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Subject: If a member on bungie.net died would you care
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I hope no one bothers mourning my death. It would be such a waste of time. But heck, people would probably find less constructive things to do.

  • 12.23.2004 10:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: ObbiQuiet
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A long time ago on a forum I used to go to, someone actually did die and their mom posted a message on our board about it. Only topic on that board ever to die(2 months later) with no insults, no jokes, just real human sorrow.

I don't know if it would be the same here, even if we were alerted to their death.


It probably would be. I believe feeling sorrow for death is a sociologically picked-up behavior, and that groups of people feeling 'sad' feed off eachother. Many times even the most introspective person has a lot of difficulty placing with certainty why they are sad. All they know is that they are.

Of course, people can miss other people. But I believe on a whole not every person weeping 'for' someone who died actually does.

And why do people weep for people who've died? They're dead. It doesn't make sense, especially given so many "life-after-death" worldviews.


Most people, though, want to live regardless of what's coming next. You feel remorse for losing them, and for that person's loss.

  • 12.23.2004 10:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tanikaze
Most people, though, want to live regardless of what's coming next. You feel remorse for losing them, and for that person's loss.


That's the point. The person is no longer 'loosing' anything if they're no longer alive. If anything, the people who are still alive should pity themselves. They are the only ones truly losing anything, but that's selfish.

  • 12.23.2004 10:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: SurgeK
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Most people, though, want to live regardless of what's coming next. You feel remorse for losing them, and for that person's loss.


That's the point. The person is no longer 'loosing' anything if they're no longer alive. If anything, the people who are still alive should pity themselves. They are the only ones truly losing anything, but that's selfish.

They are losing something. They may not be able to care anymore, but it would still bother them to be gone if they were still alive.

  • 12.23.2004 10:52 PM PDT
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Well, I do have a pretty uncommon view on the human existance. Put briefly, I believe the human consciousness to be merely an electrical process in the brain. What a person is, the "life" is just energy in motion - particularliy in the mind. When that 'energy in motion' stops, say, when a person goes unconscious I believe the person has died.

That neurological process will later be recontinued, but the only reason why it's similar is because the physical, 'unliving' "stuff" that makes up the brain is still formed in pretty much the same way, so you get a very similar projection making the conscious seem like a solid entity that resurfaces continuously.

I see 'death' as merely a discontinuation of that process.

  • 12.23.2004 10:55 PM PDT
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Soooo, you don't believe in life after death? Depressing.

  • 12.23.2004 10:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: Halifax
Soooo, you don't believe in life after death? Depressing.


I find the belief that some people spend an eternity in eternal torment more depressing than non-existance ever could.

  • 12.23.2004 10:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: ObbiQuiet
Well, I do have a pretty uncommon view on the human existance. Put briefly, I believe the human consciousness to be merely an electrical process in the brain. What a person is, the "life" is just energy in motion - particularliy in the mind. When that 'energy in motion' stops, say, when a person goes unconscious I believe the person has died.

That neurological process will later be recontinued, but the only reason why it's similar is because the physical, 'unliving' "stuff" that makes up the brain is still formed in pretty much the same way, so you get a very similar projection making the conscious seem like a solid entity that resurfaces continuously.

I see 'death' as merely a discontinuation of that process.


Actually, I was thinking the same thing after reading a book on the neurlogical patterns in cloning. Current theories say that if you kill yourself, and the create a duplicate, you will be 'living on', which I had to ponder for a bit, because essentially, when brain function stops, you are dead. I think I took it a bit further and wondered if you were really a different person after sleep, which I'm not really sure of.

  • 12.23.2004 11:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: ObbiQuiet
Posted by: Halifax
Soooo, you don't believe in life after death? Depressing.


I find the belief that some people spend an eternity in eternal torment more depressing than non-existance ever could.


An eternity of anything would be unbearable.

  • 12.23.2004 11:04 PM PDT
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It is an electrical process, but it is a very special one that causes us to reason and stuff. Ironically it enough, it's that electrical process that causes us to love other electrical processes. I do not believe, however, that you should feel remorse for a person if they've accomplished what they wanted to before dying.

  • 12.23.2004 11:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: ObbiQuiet
Posted by: Halifax
Soooo, you don't believe in life after death? Depressing.


I find the belief that some people spend an eternity in eternal torment more depressing than non-existance ever could.

Either one sounds bad. I have somewhat different beliefs, but they involve religion so I don't think they will be allowed here.

  • 12.23.2004 11:07 PM PDT
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H e ! ! no.

  • 12.23.2004 11:52 PM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

Posted by: South Boy101
H e ! ! no.


Wow. That was just so sympathetic. I'm moved.

  • 12.23.2004 11:54 PM PDT
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I would be sad if I knew them...unless it was H3CK H0LE or Tanikaze.

  • 12.24.2004 12:04 AM PDT

Devil is Double is Deuce and Joker always trumps Deuce.

Posted by: Ruze
I would be sad if I knew them...unless it was H3CK H0LE or Tanikaze.


You mean H3CK H0LE or Ruze. Oh, wait......

  • 12.24.2004 12:05 AM PDT
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I would care if they owed me money.

  • 12.24.2004 12:11 AM PDT
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i would just give out an evil laugh,....i see dead people.

  • 12.24.2004 12:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: Ruze
I would be sad if I knew them...unless it was H3CK H0LE or Tanikaze.


Jerk.

  • 12.24.2004 1:46 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

i wouldnt really care,and its not like we would be able to find out anyway. unless his/her mom came and posted a eulogy or something.

  • 12.24.2004 1:50 AM PDT
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unless my loved ones are secretly signing onto bungie.net behind my back, then no.

-side note-: stosh is not a loved one.

  • 12.24.2004 1:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: SurgeK
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure."


Remind me to stay far away from you....and get out a hippo if I ever meet you.

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Posted by: Vella
I think I took it a bit further and wondered if you were really a different person after sleep, which I'm not really sure of.


If you follow a pattern of mythology, which can apply to real life, as a myth is created to give humans a "glance" of of "mask" of things we can not understand. There is a cycle all mythological heros go through. They start in the world of conscious, an unbalanced world, like a top-heavy ball. They must pass into the world of the subconscious, or you when you are asleep. Here they face many trials and final they come upon their nadir, or darkest hour. This is when they find their "bliss," what really drives them. Next, they must flee the subconscious, and perhaps, if it is too alluring, be rescued from it. This is when they become truely complete, when they "slay their dragon," lose the "though shalts" of youth, and beclome like a baby; free of obligation, but not conscience or Duty . So to awnser your question, wether or not you are a diffrent person in your sleep is entiry dependent on if you have slayed your dragon.

  • 12.24.2004 2:48 AM PDT

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