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I thought that the prophets are the forerunners, though i might be wrong.

  • 04.19.2004 8:55 AM PDT
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No they ant the forrunner's suposidly if youve read the books the covy's say there extinct or some thing along that area, not sure though.

  • 04.19.2004 8:57 AM PDT
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Does ny1 think that the buildings on earth in the halo 2 trailer look very similiar 2 forerunner architecture on halo?
They have the same kind of panneling and geometric design.
Also the doors in the tunnel on the e3 demo are almost the same as the big blast doors on halo.
Maybe Humans are the fore runners, and maybe the whole thing is a -blam!-en and the egg paradox where we build the rings from the data collected on halo in the future, but once built they exist throughout all of time.
That would explain the whole human forerunner thing and when they were built.

  • 04.19.2004 11:07 AM PDT
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They design of the buildings might just be what Bungie thinks the buildings in the 26th century will look like, although their design could mean somthing a lot deeper, like what you're suggesting redrum.

  • 04.19.2004 11:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: redrum 42
Does ny1 think that the buildings on earth in the halo 2 trailer look very similiar 2 forerunner architecture on halo?
They have the same kind of panneling and geometric design.
Also the doors in the tunnel on the e3 demo are almost the same as the big blast doors on halo.
Maybe Humans are the fore runners, and maybe the whole thing is a -blam!-en and the egg paradox where we build the rings from the data collected on halo in the future, but once built they exist throughout all of time.
That would explain the whole human forerunner thing and when they were built.


I think that you are on to something. i once read an interview of someone at bungie and he was talking about how they were making a concious effort to design the style of the human and covie tech. He described the human things as having an over all look of hard edges and angles. The covies are suppose to look more curilinear and organic. Despite the covies copying all the forerunner technology, human tech (buildings, warthog, chief's armor) all look more similar to the forerunner. Another connection?

The chief somehow knew automatically how to opperate the forerunner tech on the halo. Perhaps this other evidence of similar building is a subconcious thing that comes out of the humans because of some connection to the forerunners. We are them or we are the children of them. Its all unclear at this point in time.

  • 04.19.2004 11:38 AM PDT
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There is no way the Forerunners could be human because why would they want to kill themselves. Humans/covies would be the food and they would just kill themselves off.
Doesn't make any sense.

  • 04.19.2004 11:38 AM PDT
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Easy bro, relax!

From what we know now, everything leeds (for me at least) to the point that it dosent look like they going to inlighten us with the whole story in just one more game.It has such a potensial (in a big monay way as well) that it seems hardly possible to squise it ALL in one last effort!
They better make the best of it and make many sequals!!!
They cant just make people this addictive without foloing it through.

Right?

  • 04.19.2004 11:44 AM PDT
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I'd also like to ask these questions: will destoying the halo ring come back to haunt us in the future? We never set it off so we don't exactly know what it will do or how it actually works. Cortana has never explained what see knows about the forerunners and the halo. Also, If we are the forerunners, why would we build such a thing that would totally wipe us out? Why we ( if we are the forerunners) also want to contain the flood and keep it alive. Is the flood useful in some way? Why did the forerunners include a habital enviroment on a place that was meant to hold a very dangerous species? If the halo rings had been fired before for the purpose killing the flood's food, why was the flood still contained safely within it? Theories anyone?

  • 04.19.2004 11:50 AM PDT
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Easy bro, relax!

If they live in slipstream this would not effect them.I dont think your questions will be answered fulli in halo 2 BECAUSE they HAVE to make a sequal. *BAM* *HINT HINT BUNGIE*

  • 04.19.2004 11:51 AM PDT
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I read recently at http://halo.bungie.org (#1 in the hood 'G'!) that there is specualtion that the forerunners are a for of acncient AI that went rampant. There were quite a few arguments to back this up and the one that I likes the most is the one that stated that the 343GS tells the MC that if he '..continues this behavior, he will deactivate him' or something along those lines. The monitor would only say this because he was programmed to deactivate any malfuntioning forerunner, and also...........why else do you think he was called the 'Monitor'? He was there to watch out for the forerunners and make sure they were kept in line. Apparently the forerunners went extinct or maybe just moved on to another Halo (of which I'm sure we will see in #2). Has anyone seen the movie Contact? Nuff said. Ah yeah...343GS also calls MC the Reclaimer. He thnks the MC is an artificial life form forerunner that has been sent to HALO to re-claim it for the extinct Forerunners. I'd say the MCs MJOLNIR armor has a bit to do with this deduction. Anyhow...reply if you want. I'd like to hear what you have toi say about this.

  • 04.19.2004 11:52 AM PDT
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Well, I know Robster. but its fun to hypothesize about things. I think that we will get a lot of answers in Halo 2 but not all of them. I'm sure they will want to keep the series going. Remember though, usually answers only open up more questions.

  • 04.19.2004 11:54 AM PDT
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Easy bro, relax!

Just because no sentient would have the chance to develope as long as the flood roam the universe.(wel rather start over again then never have this possebilety)

  • 04.19.2004 11:56 AM PDT
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i always saw halo as a trilogy. who knows though, I don't see halo ending in 2 games though. i think they're old old humans because it would be cool...

  • 04.19.2004 12:00 PM PDT
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Easy bro, relax!

hehe, your right about that dude. So do YOU think they could squise it ALL in one more game? ( i wont draw it of topic after this one) ;)

  • 04.19.2004 12:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: solja637
I read recently at http://halo.bungie.org (#1 in the hood 'G'!) that there is specualtion that the forerunners are a for of acncient AI that went rampant. There were quite a few arguments to back this up and the one that I likes the most is the one that stated that the 343GS tells the MC that if he '..continues this behavior, he will deactivate him' or something along those lines. The monitor would only say this because he was programmed to deactivate any malfuntioning forerunner, and also...........why else do you think he was called the 'Monitor'? He was there to watch out for the forerunners and make sure they were kept in line. Apparently the forerunners went extinct or maybe just moved on to another Halo (of which I'm sure we will see in #2). Has anyone seen the movie Contact? Nuff said. Ah yeah...343GS also calls MC the Reclaimer. He thnks the MC is an artificial life form forerunner that has been sent to HALO to re-claim it for the extinct Forerunners. I'd say the MCs MJOLNIR armor has a bit to do with this deduction. Anyhow...reply if you want. I'd like to hear what you have toi say about this.


Being that there are lots of time travel talk, Cortana is an AI. Perhaps she is the first forerunner if they are AI's. She has copies herself and kinda went rampant on the attack of the Unyeilding Hierophant in First strike. She also encountered on the Ascendent Justice a covie AI that was "strange" Perhaps the one on the ascendant Justice was a forerunner AI that has gotten out of hand/ and or into covie hands? I'm not sure where I'm going whith this. Its hard to describe what I'm thinking.

  • 04.19.2004 12:02 PM PDT
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I think that it's safe to say that 343GS snagged his little self a sample of Flood DNA and when he flew the coup, he plans to distibute that on the other HALO...or Earth....to carry on the Forerunners research. I mean c'mon, the forerunenrs must have been really stuck on the idea of the flood for some damn reason or why in the hell would they have built such a massive facility with such advanced technology just to study the Flood? The Flood serve more than one purpose I'm sure of and 343GS is going to bring them to our homefront. Flood get released on Earth in the middle of the Covie/Human holy war. We unite to wipe out the Flood, destroy the GS, and for a mutual aliance of peace and understanding that the forerunners forsaw happening. Wouldn't it be funny if the forerunners were playing us and the covies like a hand of cards and the flood were their trump. The forerunners were peaceful I'd say, and they knew of the amnesty between humans and the covenant, so they devised this twisted plan to unite us. Only Bungie could pull this off if it were so.....Bungie and Squaresoft I'd say. Final Fnatasy: HALO!

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Prehaps the Forerunners are ancient, highly-evolved humans that created the Halo rings and contained the Flood, as a weapon to combat the ancient Covenant ancestors in a war began millenia ago? This would explain why Cortanna knows about the Forerunner and Halo's systems so well. She might be the remnant of ancient human (Forerunner) AI constructs.

Let's presume that the ancient Covenant worshipped a ring much like Halo, but not a Halo containing the Flood. The Forerunner humans could have created fake rings and sent it to the ancient Covenant homeworld, as a "Trojan horse". When the Covenant discovered them, they would open it and the Flood would destroy all Covenant on the planet, ending the war. The ring discovered in the game could have been a wandering off-course ring that both sides had completly forgotten about. everyone except Cortanna, of course.

  • 04.19.2004 12:04 PM PDT
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Hello Tartatus!!! I think the forerunners is in a another part of the galaxy,one of the other halo's or their homeworld's!

  • 04.19.2004 12:06 PM PDT
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Great deduction Tartarus! When I read your post, I thought this: Cortana knows what happens in the future between the Covenant and the Humans and the Flood. The evacuates HALO of all other Forerunner AI to the secondary HALO and travels into the future to intercept MC and us him as a tool to reconcile the wrong that would happen if GS had activated HALO. Or maybe the future cannot be averted and she is acting as Bruce Willis did in 12 Monkeys. get the sample and dip. I dunno....nice thoughts though, man.

  • 04.19.2004 12:08 PM PDT
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No, the only way Cortanna knows about the forerunners is because she was downloaded into the Halo Systems Mainframe that contained all the information they needed to know to destroy it and learn about specific locations. And the thought of Cortanna having to do with the covenant and the forerunners is ubsurd...its treason.

  • 04.19.2004 12:16 PM PDT
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why does 343 knows MC and why does 343 asks him why his armor isnt upgraded yet(he says somthing along those lines) But what is realy odd is why does the MC just suddenly understand how to use the controles on halo. Its almost as if he remembers the controles.

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  • 04.19.2004 12:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: solja637
Great deduction Tartarus! When I read your post, I thought this: Cortana knows what happens in the future between the Covenant and the Humans and the Flood. The evacuates HALO of all other Forerunner AI to the secondary HALO and travels into the future to intercept MC and us him as a tool to reconcile the wrong that would happen if GS had activated HALO. Or maybe the future cannot be averted and she is acting as Bruce Willis did in 12 Monkeys. get the sample and dip. I dunno....nice thoughts though, man.


I don'y think that Cortana is really form another time. Remember in the books she was an AI made by Dr. Hassley, the mother of the Spartan program. Cortana was actually made resembeling Dr. Hassely's mind, thus Cortana was the most advanced AI ever made by humans.

Another theory if AIs are forerunners: what if the forerunners created all sentient life in the universe? And also it has been mentioned they have some kind of checks and balances sytem with 343 guilty spark. Perhaps they created some kind of check if their sentient life experiement got out of control. That would be the flood. Then when the flood got out of control and threatened their sentient life, they fired the ring, reseting the wole universe? If they have the capabilty of time travel, then they wouldn't care about reseting the universe because a million years to them wouldn't be any different that 1 second. Ai would aslo not be affected by a weapon that killed only living beings.

  • 04.19.2004 12:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mr_Trick
No, the only way Cortanna knows about the forerunners is because she was downloaded into the Halo Systems Mainframe that contained all the information they needed to know to destroy it and learn about specific locations. And the thought of Cortanna having to do with the covenant and the forerunners is ubsurd...its treason.


I wouldn't trust cortana at this point in time. I like her but she knows things now about the forerunners that no one else knows which gives her power. she has shut down many of her safety protocols at different times as well and she kinda acts glitchy at points in time. She is the most intelligent AI ever made and really thats dangerous.

  • 04.19.2004 12:22 PM PDT

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I like the Time travel idea actualy.


You mean my idea. I thought up the time travel thing and posted it on these forums days ago. I'm going to read through this monster of a thread, and if I find out someone else took the credit for my theory, I'm going to be pissed.

  • 04.19.2004 12:24 PM PDT
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Easy bro, relax!

theres two sides of this coin and i would rather think that AI`s are tools off the forerunners while them selves are living in an continuem slip stream as their tech allows them to stay threre.this would then protect them against the use of the rings power.in mean while AI`s like GS IS doing their dirty work.*

  • 04.19.2004 12:27 PM PDT