on halopc and you would benefit from the haloce aiming system

basicly everything i had heard about haloce was right, and more!

  • 06.09.2004 12:18 AM PDT
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i then had a look at my fps, it was LOWER then what i get on halo pc

Make sure your video settings and everything are correct. As you may know, none of your settings from HaloPC transfer over. You have to make a new profile and set everything up again. So if you were playing HaloPC at 800x600 without specular and with -use11, then you'll have to re-specify all those settings in HaloCE.

It's also especially important to make sure your network settings are correct. Be accurate about the speed of your connection. If you're on a 56k modem and you tell Halo you're on a T1, it can't be smart about what information to prioritize and your lag will actually be a lot worse than if you just told it you had a 56k in the first place. If it knows how fast your connection is, it can make better decisions about what info to leave out when it's communicating with the server.

:-)

  • 06.09.2004 6:47 AM PDT
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Yes it is, because some people are making a great map which looks like New Mombasa, its no new news, its been going on for long, i think that makes it awesome

  • 06.09.2004 8:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: TalkingElmo

Make sure your video settings and everything are correct. As you may know, none of your settings from HaloPC transfer over. You have to make a new profile and set everything up again. So if you were playing HaloPC at 800x600 without specular and with -use11, then you'll have to re-specify all those settings in HaloCE.

It's also especially important to make sure your network settings are correct. Be accurate about the speed of your connection. If you're on a 56k modem and you tell Halo you're on a T1, it can't be smart about what information to prioritize and your lag will actually be a lot worse than if you just told it you had a 56k in the first place. If it knows how fast your connection is, it can make better decisions about what info to leave out when it's communicating with the server.

:-)


yup i did all of that, i did have to create a new profile, and i went over the settings and changed them to what i use for halopc, ya i always set network settings correctly( but on certain games such as quake 3, its best to play around with these settings a little, ie change snaps and rate settings).

what i think would be best is for a patch 1.05 to be created/released for halopc and have ALOT of time taken over its making, and have atleast twice the amount of testing as normal, to make sure it has no new bugs in it, and it fixes old bugs, eg text scrolling bug and sound bug etc.

  • 06.09.2004 8:27 AM PDT
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Cube your statment underlines perfectly why Bungie decided to switch to making a platform game instead of sticking with PC. It levels the playing field. Now you can't blame your suckiness on frame rates, hardware, or hacks. I wouldn't blame Bungie if they only released Halo 2 on the Xbox(gasp). Just there way of assuring that the Live playing field is even and based on skill.

  • 06.09.2004 8:33 AM PDT
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Halo PC in general is a waste of time in my opinion. The difference in lag between it and Halo Xbox is ridiculous, so I don't bother anymore.

  • 06.09.2004 9:17 AM PDT
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what i think would be best is for a patch 1.05 to be created/released for halopc

Yeah, that would be ideal, wouldn't it? But that's up to Microsoft to decide if they want to bother updating HaloPC with an official 1.05 patch. Don't hold your breath...

As an Xbox player, I agree that the console has many advantages over the PC. I prefer Xbox Halo, even without the new weapons and levels (which are cool, don't get me wrong). If only the Xbox could use a mouse, though. The Controller S aggravates the tendonitis in my right forearm. :-( I'm going to try switching to the old, bigger controller and see if that helps. But a USB mouse would be the best option.

Also, the PC could have some advantages over a console game if the game were treated like a real PC game and given PC game features. But to just release the 1.0 version and release 1 or 2 patches to fix a few bugs just doesn't do the game justice. HaloPC is still just a console port. If you compare the features to other true PC FPSes (like Unreal, Quake, etc.), Halo is really missing a lot. Those games suck compared to Halo, but they are much more popular because they aren't sorely lacking basic features. Treating this game like a quick port instead of a bona fide PC game has really hurt the game, especially among the competitive community (most of whom gave up on the game several months ago).

Halo on the Xbox is absolutely amazing. I can't play other games because I've been spoiled by this game. But to succeed on the PC, it needs (or should I say needed) to be treated like a PC game. Imagine if a great PC first-person shooter was ported to the Xbox, but it was a more-or-less straight port and didn't have split-screen multiplayer? It would be a brilliant game held back by technical issues.

It's really too bad how it turned out. Sorry if that came off too negative. I love this game to death and wish it could have been more successful on the PC platform. Oh well.

  • 06.09.2004 3:38 PM PDT
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yes halo pc is lacking some basic features that shouldnt have been missed out, a spectator mode, this is in other games, and allows for clan matches to run smoother, as everyone is on the server, people dont have to wait on msn for there match etc, if the 1.05patch was to incorpraite these basic features that were missed out and fix the bugs, no-one and i mean no-one would be able to say a bad word against halo, because ive played these games like bf1942, mohaa, cs, ut2k4, aa, and i didnt really like any of them, i did like mohaa but it started to get boring i thought after a while but the others just are crap, esp ut2k4 which just didnt live up to the role it tried to fill, and in short i prefer halo to these games

  • 06.10.2004 12:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: Zuka Zamamee
to get halo CE i had to dig through many many sites untill i found one that you could download it from with out being a member also it took me forever to figure out how to get maps to work, now i cant find a site that has all the maps that people use, and not many people play the maps that i like, so my question is halo CE worth downloading all the maps and stuff, i like HALO PC better


You know, I am getting so sick of people that write one whole paragraph, and don't use a single period. It's just one long-ass run-on sentence with commas thrown in. WHERE ARE THE DAMN PERIODS?

Also, I seriously want to know why people have issues signing up for stuff. It's a free damn account. If you are worried that they will spam your email, then go make a yahoo or hotmail account and use that.

[Edited on 6/19/2004 9:30:00 AM]

  • 06.19.2004 9:27 AM PDT
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i know what you mean.!!!!

  • 07.26.2004 12:14 AM PDT
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Talking Elmo,
Well said.

Cube,
...there was alot of people doing well in it, and i recognised a few of them, they were people who were very bad at halopc, who were doing well at haloce, so i stopped playing haloce for the day, and tried again the next day, the same thing happened again! and i noticed a couple more people id seen before, again they were n00bs basicly, and yet again they were doing very well at halo ce, so i UNISTALLED haloce...

Ah yes, the infamous random lead complaint. I've heard this one over and over again, but in the end it makes no difference. You will miss vital kills and you will eventually come across a situation that frustrates you, but that's no different than what lag will do to you in regular PC. And this is no reason to claim everyone who can hit something in CE is a n--b (gotta watch the Bungie rules, btw ;). In fact, I'd continue with your thought (in a different direction), but I'll bite my tongue, because that's not what this thread is about.

Let me tell you my version of how I got to know Custom Edition. Like many others, I waited eagerly for the night that it was released and upon download completion immediately started playing. The first thing I noticed, aside from the marginal improved graphical performance (I'm an Nvidia user), was that I seemed to suck compared to the rest of the players. This was both surprising and disconcerting, as I had always viewed myself as a good player in PC. Imagine my surprise after anticipating this release and loving Halo so much. I was back to being the lowly el pwned at the bottom of the ranking list. This contrasted starkly with my characteristic placement among the top three positions when playing PC. In CE I could harldy live long enough to make a kill. It was emabarassing and frustrating. I know your pain. I've been there, done that.

I thought that Gearbox had adjusted the armor values on Master Chief's shield at first, because I was dying so quickly. So I too went back to PC for the next night. But the difference between you and me was that I would fire up CE every night, looking for any sign of a new map and to try my hand anew. I knew that even if Halo CE was different somehow that it was still possible to be the best. After all, someone was always placing first in these battles I was loosing. I became determined. I wasn't going to quit until I got the hang of this CE thing. And lo and behold, it happened. Before long, playing on CE was just as natural as playing on PC had been.

And you know what the problem was? It wasn't the random leading, because the kill ratios were still the same, regardless of the kill counts. And it wasn't the funked up frame rates, which I expereienced only on a select few maps.

You know what it was?

It was the better players. A good portion of the hardcore players had been attracted to CE long before I had even heard of its possibility of existing. And by that time they had been practiced up on Halo PC to such an extent that I was no contest for their abilities. I was a definite n--b compared to them. This is where I'm afraid your n--b theory is wrong. People who played Halo CE back in the day were most decidedly not n--bs, although there are a wide variety of skill levels that play it today.

Then the custom maps started to be released, slowly at first, but then it was as if the faucet had been turned on. Custom maps were released almost every day for awhile as people explored the development tools. The fact that I could now play something other than Bloodgulch or Sidewinder on the CE servers gave me such a sense of happiness and liberation... it really felt like the community was going somewhere.

And even despite sentiments like yours that seem so common today, I think CE is still growing. Even though the lack of a patch has scared away "professional" players, we seem to be doing alright without them.

The fact that half of the poll answers on here say that CE is no trouble at all speaks volumes to the fact that many people still enjoy Custom Edition. In fact, this is made doubly evident by the fact that another quarter voted that they had not yet made the transition to CE. That leaves a mere 25% that did not have a good experience with CE according to this poll... all simply because they didn't have the will power to learn a new style of leading. A shame, seeing as how there will be no new patch for Halo PC and there is at least a guaranteed method of obtaining a patch by playing Halo CE.

Ah well, there's my $2.00

  • 07.26.2004 1:48 AM PDT
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Can sum body make a coop mod for halo ce?

that was the only thing wrong with halo pc/ce (dont even think of TKer,s)

  • 07.26.2004 1:54 AM PDT
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hey r u SURE there is over 170 new maps and i can download them without problems? because i have a very good computer i didnt do anything except install halo for pc

  • 08.04.2004 8:51 PM PDT