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Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Perhaps they're saying, "There is no problem."? Surely you can't suggest that Bungie Studios wouldn't have tested their game sufficiently enough to catch a problem such as this?

Also, if you are using saved films as a judge of bugs, etc, then don't. Bungie Studios has commented that they aren't reliable enough for this degree of precision.

  • 12.10.2007 5:45 PM PDT

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Ah, but the problem, you see, is that often we can't really report on things because we don't know the answer, or have no timeline, etc. But when there is information to report, it is there. For example, we couldn't really talk about Team Hardcore, because we didn't really know how that was going to come together. Once it did, it got in the weekly update. The update isn't selling anything. It is a continuous conversation with the fans. Expecting the world each week is nothing something that will bring you satisfaction.

As for moderators, if you ever think something bad happened, report it to a master moderator or myself. Usually an explanation is easy to come by, if you only make the effort.

Posted by: cApAc_aMaRu
There is only one thing I really want changed, when it comes down to it.

I want Bungie to use their weekly updates to tell us what they are doing about problems, instead of trying to sell new product. As far as moderators go, I have had at least one thread closed for no good reason by a moderator who had a good laugh with his final post, in the arrogant comfort of knowing I was left unable to publicly reply. The fact is I have virtually given up on this forum, because I no longer find it to be relevant.


Confirmation of problem recognition isn't too much to ask. If Bunige had said something about looking into sniper hits not registering, instead of saying its harder, suck it up, do you not think that would have reduced flaming on the boards?

I have attempted to report multiple problems with moderators, and been stonewalled or ignored. I found it quite difficult to locate appropriate problem reporting solutions.


I actually think it would have caused more complaining. The majority of people who complain about things like the sniper are somewhat new to the forums, and probably haven't read up on the news anyway.

About your moderator problem, all you can really do is keep trying, and try to be as respectful as possible.

  • 12.10.2007 5:46 PM PDT
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Firstly, I experienced the sniper bug myself, and I was interested to see what Bungie would say about it, and they pretty much said if you have a problem, that is because you aren't good enough. That is no way to treat your customers.

Moderators aren't gods. I am sick and tired of people grovelling before them like they are the alpha and omega.

  • 12.10.2007 5:59 PM PDT

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Moderators aren't gods. I am sick and tired of people grovelling before them like they are the alpha and omega.


I hope you're not referring to me. I said you should treat them with respect because they have a ridiculously hard job that would probably make you cry, and they get no compensation for it. The least we can do is be respectful towards them. And, they are more like greek gods, and the web team are Titans, at least at this website.

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Posted by: cApAc_aMaRu


Moderators aren't gods. I am sick and tired of people grovelling before them like they are the alpha and omega.


I hope you're not referring to me. I said you should treat them with respect because they have a ridiculously hard job that would probably make you cry, and they get no compensation for it. The least we can do is be respectful towards them. And, they are more like greek gods, and the web team are Titans, at least at this website.


I'm talking more about the goons that run around saying you better watch out, the moderators will get you, as if their 'gods' are watching and waiting to give them brownie points.

  • 12.10.2007 6:21 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: cApAc_aMaRu
I'm talking more about the goons that run around saying you better watch out, the moderators will get you, as if their 'gods' are watching and waiting to give them brownie points.


Well, of course most people dislike them. Regardless of their intentions, they're spamming, and will mike fine subjects for the new reporting feature.

  • 12.10.2007 6:24 PM PDT

Posted by: cApAc_aMaRu

I'm talking more about the goons that run around saying you better watch out, the moderators will get you, as if their 'gods' are watching and waiting to give them brownie points.


But brownie points can be saved up and later redeemed for ninja-riffic merchandise! I myself am saving up my brownie points for The Recon Morning Glory Alarm Clock. When the alarm goes off, it says "good morning, you're permabanned."

BTW, every forum has moderator suck ups. But I have to admit, it is worse here. Maybe because there are a lot of members who either want to be mods, which alters their behavior, or because most ninjas are more accessible and imbedded in the community, therefore their likability factor goes up.

  • 12.10.2007 6:29 PM PDT

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I feel all warm and fuzzy inside after reading the OP's post.

Seriously, though, I couldn't agree more about B.net. I always get this feeling that I'm walking eggshells around here.

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Posted by: cApAc_aMaRu
I'm talking more about the goons that run around saying you better watch out, the moderators will get you, as if their 'gods' are watching and waiting to give them brownie points.


Well, of course most people dislike them. Regardless of their intentions, they're spamming, and will mike fine subjects for the new reporting feature.


Whoa... speaking of which, I reported as spam a post made on my thread about humans != forerunner, and said post has been...extinguished. The fool said 'This is the Halo 3 forum. Take it somewhere else.' and I reported it.... guess that feature is working... I'm not sure if I am comfortable with arbitrary moderator deletions with no accountability.

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I feel all warm and fuzzy inside after reading the OP's post.

Seriously, though, I couldn't agree more about B.net. I always get this feeling that I'm walking eggshells around here.


Any discussion on the forums is required to be as PC as possible, while conveying as little information as possible, over the largest amount of server space.

  • 12.10.2007 6:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: cApAc_aMaRu
I'm talking more about the goons that run around saying you better watch out, the moderators will get you, as if their 'gods' are watching and waiting to give them brownie points.


Well, of course most people dislike them. Regardless of their intentions, they're spamming, and will mike fine subjects for the new reporting feature.


Whoa... speaking of which, I reported as spam a post made on my thread about humans != forerunner, and said post has been...extinguished. The fool said 'This is the Halo 3 forum. Take it somewhere else.' and I reported it.... guess that feature is working... I'm not sure if I am comfortable with arbitrary moderator deletions with no accountability.


The post probably wasn't deleted, just hidden, because the offending member was probably just blacklisted.

  • 12.10.2007 6:48 PM PDT
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You mean the "This users post is hidden because they have been blacklisted' thing? Its not there, the post is just gone.

  • 12.10.2007 7:18 PM PDT
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Well yeah, that message will only show up if they made the thread.

... Sneaky old ninja beating me to the punch.

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  • 12.10.2007 7:25 PM PDT
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You mean the "This users post is hidden because they have been blacklisted' thing? Its not there, the post is just gone.

That only shows if the blacklisted member is the creator of the topic. If they were simply a replier, then their post is hidden with no announcement message. Not deleted, hidden.


ah, ok.

  • 12.10.2007 7:28 PM PDT
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The Frozen Minority; Bungie's real underground. The oldest members, the deepest controversy, walking infamy.

Many of us lock, reply and blacklist hundreds (yes, I'm not exaggerating) of threads per week each using only the same information and knowledge of every single other member on this forum. Excuse us if we make a mistake but we are only human. Hell, most of us are teenagers/young adults.

It's easy to criticise us but it's not so easy to understand why we all seem to become enraged when challenged. We do not have the time to sit there and talk each person through the reasons we had to lock their thread or blacklist them. We don't have that time. Though we often still have to do it (mostly via PM's) and most of what we are told is outright abusive. Let me show you what WE deal with (these are real and from the last 2 days in my inbox):
Everyone's right what they tell me about you *smiles*
Anyway enjoy your lonely insignificant life!
Thanks for the feedback, user! I am a volunteer but I do love hearing this kind of thing! :)

do a poll seriously, don't be so blind.Ah yes ok, I will take some time to make a thread and analyse the results, then when the forums turn to death because I wasn't moderating them, you can send me another angry message about that!

lol well when it comes down to it im part of the worlds greatest superpower and you're a kangaroo state so i guess i win. good day sir breed us another crocodile dundee plz, our last one died. Thank you, sir! I guess you are right, maybe you are the superior being! I mean you have only been here a week and have flamed incessantly while I have devoted a good 3 years to the community but I guess it does come down to one thing; I am a kangaroo state!
I will think twice before trying to help out the Halo 3 forums again!


I apologise, from the bottom of my heart, if I have no tolerance for people who say I am doing a poor job. So let me conclude this rant by saying - do not blame us, do not blame Bungie, do not blame the community. Do not blame anyone... if you don't like it here, go post on Bioware. I won't blame you at all and I am not telling you to leave but don't make my job harder and this community worse by criticising this place. Because I love being a part of this place and I don't need someone telling me how bad it is.

Don't think I am writing this to get sympathy or attention - I am writing this so perhaps you can all understand why we are not always completely infallable, rational and perfectly just.
THANK YOU.

  • 12.10.2007 8:28 PM PDT

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  • 12.10.2007 8:29 PM PDT

The community is what it is, same thing goes for mods, members, and Bungie in general, they are what they are. I respect your opinion about it all, but if it is really that bad why not go elsewhere?

On a side note, I really liked the rant Pezz.

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Of all the Mod's I have encountered, Pezz, you I have NO issue with. I have yet to see you act arbitrarily, you do not lord your power over others, and you take genuine interest in topics at hand on occasion. It is to YOU that the other mods should direct their attention.

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The community is what it is, same thing goes for mods, members, and Bungie in general, they are what they are. I respect your opinion about it all, but if it is really that bad why not go elsewhere?

On a side note, I really liked the rant Pezz.


Right. And if you don't like how your government is acting, why not just move to another country?

  • 12.11.2007 12:23 AM PDT

All I said was if you don't like how things are on Bungie, why not find somewhere else more to your liking? There are plenty of other forums and websites out there that you may find more enjoyable, such as halo3.junk.ws, instead of being somewhere that you don't like. If you have the ability to go somewhere else and be happy why not do it instead of complaining about things you don't like at a website you don't like? It is not like real life where you need time, money, and a way to get where you are going. All you need to do is use your mouse and keyboard.

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Posted by: DR WE1RD
All I said was if you don't like how things are on Bungie, why not find somewhere else more to your liking? There are plenty of other forums and websites out there that you may find more enjoyable, such as halo3.junk.ws, instead of being somewhere that you don't like. If you have the ability to go somewhere else and be happy why not do it instead of complaining about things you don't like at a website you don't like? It is not like real life where you need time, money, and a way to get where you are going. All you need to do is use your mouse and keyboard.


Except it is basically the same argument as 'if you have a problem with the game, go play something else'.

The fact is on the rare occasion, there IS good conversation to be had here, its got the game data plugged in, and its paid for by the absurd amount of money me and so many others have paid to play. I am tired of the put up or shut up attitude everyone seems to take though.

  • 12.11.2007 1:01 AM PDT

My whole theory about the ''if you have a problem with the game, go play something else'' is this, maybe its not the game I have the problem with, but the people playing it with me.

Yes it is true that good conversation and civil arguements are rare here, but hopefully with the new feature of the spam button there will be a little more civility and a lot less ''oh i just pwned u!!'' Maybe you don't need to go else where, but rather just wait a while and let things settle down around here? With over a million members it will take time, but things will get better as the spammers, and trolls get blacklisted. Hopefully the new report as spam button will help to speed up this process.

The whole put up or shut up attitude bugs me. Why should I have to prove anything to anyone other than myself? I am here for the game and community, nothing else. I don't want to ''prove'' myself, I just want to have conversations about the game and community with like-minded individuals.

Lets agree to disagree. There is some work that needs to be done around here to make this site better, it is starting with the spam button. At the same time there are worse places online as far as forums and such go, as well as better ones.

In my opinion the web team has done a good job so far maintaining order throughout the site, for the most part. There are some days where it seems like the spammers and trolls take over, but they are quickly dealt with. Overall I feel that Bungie is a great site and that they have a pretty good handle on what goes on in the forums.

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Posted by: DR WE1RD
All I said was if you don't like how things are on Bungie, why not find somewhere else more to your liking? There are plenty of other forums and websites out there that you may find more enjoyable, such as halo3.junk.ws, instead of being somewhere that you don't like. If you have the ability to go somewhere else and be happy why not do it instead of complaining about things you don't like at a website you don't like? It is not like real life where you need time, money, and a way to get where you are going. All you need to do is use your mouse and keyboard.


Except it is basically the same argument as 'if you have a problem with the game, go play something else'.

The fact is on the rare occasion, there IS good conversation to be had here, its got the game data plugged in, and its paid for by the absurd amount of money me and so many others have paid to play. I am tired of the put up or shut up attitude everyone seems to take though.
I don't see what's wrong with this argument. Welcome to capitalism, my friend, where you vote with your wallet and your patronage.

The reason that so many people are taking a "that's just the way it is" attitude is because.... well... that's just the way it is. What else are we supposed to tell you? That your opinion of how this place should be run is wrong? Obviously your opinion can never be wrong -- merely irrelevant. Which is exactly the situation you now find yourself in. I'm sure that a person like you finds this kind of impotence to be frustrating. But Bungie runs this place, has hordes of rabid fans who continue to come here every day, and has chosen to deal with them in a certain way. Complaints here, if voiced by enough people, can certainly lead to change.

But when people simply say "I disagree" or "who cares," they are not telling you to shut up. They are doing no more than expressing their opinions of the situation, just like you. Their disagreement or apathy, which seems to offend you deep down in your heart, is not directed towards you; it is directed at whatever complaint you have made. If you find a majority of people are apathetic to whatever your current complaint is, then it's reasonable to assume that it is not a priority in the eyes of most fans. Keeping the preceding in mind, you need to realize that, if it's a change in Bungie's ways that you seek -- whatever that change may be -- and most of the fans are just fine (or, God forbid, even happy) with the way things are being run right now, then it's a safe bet to say that things probably won't change.

On a side note, and as many others have already noted here, insulting the intelligence of your fellow forumgoers, accusing them of having a "put up or shut up" attitude, and generally responding in a caustic way is not helping you gain supporters. I know that this is the way things are done in the Halo 3 Forum, but it doesn't really work there either.

Back to the topic. You said at one point in this thread that all you're really asking for is a fundamental change in the way the Weekly Updates are run -- namely, you want all of the issues that are important to you to be "addressed" and/or "investigated" by Bungie, with regular updates as to progress and status. And you are unhappy with the playful, sometimes flippant attitude that Bungie tends to take towards its customers.

I know you're not going to be happy to hear this, but that's the way it is because that is Bungie's culture. You and your posts here are not going to change them, especially since loyal Bungie fans have loved Bungie for its intimacy and familiarity -- and yes, its irreverance -- towards its Community for many years, since long before either you or I arrived. This is not a Nordstrom, where salespeople are brainwashed with the "customer is always right" mantra and taught to genuflect before any haughty customer who believes that they are entitled to royal treatment because they forked over a few bucks. This is Bungie, and this is how they do things.

Moreover, complaining about the moderators' behavior is not the way to go. You are assailing the efforts of a group of regular Bungie fans who take hours out of their day to make this place halfway decent so that your threads are actually readable and so that you are able to read others'. Moreover, to clue you in, you are most likely wrong in your imperious assessment of whether a thread was closed for a reason. If you have a specific question about a specific thread, why don't you give us a link to it so that a moderator or helpful member can explain the forum rules to you? Most of us are pretty honest here, too, so you can expect a truthful assessment.

Now that it's obvious that your complaints in this thread, in general, have not been well-received or agreed with, you have a few options. First, you can vote with your wallet (i.e., stop paying for Bungie products). Second, you can attempt to purchase stock in Bungie and then force it to change its corporate culture. This particular option is unlikely to happen. Third, you can accept the good with the bad, admit that although there are some things you don't like and will just have to deal with, you generally like Bungie and its games. This strategy can be applied to life in general. E.g., I do not like waking up and going to work in the morning, but I generally enjoy being alive. Once you realize this, both on the microcosmic (Bungie) and macrocosmic (life) scale, on the whole, you can live a much happier life :-)

I suggest you take the third option. I hope this helps clarify the situation and calm your rage somewhat. Good luck to you, sir.


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  • 12.11.2007 1:58 AM PDT
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I should visit the community forums more often if theres going to be this many mods active lol

I'm glad the mods are actually replying to and disscussing with you about your opinions/claims instead of just locking your thread

  • 12.11.2007 2:44 AM PDT