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Subject: Vile Lobby Behavior... from 7th Column members
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i know i'm new to this topic and all but i read all the stuff that everyone has to say and it just seems that people are trying to fix the impossible, there will always be those people who talk more than they're game, and there will always be people to take offense to that (don't take that badly anyone who does) and thats just how the world goes, i mean what would be the fun if every game was a good match and everyone was a team player. look if people want to talk crap then make them pay for what they say through force, crush them into dust just to show em that they have nothing to back up they're talk. As Fredrick the Great once said, " In victory magnanimity; in defeat defiance" wich loosely translated means if ya win bask in the glory of it if you lose keep on fighting. So i guess in closing im trying to say ya people talk trash but you can always be there to dash that feeling of superiority away from them and show em how all that trash talk is just poor compensation for they're lack in skill.

  • 12.07.2007 11:51 AM PDT

Brick TamlandC4 (me): Hey! I see you have the 7th Column Logo. Been on the Bnet forums lately?
Random 7th Column Symbol Touting Trash Talker: I have the what? What are you talking about? What the hell is Bnet?

  • 12.07.2007 12:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: evilcam
Gz, I'd kill the whole world for you




3-19-07

Posted by: Achilles1108
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As for trash talkers I just give them more than what they give me. Actually I am pretty sure last night I gave just a bit too much. Some people would have just taken it just to the cliff edge. I went over the cliff edge on a rocket powered tricycle.

I sure enjoyed gang raping that boy.

Uh no. It was much worse than that. I even had all the people in my party including my good friend X (He can really be a smack talker.) a bit taken back. You can have BB confirm it. I mean I really took it past the edge.


Well, I was just poking fun at you, but I didn't think it was that bad.
As was said, I give people the mute and the feed back all the time and I love people, even ones who are my friends, who call be a -blam!- for doing that. I think it's funny.

The worst thing is though is when people use it for wrong reasons. One time, I got bad feedback during the beta 'cause I used the Plasma Pistol, and another time I got bad feedback 'cause I beat a team 3v1 (others quit) just by camping with the laser and rockets on High Ground. OH well.

Although, I do wish I had a rocket powered tricycle.

  • 12.07.2007 2:31 PM PDT
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When the game first come out people were polite and nice about playing bout about a week after it went downhill, i've stopped playing social and ranked because of it, i just dnt think mute is enough to be honest but then again my opinion dnt matter. i do agree about the tag should be a thing to be proud of to be part of a community.

  • 12.07.2007 3:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achilles1108
Taking away something like that really wouldn't do much good. Most of those people really have no clue as to what the 7th Column even is. They just wanted the symbol beside there names.


But ya got to admit... The community here on bnet is amazing eh? lol

  • 12.07.2007 3:08 PM PDT

I WIN.

Posted by: SS_Zag1
Do you really think there's a correlation though? I've seen plenty of jerks from both sides of the court.

Maybe if only certain people were eligible for the symbol? Or rather, maybe if some people were excluded because of certain XBL related behavior?


I've seen my fair share of jerks from both sides as well, but during social matches it seems that most of the normal (and jerkish) chatter comes from tagged folk.

People in packs are always going to talk though, so I doubt theres any direct correlation. I hardly ever hear anything offensive and what not during ungrouped games. If there's a group of 2-4 people in social (tagged or not), it's usually going to be a jerkfest.

If it was up to me, I would have longer ban lengths.

[Edited on 12.07.2007 6:19 PM PST]

  • 12.07.2007 6:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cockburnicus
You missed the point like Vader missed the banshee, your whole argument is covered in bees.
Stop sending me group invites -blam!-s!

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This is like the thousands of kids who ran out and created gamertags with KSI in the name, even though they had nothing to do with the clan. Just because you see the 7th column symbol, doesn't mean these idiots are associated with the 7th column.

>_>
Weggie, I've heard your foul mouth in the lobby. Are you sure you two didn't bump into each other once?

Then we could bring up this occurrence.

Sadly, being part of the Bungie community doesn't mean you have to be polite off the forums. (And apparently even while you're on the forums, in many cases.)

P.S. Achilles has made me cry. :'(


Achilles and Zag have made me cry... they are mean.

  • 12.07.2007 6:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Primum Agmen
A tosser is the same as a wanker. To toss oneself off is to fondle the trouser weasel.


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Just because they have the Septagon symbol right next to their gamertag it doesn't mean they are a better person.

  • 12.07.2007 9:56 PM PDT
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Lately I've only been giving bad feedback to people who can't play Rocket Race properly (people who run around and assassinate). And I only ever trash talk if someone deserves it (just like tea bagging).

I probably hear more people with the Septagon trash talk than without. Maybe that's because they're inclined to talk more, or maybe it's because they're all my friends and all my friends are -blam!-s. Either way, I don't expect anything more from someone who's got it.

-TGP-

  • 12.08.2007 3:42 AM PDT
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Technically, isn't this -blam!- harrasment?
There should be a punisment worse than banning for them.
Before I found out how to get the symbol, I thought that these guys would be the most mature guys.

  • 12.08.2007 9:31 AM PDT

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Lately I've only been giving bad feedback to people who can't play Rocket Race properly (people who run around and assassinate). And I only ever trash talk if someone deserves it (just like tea bagging).
-TGP-

That's only because you don't have me riding brokeback with you. Fix your NAT, then I can show you how Rocket Race is supposed to be played.

Also, you should stop telling your teammates they suck. I don't like being told to "go back and play Littlest Pet Shop Island Adventure". I've saved your butt more times than I can count. >_>

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  • 12.08.2007 11:49 AM PDT
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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

Ahhh, xbox live.

Platitudes aside, most everyone posting in this thread seems to prefer polite interaction while playing online. I for one severely dislike trash talkers and their ilk, though I'm not above giving it back to them when I'm in the right mood. Usually if they start on me, I'll say some offhanded comment about them and leave it it that. Though if you're messing with someone else, especially if I think it unwarranted (as in messing with someone who has not said a word to you) I'll be as scathing and mean as I can be. I'll never, ever start a problem with anyone. I rarely even talk online, so all I usually say is "warthog center" denoting that the enemy is coming, or "good game". Though I have similar experiences as to what Achilles is lamenting.

I like it when people behave civilly with one another. It gives me reason to think that there still may be a chance for this civilization. However I know that eventually, no matter who you are, you're going to encounter someone who makes you want to explode. I commend those who don't act on that impulse, but being humans, eventually all of us will act on it to some degree. In that, it would be great if we all "just got along" but I at least know that's never going to happen.

Seventh Column "members" are not obligated to be nice to each other. As with any and all large communities, there are jerks, nice people, apathetic people, and all nuances in between. Though it would be nice if we could hold some to a higher standard, we simply can't. Pragmatism won't allow it.

The primary problem online is that people are free from physical responsibility. Where some of these people to act the way the act in real life, where physical consequences might be a direct result for their actions, I think most of them would act very differently. Most of the people whom you are playing online with are probably usually at least civil with others in real life. Though when online, they don't have to worry about you or anyone else bothering them, because they can just move on to the next game and/or block you. I'm sure some of them are equally as unpleasant in real life, but certainly not the majority of them. I think it says something about human nature, and I thinks its a terrible connotation as to what we're all about, but that's another topic.

I guess what I'm getting at is people are people. They are one way one minute, and another way another minute. We're temporal creatures, and expecting them to behave civilly all the time is nothing more than a pipe dream. Hell, as a moderator on bungie.net, I deal with jerks and uncivil people all the time. Trust me, people who use this site are no better than anyone else, anywhere. And they're not leaving anytime soon. Discussing how people "should" act is nice and all, but its nothing more than a platitude, as are all Utopian ideologies. Make no mistake, thinking that 7th column members should behave civilly with one another for no reason other than they're 7th column members is a Utopian dream, through and through.

Though I guess there is no problems with lamenting that fact, so lement away I suppose. As to whether or not this community can be called up to a higher standard, time will tell (though I doubt anything will change).

  • 12.08.2007 1:03 PM PDT
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wow.......
you people have COMPLETLY disproved my theory....

apparently there is still intelligent life on earth.....



[Edited on 12.08.2007 2:29 PM PST]

  • 12.08.2007 2:27 PM PDT
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I just wanted to thank all of the Ninjas and members who were kind enough to share their thoughts with me on this one. I have to say that I agree and understand now. People are people. There are the good and the bad. I know, as I have met some truly wonderful people, and made some fantastic friends, playing Halo. And thus, I will never give up the hope that people can become more than their baser nature. However, I accept that so long as there are people, there will be jerks. I never take stuff personally, so that's not the issue. But, now that I know that the septagon is not indicitave of an active member, or even someone who understands what it means, I can get over it.

For myself, that icon means something. It means I am a proud member of the B.net community, one I will continue to help grow and become a better more enlightened place. I know I'm not alone, and that's all that really matters in the end. ^_^

  • 12.10.2007 6:58 AM PDT

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For myself, that icon means something. It means I am a proud member of the B.net community, one I will continue to help grow and become a better more enlightened place. I know I'm not alone, and that's all that really matters in the end. ^_^

Exactly. :)

Even if the people you're sharing it with are jerks. That's why I play Halo. You can always shoot the people you don't like, and no one complains about it. >_>

  • 12.10.2007 7:06 AM PDT
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*giggle* No kidding, right? It's SO therapeutic!!

  • 12.10.2007 7:40 AM PDT

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*giggle* No kidding, right? It's SO therapeutic!!

Much cheaper than professional therapy, too!

  • 12.10.2007 8:10 AM PDT
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Posted by: Ravenfire 117
For myself, that icon means something. It means I am a proud member of the B.net community, one I will continue to help grow and become a better more enlightened place. I know I'm not alone, and that's all that really matters in the end. ^_^

Exactly. :)

Even if the people you're sharing it with are jerks. That's why I play Halo. You can always shoot the people you don't like, and no one complains about it. >_>
I play Halo solely in order to shoot Zag.

  • 12.10.2007 8:13 AM PDT

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